OSU (YTOSU) G/F Roddy Gayle commits to Michigan

Submitted by MH20 on April 22nd, 2024 at 10:27 AM

OSU transfer Roddy Gayle announced his commitment to Dusty May's program this morning. Seems like there was a planned rollout of commitments, starting with Pippen and Jones on Friday, Wolf on Saturday, and Donaldson on Sunday.

Things are coming together nicely for Dusty May and company!

MH20

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:31 AM ^

Seems like there was a planned rollout of commitments, starting with Pippen and Jones on Friday, Wolf on Saturday, and Donaldson on Sunday.

Hopefully this means Goldin drops either later today or Tuesday!

Then get Mahaney out of Omaha without a commitment (he posted Sunday on Instagram that he was there) and bring him to A2 and close the deal.

maizenblue92

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:36 AM ^

But I was told that Michigan could never get a transfer player without admissions shooting them down and that NIL was so bad that no one would be interested anyway. 

Kevin14

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:45 AM ^

What's up with admissions?  Donaldson will have two full years at Auburn, Gayle will have two at OSU, and Wolf two at Yale. 

I thought it was basically guys with one year of experience or grad transfers that could get through admissions?  I believe that was because generic courses transferred but any major-specific course likely didn't.  I guess it's possible they mostly took generic courses for two years, but seems a little unlikely.

mwolverine1

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:51 AM ^

2 is possible, and trends on likely if the player is willing to give up some academic progress.

You need 48 credits completed after 2 years to be eligible to play. Michigan will accept up to 60, and most people will have finished ~64 by that time. If there are any issues with getting to 48, you have the summer to make up any differences.

There will only be an issue if a player has taken a large number of remedial or otherwise non-transferable classes (such as esoteric seminars). The big problems for upperclassmen (transferring 3/400 level courses and hitting the 60 credit transfer limit) usually aren't issues for sophomores.

OuldSod

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:59 AM ^

I'll add that almost every athetlete can get admitted. We use "admissions" to simplify it but the truth is people are admitted without looking at the credits, and then a counselor from that college looks at credits and calls the potential transfer to discuss.

The issue with a jr or sr transfer is they can be admitted, but:

  1. They will need to retake so many credits (as they need 60 to graduate at Michigan) that their eligibility and scholarship will expire before they can get a degree. 
  2. They could have insufficient progress towards their degree and run into NCAA eligibility issues.

A sophomore with 60 credits will probably get 50 accepted, maybe more. They will need to retake freshman English if in LSA. A Jr with 75 credits only gets 60 accepted, etc. UM requires 60 credits at the University to graduate (plus a certain amount 300/400). That's an entire extra semester to eventually graduate - that may not be covered by scholarship. Some other schools require 45 or 30 credits at their school (much easier to graduate on time and maybe also get a master's degree).

ST3

April 22nd, 2024 at 11:12 AM ^

What is special about freshman English?

Speaking from personal experience, 30+ years ago, I transferred 3 trimester courses from MSU to UofM. I received some credits, so that was nice. 3+ years into my UofM studies, the college reviewed the syllabi of the MSU course and the equivalent UofM course, decided that the MSU course was lacking something and docked me a credit. This was so late in the game that I had to stay an extra semester in undergrad. I ended up transferring all but 1 of those final semester credits to grad school, but it was kind of a bummer.

Quailman

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:52 AM ^

I don't think anything has super changed. The staff is just doing due diligence a d targeting the right guys.

Sophs have always been in the Frosh/Grads bucket of getting in. Under 60 credits is doable, as is having a degree already. 

Remember, it's about earning a UM degree mainly, not that their grades aren't good enough. 

maizenblue92

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:57 AM ^

It looks like it wasn't nearly the barrier we were led to believe. After watching 3 weeks of the Dusty May tenure we should be retroactively much angrier about the Juwan Howard tenure. It appears that while admissions is a hurdle, it's not the brick wall we thought it was and NIL while not like Kansas/Kentucky, is also not funded by Iraqi Dinars like we were basically told. 

The job requires effort and May has been an A+ there and by the reports a stark contrast from the lacking effort of Juwan and that should make people angry. If you try and fail, sometimes that just happens, but to barely try is so maddening. 

jmblue

April 22nd, 2024 at 12:10 PM ^

The narrative that admissions was making it impossible to succeed was always hard to swallow when our football program won a national title while facing the same standards.  

In retrospect, hiring a coach who had no college experience at all (other than as a player) was a bad idea.  Communicating with admissions is one of a number of things that simply don’t exist in the pros. I don’t think we’re going to run into too many more Shannon/Love-type situations.

funkywolve

April 22nd, 2024 at 12:59 PM ^

Yeah, not only did they win the NC they had a lot of transfers who contributed - Wallace, Hausman, Stewart, Tuttle, Barner, the kicker (Tucker?), Hinton, Nugent, Henderson.

Harbaugh had figured out how to make the portal/transfers work.  For whatever reason, Juwan struggled.

HarBooYa

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:42 AM ^

I think the last two spots will be the difference.  If we get Goldin and another big fish, could be really interesting. Without him and maybe another piece, I think it will still be a solid transition team to a more stable program (early Zak and Stu days anyone?).  Going to be competitive and much less consistently painful to watch though, so there is a positive!

HarBooYa

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:38 AM ^

Sounds like from that 24/7 article that he is to be in that FAU Davis role and shoots pretty well from beyond arc.  Another player trending in the right direction.  Bet he is one of our top 3 scorers next year.  Love it.

Goldin next and we are looking at a pretty amazing overhaul.

Kevin14

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:48 AM ^

He was 28% from three last year, but he was 43% as a freshman.  For his career, he's a 33% shooter (he took more last year).  I think there's a chance he settles into a mid-30% shooter on primarily catch and shoot threes.  I don't think he'll be a knockdown shooter though.

Michigan4Life

April 22nd, 2024 at 10:53 AM ^

He shot 83% in FT so there's upside. Plus, he played with a wrist injury on his shooting hand which complicates things in shooting and ball handling. He lost confidence in shooting, but I'm confident that he can shoot in the high 30s to low 40s with more volume. 

He shot 60% at the rim and can defend. This is a good pick up for Michigan. 

MGoBlue96

April 22nd, 2024 at 12:01 PM ^

Pretty damn impressive what May has done with the roster given the smoldering crater it was, definitely tournament bid is not out the question at all now if Goldin comes and depending on how well the pieces gel.

1VaBlue1

April 22nd, 2024 at 12:36 PM ^

The whole 'gel' thing is the big question at this point.  If they do, it's (probably) back to the NCAA tourney.  My money says they do - everything we've seen from May says the guy wouldn't take a bunch of singular players.  Seems like he knows what he's looking for, and that those guys would all be looking for the same thing.

Sorta reminds me of how JmfH put together a roster after the 2020 debacle...