Then he'd be giving up so much of his competitive advantage. This cannot stand!
Why is this “LOL”? I know many on here think that he cheats, but is there any evidence of this?
Yes, Jim Hackett said that he Clemson offered $100,000 to Rashan Gary (and he almost took it). Was that Swinney offering him the money? Probably not, but don't tell me he doesn't know this is happening.
And Dabo admitted after the National Championship game that Clemson gave their players steroids. To me, that is 1000x worse than NCAA rule violations.
First off... someone saying something is not evidence. Well, now days it seems to be.
second off....If this was true, why didn’t Gary take it since he seemed to be hard up for money?
If someone saying something isn't evidence, what exactly do you think the purpose of witnesses in a case is?
Sometimes when someone says something...it might be a lie.
Jim Hackett was lying? What was his motive?
I mean in the general sense. I have no idea if Hackett is lying or not.
Dude - stop. You are fighting a ridiculous fight. There is a lot of evidence that Clemson and Dabo are dirty, including Dabo admitting that Clemson gave their players banned substances.
But, they are smart, if you are going to cheat, then you better win and become too big to fail. And they have won and the NCAA won’t do shit because it would be too big of a black eye for the sport.
Again, it was a general statement. I don't see how that is not clear. Somebody making a claim does not make it true.
I could care less about Dabo. Bagman operations usually involve boosters and businesses and what not, not direct involvement from coaches, unless you are U of A and LSU.
Jim was known to be liar who made up wild accusations about others on a regular basis. That's why he's so well liked and has such a great reputation.
Also its ridiculous to assert that the guy whose players were barred from the title game for using banned substances in a sport that is riddled with well-known corruption involving paying players under the table could *possibly* be involved in anything like this unless you have personaly watched him hand a bag to a recruit and raise his eyebrows suggestively to imply that this money is for commitment.
Rashan and his mom did not refute Hackett's words as a lie.
Were they asked about it?
The basketball coaches got wiretapped and said they wish they could hide it as well as their football team does
Yeah, it's sort of crazy that Dabo basically gets name-checked by an assistant coach on the basketball team for how good he is using the "resources" at Clemson, who then gets fired shortly thereafter, and we all sorta shrug our shoulders.
Dabo is dirty, has been dirty for a long time, and no amount of gauzy segments on Gameday and hollow testimonials about his faith will cover that up.
Amen to this.
What you did there... I see it.
Of course it's evidence! It may be contradicted by other evidence. It may not be conclusive. But it's still evidence. And, if unrebutted, it could even be sufficient. Plus in the world on the internet tubes, we aren't in a position to actually have a trial.
Coach from the same program/school saying something damaging about the school is credible evidence. You don't need a law degree to figure that out.
Everyone uses steroids. Dabo was just taking the heat for it, they'll have their players take steroids in the summer and right after the season when coaches aren't around as much so they can have plausible deniability. But they all support it.
Cmon, they weren’t using steroids. It’s all SARMS and research chemicals these days ;)
I'm not smart enough to know shit about science. I just know that it happens frequently. And the coaches don't encourage it, but they certainly don't condone it.
I can tell you for a fact that Clemson offered him 100k plus some saucy benefits. He did almost take it. But I'll leave it at that.
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IDK if we want to be citing references that also discuss Avenatti or whatever his name is funnelling funds to our program, among others, dating back to 2000. You know, back in the days when we ran shit until Jim freaking Tressel closed off all of our Ohio 'resources'
No idea what you're talking about for the most part, I can tell you it happened. This is a fact. Rashan Gary also visited Ole Miss while Hugh Freeze was there. So connect the dots.
Give me the link where Hackett was so specific that he named names and dollar amounts. I'm pretty sure you are fabricating that story.
$100,000.00??? Rashan has a lot of character to refuse that! Are his parents rich? One hundred grand, man no wonder Clemson and Alabama land so many recruits. Now Georgia is probably getting into it. Pretty soon we're gonna be talking about some REAL money...
No Rashan came from a less than ideal background. He was raised by his single mother, who I may add is one of the most wonderful people ever. But let's just say character isnt why he refused it.
When does someone refuse money if it's not character based?
First off, taking situation changing money at 18 doesnt make someone have poor character.
Second of all, I never said he refused money, I said he turned down Clemson's offer.
Lets be fair and make clear distinctions...did "Clemson" offer Rashan Gary $100,000 or did a booster / supporter offer Gary $100,000?
If Clemson offered Gary $100,000, then they are spending millions of dollars on recruiting in 2020 because there class is RIDICULOUS. If Clemson is this dirty no worries. Eventually they will get caught if they are as reckless as many claim and their titles will be stripped and Dabo will be relegated to disgraced obscurity.
Clemson offered it to him. Probably paid out by a booster because the coaches sure as hell aint sacrificing their own money. Especially not when they don't have to. But the coaches usually know what they're able to offer and to whom. A lot of them will also offer up cars, because of how ridiculously easy it is to justify. I'd like to reiterate my point that some people have misconstrued, Clemson 100% cheats, and is definitely pretty good at it. But it's not why they're recruiting like gangbusters. Because they're not even the highest paying school in state.
But FYI, they'll never get caught and they'll never face serious ramifications unless something so blatantly terribly stupid happens, a la Laramy Tunsil. Because the NCAA doesn't want their programs to be clean, they want them to appear clean. No titles will ever be stripped, and Dabo will go down as one of the greatest coaches of all time. I mean, probably already a better coach than Urban Meyer, no? And he's doing it at a school with way higher degrees of difficulty.
Outside of Saban, what other coaches in the last few decades would you rather have than Dabo? Tom Osborne? Maybe Urban? Maybe Pete Carroll? Maybe Bobby Bowden and Jimmy Johnson?
The FBI has a Clemson basketball coach on wiretap talking about paying players and saying that they would take care of Zion like the football teams takes care of their players. Insinuating making payments.
Forget the cheating.
He just signed a nearly 9 figure contract to coach a sport that would "lose" him if the players were paid legally.
I find his position laughable.
Clemson has always cheated and always will.
I’m not sure he understand the irony of his use of “professionalizing”.
Coming from the guy who makes $9 million per year to coach “amateur” athletics.
Yep. And , like all major programs, sell their ability to develop players for the nfl.
Develop"" as in feed them steroids?
If any piece of the pie goes to the players, the coaches and University have to give up their slices.
Won’t somebody please think of these poor coaches and Universities!
Dont forget all the employees at the conference offices that do valuable work for society like....well, I guess they dont do much besides count money.
Allowing players to market their image solves this perceived problem.
The only person LOLing right now is Dabo Fucking Swinney:
https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
Four five star recruits already. Jesus Christ!
But would he have gotten those players if everyone could pay as much as him or possibly even more?
How does any self respecting person take money from a man who publicly is against you having the right to be paid for your work lmao
I think most people will take hundreds of thousands of dollars and a shot at their life’s dream of playing in the NFL (with the possibility of making millions) over self-righteousness.
Dabo realizes that if above board pay is allowed, Clemson won't be able to keep up with the real money powers - like us.
He survives on Michigan and ND's salary cap being $0.00.
Clemson's entire school endowment is around $740MM. Alsbama's is around $900MM . ND is around $13B and UM's is around $12B. Even though most of that can't be touched for athletics, a lot of these shitty schools that are good at football rely so heavily on this uneven playing field.
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