OT: Detroit Pistons Trade for Marvin Bagley
February 10th, 2022 at 12:54 PM ^
Per the Freep:
Pistons are sending Josh Jackson and Trey Lyles to the Kings, along with multiple second-round picks to the Milwaukee Bucks, the Free Press has confirmed. The Pistons are trading the lower pick between Golden State and Cleveland's second-rounder in 2023, and Sacramento's second-rounder in 2024.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:12 PM ^
Wait. The Pistons are sending the Kings their own second round pick back? I sure do love NBA trades.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^
No, the picks go to the Bucks and the players to the Kings.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:37 PM ^
Ahhhhh. It is still amusing the way teams trade their future draft picks. Didn't the Blazers get a 2027 pick yesterday?
February 10th, 2022 at 1:00 PM ^
Not that I follow the Pistons much (a distant 4th to the Tigers, Wings, and Loins in the Detroit professional sports pecking order), but who are they likely to target in the draft?
Right now they're dead last in the entire NBA, so I hope the acquisition of Bagley doesn't potentially hurt them in the draft this summer.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:08 PM ^
Bagley is a former #2 pick who hasn't exactly panned out, but still has tons of potential, so this is a good move since Lyles/Jackson most definitely aren't a part of future plans. Worth taking the flyer on a guy like Bagley for what they're parting with.
Draft would largely depend on where they fall in the lottery. If they can get a guy like Holmgren, have to imagine he's the dude. If not, it'd still probably be a well-rounded front court player who has a shot.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:12 PM ^
There is no obvious #1 pick. There are 3 maybe 4 options. So just staying in the bottom 3 in the standings would likely work.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
I watched the end of the Arkansas/Auburn game (OT, which interrupted the Michigan game) and they said one of the Auburn players was a top 3 pick.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:33 PM ^
Yes, Smith. The new hot thing.
Also Holmgren, Banchero, Sharpe and even Ivey
February 10th, 2022 at 3:24 PM ^
He is a turd.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:32 PM ^
Can I please get a citation for authority for that claim?
February 10th, 2022 at 1:11 PM ^
I am hoping Ivey. That would give them a damn fine backcourt(and a very young one to boot). But, I like Holmgren, Smith or Banchero as well. The Stones are in a position where it is tough to fail and the future looks bright.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^
I think Smith is clear number one. Who else does Auburn have that's going to be drafted high? Smith is the reason they are currently ranked number one.
February 10th, 2022 at 5:30 PM ^
I think Banchero will be considered a bust if he's a top 5 pick. He will likely be a solid contributing pro because of his size and athleticism, but he's not going to be a team's #1 or #2 option...or maybe even third. I don't think his game is NBA friendly. What's more, I doubt he's going to be able to cover smaller and quicker guys on the perimeter, and if he's on the blocks, he will have to work his ass off against bigger players. Not sure the guy has a much higher ceiling than he does now. If he can improve his outside shot and consistently hit the 3 in a few years, then he can reach his ceiling...but I just don't see it.
February 11th, 2022 at 12:07 AM ^
Ivey is so stinking strong going to the bucket. He is a load to guard. Not sure how his shooting will be in the NBA, but if he gets any momentum downhill he's got you. Reminds me a bit of Ja Morant. Obviously Ja's explosiveness is in a tier of its own but Ivey has some serious springs.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:17 PM ^
No impact, in fact it could make them worse for a bit given his defensive liabilities...
February 10th, 2022 at 3:25 PM ^
He is a poop ball.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:19 PM ^
I think its between Holmgren and Paolo Banchero depending on where the pieces all fall.
edit: Whats smaller than a string bean? A Chet Holmgren
February 10th, 2022 at 1:25 PM ^
If the Pistons were to get the #1 pick, I'd bet very heavily on Jabari Smith.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:51 PM ^
I would love that actually - I doubt they get #1 but they should get at least the 3rd pick. I am not a fan of Holmgren in the NBA.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:10 PM ^
I feel like Holmgrem has freakish size, abilities that could thrive in the NBA. But i said the same about Darko, so......
February 10th, 2022 at 2:17 PM ^
I'm not bullish on Chet's unicorn potential but am fascinated to see what becomes of him. On the other hand, I'm also not crazy about Ivey's potential to be anything more than the 3rd banana on a 2nd round playoff team. So I'd probably close my eyes and roll the dice on Chet with the 3rd overall.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:56 PM ^
Jabari has a Derrick Coleman vibe to his game, plus they look similar in orange.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:22 PM ^
As long as the Pistons stay among the bottom 3, it shouldn't affect their lottery odds of lading a top 3 pick in what I'd say is a 3 player draft (Jabari Smith, Banchero, Holmgren). And Bagley certainly isn't going to move that needle so rest easy lol.
I really like the pick up. The Pistons are in need of a 5 who can attack the rim from the PIR and protect the rim at the other end. Bagley has been a huge disappointment but a chunk of that sentiment is due to the Kings' idiocy of picking him over Luka, and injuries, neither of which are his fault. His play has still been underwhelming relative to his evaluation as a prospect, but that's what made him available and a perfect target for a team like Detroit. Young, talented, reclamation project with upside at a position of need. Also relatively cheap with a contract that's up at the end of this year. He gets to audition for half season and if it pans out they can extend him, if it doesn't they didn't give up any pieces that were part of the future blueprint.
