OSU Q: Young’s Ineligibility Cost them Games?
I have seen reports he will be suspended 4 games, upon appeal by OSU. If he was ineligible from the $$, shouldn’t OSU have to forfeit the games he played in? At the Hs level, if a player was ineligible for any reason, all games they participated in must be forfeited along with a fine per game. Anyone with deeper knowledge on the subject?
November 10th, 2019 at 8:02 AM ^
it should. They should have to forfeit all games they have won this year. The NCAA is a joke so not much will probably happen. His appeal will probably lower the suspension since he was "truthful and transparent".
November 10th, 2019 at 8:08 AM ^
Yep... The NCAA's hypocrisy will be on full display here. The 4-game suspension will be reduced to 2 games, maybe three because he just missed on before the appeal could be processed. There will be no other penalty because OSU is looking at the playoffs and the B1G hasn't been involved the last couple of years.
I'll be stunned if the suspension holds, let alone other games get vacated. Stunned, I tell you...
November 10th, 2019 at 8:13 AM ^
The question I have is if he didn't pick up the phone the minute the bowl game was over and tell the NCAA what he did, how can he be considered truthful and transparent?
November 10th, 2019 at 8:41 AM ^
You only have to be truthful and transparent AFTER you are caught to qualify for said designation.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
OSU has to forfeit games if it can be shown that they should have known Young was ineligible. That's a high bar that doesn't fit what's been in the news thus far.
November 10th, 2019 at 2:38 PM ^
It doesn't necessarily have to be proven that they knowingly played Young if it can be shown a lack of institutional control or knowledge; FSU had to forfeit a bunch of games a decade ago because of an academic scandal that involved a number of athletes across a number of teams, and I don't believe there was any direct proof that Bobby Bowden knew those kids were skipping class and faking papers. I agree it's unlikely the NCAA will actually punish them in this way, but who knows. The NCAA seems to be on a bit of a warpath recently.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:04 AM ^
If it were any other program, it would and it should. That would be a fitting end to their dream season. You can bet that would be the case it something like that happened over here.
As for truthful, many sources or pundits are saying it was an agent who forked over the $$ for GF. Hope there a lot more to come.
November 10th, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^
Meh.
Nothing will happen. People are acting as if t(tm)OSU had incorrectly counted stretching hours or committed a similar major ethical violation.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:19 AM ^
When the NCAA becomes involved, having deeper knowledge is of no benefit.
November 10th, 2019 at 10:04 AM ^
The NCAA won't make them forfeit anything (i.e., give the victory to the other team) but might make them vacate the wins (so the games have no winner).
November 10th, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^
“Truthful and transparent” of course meaning “admitted everything only after he got caught”.
November 10th, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^
Bless your hearts....
November 10th, 2019 at 8:07 AM ^
Not only will they not forfeit games, they will most likely reduce the suspension to 2 games.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:15 AM ^
Correct if I’m wrong, how is the situation different than Chris Webber accepting money and M had to forfeit wins and take down banners ?
November 10th, 2019 at 8:38 AM ^
We took down the banners on our own.
Banners are not an NCAA thing. Michigan could hang banners that say we are ten-time NBA champions if we felt like it.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:40 AM ^
I actually like this as a bit. Raise a banner after every NBA final declaring Michigan football NBA champs.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:43 AM ^
U of M didn't have to do that. They did it on their own. Bruce Madej said he actually invented the term "vacating" wins. It didn't exist before that. The NCAA would have been more than happy to ignore that situation like all the others. They probably figure if we're that damn stupid, we deserve whatever we get.
November 10th, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^
The NCAA definitely made teams vacate games/seasons before us. Maybe they used a different term but it certainly happened.
November 10th, 2019 at 6:20 PM ^
They used to forfeit games. It's ridiculous to forfeit a game you already played. That's why they vacate wins now.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:19 AM ^
Not only will they have to vacate their first eight games this year, they'll also have to vacate last year's Rose Bowl.
Not only will his suspension not be reduced on appeal, his college career will be over effective immediately.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:21 AM ^
You seem to have a lot of faith in the NCAA doing the right thing according to its very own rules book.
More faith than the rest of us have...
November 10th, 2019 at 9:07 AM ^
I'm in the I'll believe it when I see it camp.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:22 AM ^
It's funny when you say what actually should happen, and it sounds ridiculous because we all know how the NCAA works.
November 10th, 2019 at 10:30 AM ^
I certainly don’t see that shit happening. I think a Gameday feature about OSU “overcoming adversity” is a far more likely outcome.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:24 AM ^
Yes which means they are out of the division race. We need PSU to somehow lose 2 more games so we can win the division by beating the Suckeyes.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:33 AM ^
He will only be suspended for two games so back for the important ones. This is all a set up and was calculated
November 10th, 2019 at 8:41 AM ^
You are in the Bargaining Stage.
Just get it over with and move on to the Acceptance Stage: Michigan will face Young in The Game, and Ohio State will already have the Big Ten East championship locked up by the time they do.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:11 AM ^
Even so, a lose to a good but not great Michigan would probably mean that Alabama takes OSU’s spot in the CFP regardless of the B1G championship game outcome.
