Ohio State and Online Academics
ESPN article where Marcus Freeman former Ohio assistant coach now head coach at ND mentions players at ND have to actually show up for class every day where at Ohio not so much.
Interesting that Coach Freemen is walking back the statements when I distinctly remember Justin Fields while at Ohio mentioning not having to go to class.
I understand that Michigan and ND offer classes that are helpful to the student athlete and admission standards help, etc. However is it safe to conclude that although walking back the statements Coach Freeman is actually spot on and that Ohio is simply the SEC of the B1G.
Is there a right or wrong here?
I didn’t go, but I visited just to get a feel for it and have gone to plenty of games throughout my childhood. OSU is so fucking big, it’s a city within a big city.
Easily explained in one word.
Wexner
Very very rich and also a generous philanthropist... but was also good buds with Jeffrey Epstein so there is that.
Considering Bo knew, this fanbase really shouldn't be leveraging Epstein in an attempt to claim moral high ground.
Also live in Columbus (hopefully you didn't lose power this week like I did!) and can confirm all of this about construction everywhere. I don't think that's a uniquely aOSU phenomenon, though, except insofar there's just more of it because they're the biggest campus in the country. For the last decade-ish, lots of big-time colleges have had more money than they know what to do with so they throw it into better facilities - just off the top of my head, we had North Quad and the Ross renovation and I'm sure there were even more major projects in Ann Arbor during that time.
FFS, they haven’t stopped talking about this down in Columbus the last two days. I for the life of me don’t understand why Ohio state and co. Are complaining about this. How many players have indicated they weren’t there to play school or attend class? How many of the fans use coolers as bathrooms? Yet, they want to act mad and angry when someone calls them out on their lack of credentials. Everyone in the college world knows osu doesn’t come close to the academics of ND but no one can speak about it publicly without osu getting pissed? Boy, they can dish but can’t receive. This place sucks.
It’s because it’s “one of our own” that is saying it. Freeman has two degrees from OSU and now it seems like he’s taking a shit on his own education and talking down on the fans and university that loved him so much.
Yeah this reminds me exactly of when Jim Harbaugh made comments in 2007 as Stanford’s coach about his educational experience at Michigan vs. his players at Stanford which prompted Lloyd Carr shooting back and Harbaugh’s current assistant Mike Hart saying “he’s not a Michigan man. I wish he never played here.”
Peaceful, you’re a reasonable Buckeye, which is hard to come by, especially in Columbus. But c’mon man. OSU is one of the most sensitive fan bases. Media will talk to a UM player about The Game and fans act as if UM insulted their mother. If you remember, Harbaugh shat on us when he was at Stanford. Truth is truth. You can’t turn on the radio nowadays on down here without someone complaining about OSUs feelings being hurt. But god forbid, they can talk as much shit about UM, BAMA or anyone else for that matter, and it’s perfect fine. Most of Columbus wants their cake and eat too, and that’s the problem I have with them. Super sensitive.
Hard to come by bulletin board material these days. We’ll take what we can get to go up in arms! A bunch of studies are coming out now saying we have the biggest fanbase out there, so you see even more people bitching about comments like this. It’ll happen! Meh.
Well, Florida seems like it’s Ohio’s second home so I’m not surprised. Though, I think BAMA may still have you beat at the moment cause it’s RDT baby. As much as my disdain goes for OSU, a competitor can sneeze and they’ll find a way to be insulted and come after you on the field.
Remember the time a former player and head football coach at a private university threw shade at Michigan's academics? I wonder whatever happened to that guy...
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Oh no, he said something mean about his alma mater to prop up the school he's coaching at now! Someone call the press! Oh wait...
They're so brittle emotionally that they hang up every single quote from a Michigan that says anything even slightly related to them.
They're a soft bunch
People who equate taking online classes with not doing classwork are the same intellectually-deficient folks who think working from home means not doing any work.
I agree that lumping in all online courses as complete wastes is myopic but as someone who has witnessed family members both teach and attend online courses for higher ed...the quality can vary significantly more than more traditional in-person classes. I have no reason to believe that OSU's online courses are innately garbage but I also am comfortable cocking an eyebrow at the star QB claiming he never stepped foot into a campus classroom and took online courses so he could focus more on football. Because if these courses were as rigorous and time-consuming as traditional classes you do have to wonder why he didn't attend a couple of those just out of convenience (the Woody Hayes center is on campus) or the camaraderie with fellow students.
I tend to agree with you, as I’ve been working from home about 80% for the past two years and on most days I am more productive at home.
I will add that my Masters program (not at UofM) was a hybrid in-person and online, about 50/50 split. In my experience, and this is just me, I don’t have the same recall ability with a lot of the online portion outside of the papers I wrote. The mandatory online discussions and PPT slide decks don’t compare to actual classroom Q&A and banter, which I find most valuable with higher education. Although I went through an online program myself, I put less credibility into a BA from University of Phoenix vs. in-person at, say, CMU.
I'm more concerned about extreme NIL money, and transfers hurting college football rather than whether or not guys take classes on line or not. As Jerry Seinfeld said we are just rooting for the jersey; not the guy who happens to fill it for a couple years and can't take the same classes as "regular students" because big time CFB is pretty much a full-time job.
Eh…I’m pretty sure there are players on our team that take online classes. This is more a product if innovation than OSU or any other school being “sleazy”.
This is so dumb, just stop. It makes Michigan look dumb IMO
Of Dexter Manley who admitted to being functionally illiterate in college, his college coach Pat Jones a few years ago said, " Hell, if we'd had online courses when I was coaching, we coulda gotten Dexter a PhD!"
He later admitted he was half joking.
my kid is in the COE at Michigan and honestly, he has had a number of online classes. it isnt uncommon at Michigan either....
Anyone who still believes that college football has anything to do with academics, aside from achieving the bare minimum, is living in a dream world. It's about money, how to get more money, and bigger piles of money. From the time recruits are contacted all the way to the executives of the conferences and the NCAA.
Some kids clearly still leverage football as a path to employable degrees. That's just not what college football is about now.
And for me, it's less fun as a result.
Yeah, it may be bulletin board material in Columbus. But what are they going to do about, prove him wrong by going to class?
Hahahaha
I tried to google Ohio State online classes and all I got was this...