February 10th, 2022 at 4:24 PM ^
No one will know who the Pistons are targeting in the draft until the lottery takes place. If they finish last, they will pick anywhere from #1 to #5. They'd have almost a 50% chance of getting the 5th pick. I'd think they'd prefer a scoring guard or a big be the best player available when it's their turn.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:06 PM ^
This is actually a pretty good value if he gets on the floor with no issues
February 10th, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^
I was just thinking that Bagley was the missing piece. And they do this.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:42 PM ^
How would you feel about thinking Michigan will win a national title next year and/or me winning the Powerball jackpot?
February 10th, 2022 at 1:12 PM ^
I like him but he’s always hurt. Hopefully there is a good big or wing to take in the draft to pair with Cunningham.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^
Been here 7 years and this is your 1st comment? Solid self-control and interesting choice.
Feels like all of the Detroit sports are building some momentum forward at the same time after years of not competing much. Fingers crossed.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:59 PM ^
I love the Pistons! But I usually don’t have anything unique to say. It is generally always covered. And I’m always late to the party.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:26 PM ^
He doesn't play any defense either.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:16 PM ^
His agent made some news calling out the Kings for limiting his usage. Here's what the Pistons are left with:
- $14m QO for next season if he starts 18 of the 25 remaining games
- $7m QO if that number is any lower
A solid flier I'd say, you never know what a change of scenery might do. Especially when you're drafted to be a difference maker, becoming a role player is real tough in the same city.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^
NOT JOSH, DAMMIT! I LOVE JOSH!
February 10th, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^
What about Grant?
Not that he's a bad player, he just doesn't fit with the team right now. Bey and Cunningham play worse when he's on the floor.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^
Can't argue with you there, but there's no rush to move Grant unless they get an outstanding offer.. Its a lost season any way and Grant's trade value probably isn't going to fluctuate much from where it is now. Take some more time to evaluate how they all fit together, see where they fall in the draft, then decide whether to move Bey or Grant over the summer.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^
Detroit sports are so awful. I can't remember it ever being this bad.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^
They are now, all but one, on the upswing. That is easy to say because they all are or were last year, the worst or second worst teams in their leagues. I actually think the Red Wings, Tigers, and Pistons are on the right track. The Lions....are the Lions and will probably on their own track until the end of time.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:50 PM ^
Define upswing?
February 10th, 2022 at 1:56 PM ^
On a trajectory to do better in the future than their current, and immediate past, performance.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^
But that's not important now.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:03 PM ^
It was far worse a few years ago. I actually have hope for all 4 Detroit franchises right now, something I havent said in awhile. Record wise, yeah, all teams are really bad right now. But all of these franchises in the last few seasons made the necessary step of bottoming out.
The Wings and Pistons in particular did their absolute best to stay mediocre fighting for an 8 seed as long as possible. To me that is worse than where they are right now. Bad contracts and vets on the downswing have been replaced by young talent with an actual hopeful future. I think its going to be a fun 5 years in Detroit sports as these teams start to mature and compete.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:41 PM ^
You're not paying attention then.
Stevie Y inherited practically no legitimate NHL talent other than Dylan Larkin and has found enough pieces to actually have the Red Wings in contention for one of the last few playoff slots. No, probably not a Cup contender until 2023 at the earliest and sorely lacking a head coach and goalie, but definitely trending ⬆️.
The Tigers, too, are rapidly improving. As dismal as they were the last five seasons, they took a big leap forward last season and added a couple more key pieces this winter in the off-season in Javier Baez and pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez. We'll see top prospects Riley Greene (he's ready now!) and Spencer Torkelson (likely by June---maybe earlier) cracking the starting lineup. There's more raw talent right now in the farm system than the Tigers have had in many many years.
February 10th, 2022 at 10:58 PM ^
2023?? Pass me some of what you’re smoking.
It’s the center position that’s most lacking, not goalie. Hoping the Yzerplan catches a break with some lottery luck and we grab a front line center this time. (Top two overall, most likely.)
Left D is not good … yet. Help is coming, as long as it pans out.
February 10th, 2022 at 11:08 PM ^
To quote myself, "2023
at the earliest".
I know, reading is hard.
February 10th, 2022 at 11:14 PM ^
Yeah, but that’s like saying the Pistons could contend in 2023 at the earliest.
No, they can’t. In either case.
I know, actually knowing something before posting on it is hard.
February 10th, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^
And what is so hard to understand about those 3 words "...at the earliest"? I didn't say next season (2022) nor did I say DEFINITELY the following season (2023), I said "2023 at the earliest".
Not to mention that "contending for" doesn't mean "winning" the Cup.
I've been a Wings fan, BTW, since the days of Gordie, Alex Delvecchio, Norm Ullman, Frank and Pete Mahovlich, Terry Sawchuck, Roger Crozier, Gary Bergman, and Garry Unger. Almost as long as I've been a Tigers fan.
But no, I don't know anything, says the one who can't read.
February 10th, 2022 at 10:56 PM ^
You'd have to go all the way back to last year!
February 10th, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^
Pretty much a zero downside trade here for the Pistons. Bagley has been stuck in Sactown and needed a new scene to improve much. He may be a long shot to get significantly better to ever justify his #2 draft pick, but he still has a lot of potential. I don't think he is going to improve Detroit enough this year to make them too much better and risk losing out on one of the top draft slots.
February 10th, 2022 at 1:49 PM ^
Although it's probably worthy of its own OT thread, Woj and others are reporting Harden for Simmons. The East just got SUPER interesting.