November 10th, 2019 at 10:33 AM ^
No way. 11-1 OSU with a BTT win and a Michigan loss gets them in to the CPF. 1. LSU 2. Clemson 3. Bama 4. OSU.
November 10th, 2019 at 10:27 AM ^
Am I the only one who thinks this is our best chance to beat the Buckeyes? They put all their energy into winning the division against Penn State, and come out entitled and flat against us after a sleepy week of Thanksgiving celebration.
November 10th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
I agree, and I've said it elsewhere. Forget the B1G East; our chances are in the asteroid strike level of probability. I want OSU to have everything all wrapped up, and no reason at all to need the Game for post-season purposes. Let's play them with every bit of intangible we can scrounge up (and a healthy roster, thank you very much), and unleash the metric crap-tonne of karma that has been building up for over the last 15 years.
November 10th, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
They're not going to come out flat against Michigan take that to the bank.
November 10th, 2019 at 2:56 PM ^
We laugh at them, but their Michigan obsession with crossed-out M's and gold pants and countdown clocks works.
They are never flat against us, even though we have given them every reason in the world to be. In fact, their best players usually play their best games against us.
I admire that, and wish that we would do it.
November 10th, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^
OSU was so much better than UM in 2013 and 2017, neither game should have been close. At some point it's hard to take a rivalry seriously if you never, ever lose.
November 10th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^
If and when we beat OSU it will be because of us and not because of them. It will take an epic effort with near flawless game. OSU will show up for the game every year make no mistake. Take the victory because it will never be given to us.
November 11th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^
And their professional players will beat our real student athlete by 50. Ryan Day doesn’t seem as sportsman like as Meyer. I think he tries to embarrass Jim.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:41 AM ^
Double post.
Upon Further Review, Young will still play.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:46 AM ^
Precedence = 2 games tops.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^
If we want to look at precedence in how the NCAA deals with "the" OSU, then why not let him play out the season and the bowl game? Then "the" OSU can promise that he will serve his suspension at the start of next season.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:47 AM ^
There won't be any forfeits because OSU just found out a few days ago (Locksley!). I know you folks want him banned for life because Ohio State, but a kid borrowing some money from a NON-AGENT to fly his girl to the Rose Bowl and then repaying the loan in full is not something the NCAA is going to take a stand over. Michigan knows what's coming in three weeks, don't try to escape the inevitable.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:20 AM ^
As I'm sure countless teachers and professors have told you over the course of your educational career, you're incorrect. The loan was from an NFLPA-certified agent. But the idea of typing an untrue statement in all caps in order to seem confident about something you're blatantly wrong about is a skill you've probably honed from defending Tressel and Meyer over so many years.
November 10th, 2019 at 10:08 AM ^
How do you know that? Because it was reported once and then multiple people have come by out saying it's not true.
Honestly, no one on this board, 11W, RCMB, or anywhere else knows for sure. But it must be worst case scenario because OSU.
If this was Nico Collins, you'd be touting all those reports how it wasn't an agent, how it was for his GF to watch him play, how it was paid back by April (and not it was paid back right before it came out so he could say he did, like I've seen here a lot including Brian), and how the NCAA rules are stupid.
You'd be railing on the NCAA and saying a one game suspension is more than enough based on things like the Manziel punishment.
I don't expect y'all to do anything but laugh at OSU, and hope he's out for The Game, because it's what I would do in a reverse scenario but the rest is pure bias.
Neg away bitches because I know you will but I'm no troll either.
November 10th, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^
It is, of course, true that none of us knows for sure what happened. It's possible the actual misdeed is either not as bad as Michigan fans hope or worse than OSU fans desire. My general assumption in these situations is that when details start filtering out, there's always more to the story. Leaks to the press are ways interested parties try to control the narrative. Whatever information is being released is being released for a strategic purpose, and usually those leaking are trying to minimize the nature of the violation.
It's possible it's merely a loan to get his girlfriend to the Rose Bowl. I'm willing to bet there's more to the story than that.
November 10th, 2019 at 3:25 PM ^
PFTalk, or some similar source, tweeted that the loan was from an agent then quickly deleted it. Of course you (and Brian Cook) run with it.
November 10th, 2019 at 8:59 AM ^
Those saying the NCAA will do nothing are wrong. To rectify the great injustice on display here, the NCAA will issue a groveling, tearful public apology to Young, pre-emptively give him the Heisman, and award OSU a two-touchdown lead to start the game against Michigan.
November 10th, 2019 at 11:07 AM ^
You forgot about the part where the NCAA will assign John O'Neill's crew (or whoever it was that worked the JT-was-short-game) to work The Game to ensure that xOSU gets a fair shake during their troubled and stressful ordeal.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:00 AM ^
No no no, don't you understand? Only fake punishments are allowed. *Last* years' games can be forfeited. If they forfeited a game this season, that could lead to ... consequences!
November 10th, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
He'll be back for THE game. Mich will get crushed.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^
That only happens if the school knowingly played an ineligible player.
November 10th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^
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