OT: Detroit Pistons Trade for Marvin Bagley
As per NBA insider Shams Charania:
Four team deal. Looks like we are giving up T. Lyles and J. Jackson.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^
I think both teams will be happier though I don't have any idea how much they've actually improved. Like, on paper you'd think Philly with Harden is more dangerous but Harden has felt broken for most of the year and I'm not sure how well he'll work with Embiid.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:11 PM ^
Fair points. That said, the Sixers weren't playing with Simmons, but the Nets were (sort of) playing with Harden. Assuming Simmons petulance was never going to end, Simmons was never going to play another game; therefore, the Sixers are easily a better team today than they were yesterday.
I think Simmons could thrive in Brooklyn, but they'll need to re-arrange their roster and rotation. Kyrie, Simmons, and Seth Curry will be an impossible fit at the same time on the floor. My guess is that Curry will come off the bench when the Nets are on the road.
February 10th, 2022 at 4:42 PM ^
It'll be interesting seeing Simmons trying to figure out his somewhat broken game while the Nets have to shift lineups between home and road games. They're no guarantee to make it out of the play-in tournament as it is.
February 10th, 2022 at 7:49 PM ^
Kyrie and Simmons are a couple of unique dudes. I’m more interested in how their locker room will mesh more so than their floor games. Kyrie will be like, “I only play away games” and Simmons can be like, “hold my beer. You should’ve seen me in Philly this year...”.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:09 PM ^
This trade of superstars is one where nobody got obviously better post-trade. Obviously, its too early to call winners/losers, but its just an odd trade of a player who has all D and no O for a guy who has a reputation for being all O and no D.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^
Bagley was my favorite player in his draft class after Ayton (I liked Doncic but didn't think he would become white LeBron, and still think Young is just a super-scorer on a bad team), but was amazed how poorly he panned out so far - a combo of only having 1 good hand and injuries/attitude.
I could see him flourishing in Detroit - even if he never reaches his potential.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:27 PM ^
This isn't as big of news as James Harden going to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Andre Drummond, and two future first round picks.
It will be interesting to see if Simmons is truly a head case or if a change of scenery will help him. That's a load to give up for Harden.
February 10th, 2022 at 2:53 PM ^
I don't know if I agree that it is a "load." Simmons was never playing again for the Sixers, per him. Drummond is a solid backup Center at this time in his career. He really only plays about 15 mins/game when Embiid is in the lineup. The Nets probably will start Drummond, so there's more value for them, but Drummond doesn't represent a "load." The future 1st-round picks will likely be in the high 20's. Seth Curry has been banged up all year. But even if he was healthy, Harden would be taking most of his minutes. A "load" would have been if the Sixers included Maxey and/or Thybulle.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:32 PM ^
There is a ton of over valued players involved in most NBA trades. Each team giving their problems to the other and hoping it will work in a different setting.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:42 PM ^
I agree. Not sure if I would call this a load, but it's a lot of big name talent. Having said that, I think this is a deal that works for both. James Harden makes the Sixers much better than the guys they gave up and will help Embiid so much more by forcing defenses to deal with Harden. Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see if the two Australians, Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving decide they actually want to play. They are both fantastic if they get their heads straight.
February 10th, 2022 at 3:17 PM ^
Your cousin, Marvin Berry?
February 10th, 2022 at 3:20 PM ^
This was the first thing that popped into my head when I heard about the trade
February 10th, 2022 at 11:13 PM ^
Marvin Bagley's cousin, Chuck Bagley?
I remember him, I've always loved his biggest hit song Roll Over Tchaikovsky.
February 10th, 2022 at 4:22 PM ^
Picked ahead of doncic. Such a kings move