NCAA pushing to adopt name, image and likeness rules before July 1 after Supreme Court decision clears way
yea... we know.
Here is the previous board post saying basically the same thing.
Yeah, except this will be adopted by July 1.
Typically, when the NCAA Council recommends legislation, it then moves to the NCAA Board of Governors, which gives final approval. The board is scheduled to meet on June 28.
It scares me that the NCAA is going to try to say that a states law defines what schools can do. This will give the 6 states with laws (all but 2 are SEC states) another HUGE advantage.
Get ready to see a lot of generic looking magazines, periodicals, programs, etc. People will do all they can to circumvent this ruling. Remember many years ago when sports cards weren't allowed to show the logos on the hats or the uniforms (yes I'm old). It made for some of the dumbest looking cards out there.
I don't think NIL will prevent magazines from using pictures of athletes on them, if that's what you are intimating.
All I need to know is when are we getting an NCAA football 22??
oh, wow, I didn't even think of this.
Please?!?
They’ve already announced they’re bringing the game back. But they’re basically starting from scratch in terms of development and gathering licensing from the schools, bowls, etc. Also waiting to see exactly how the NIL works out so EA knows exactly what they’re allowed to do.
Long story short, you won’t be getting NCAA 22. It’s probably 2-3 years out at least so look for NCAA 24 or 25. In the meantime, CFB Revamped has done a really nice mod for NCAA 14 that includes updated uniforms, the new schools have been added, updated stadiums (including blue end zones at Michigan Stadium), updated rosters, new plays (even added RPO concepts) and even a playoff was added. It’s a lot of fun and I recommend it for anyone who needs their NCAA fix before the new game is actually made.
disclaimer: It’s a bit of a process (about an hour and a half) that includes changed settings on console, manual system updates, and downloaded mods. Transferring from computer to console) but there is a tutorial video and as long as you follow along it’s fairly easy.
https://github.com/cfbrevamped/CFBR-Easy-Installer
If you want a look at some of their work: https://instagram.com/cfbrevamped?utm_medium=copy_link
Thanks for the tips; much appreciated!
Are they really starting from scratch? I know my son and his friends have been downloading cfb hacks for Madden forever - adds the players with the numbers and attributes correctly but uses different player names.
Just feels like they could at least start with the madden engine in terms of gameplay (by far the toughest element) and add / adjust existing modes like franchise appropriately.
Fwiw I’m a software engineer.
Cheers.
The NCAA and Madden teams have always been developed by separate teams and used different engines. Theoretically they COULD use the Madden engines for the actual gameplay, but there’s still a ton of work that has to be put in with adding 130 different teams (with some rumors that FCS schools may be added also), a RTG mode, stadiums for every team, uniforms for every team, then there’s the whole recruiting aspect that has to be added too. NCAA and Madden’s similarities ultimately end at them both being football games. Using the same gameplay engine “helps,” but it doesn’t really take away from the other areas that have to be developed still that will take time.
Add in licensing requirements and the uncertainty about NLI’s impact on gaming and what will/won’t be allowed, and there’s still a lot of hoops for EA to jump through. Certainly not enough time for NCAA 22 (which would theoretically be released in July/August this year) and I would seriously doubt 1 year is enough time for them to get everything they need from a licensing standpoint and develop a quality game for NCAA 23.
With the NCAA not having a uniform NIL policy in place and the various state level NIL laws coming into effect at different times, it’s unclear what EA is even allowed to put into the game at this point.
Can’t wait for the Michigan athletic department to come up with some rule to cap compensation for football players, or make it so you have to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to get paid basically making it almost impossible to use. The Michigan difference.
This is the most likely thing I can imagine.
Why would they handcuff themselves?
Schools will not be required to provide these types of benefits, and conferences can impose prohibitions on certain benefits if their member schools so choose. However, conferences cannot act in concert. So, if a conference chooses to limit or prevent certain benefits, it risks giving a competitive advantage to other conferences.
Any rules for NIL would have to be league wide, but conferences can't collude with other conferences to limit athletes earning potential nationally.
Why would they handcuff themselves?
Could ask the same thing about non-grad transfers and some other stuff that doesn't make sense
Admissions won't have anything to do with NIL, or how it's handled. They may have a say in who is actually let into the school, but once they are there the athletic dept takes over.
How else will we claim academic, moral, ethical, etc. superiority if we don't handcuff ourselves? I guess the real reason is winning football games is not UMs top priority. It is at other places like OSU.
Maybe I’m a weenie, but I don’t think the top priority for an institution of higher learning should ever be to win football games... at the end of the day the University of Michigan is an educational institution, not a professional football team.
I understand that we, as fans, have an emotional investment in the teams we root for. But suggesting the University of Michigan, which educates 46,000 students per year, should make its top priority ensuring ~100 of those students win at a child’s game... maybe we’ve gone astray as a society.
Uh, the top priority for the school should be education, but the top priority for the athletic dept should be to win. It's a multi billion dollar business. Win or get out.
Not to mention, these can definitely co-exist. It doesn't hurt the academic reputation of the school to accept some kid's Sociology class...it's a damn Gen Ed anyway. It's just a manifestation of arrogance and perceived superiority of academic programs. Psych 101 is Psych 101.
Yes, but then why are we putting things the academic part of the school controls on the AD? Admissions, grad transfers, etc all falls on the academic side.
To think winning football games does not influence salaries, job security, campus facilities, notoriety, admission applications, etc I think is short sighted. Winning football games has built small agricultural colleges into huge universities. Institutions of higher learning like UM may have been founded with an education first mentality and still may have lots of departments that operate that way. But, what other part of the university brings in as much money as football and what would UM be without it?
I am a prime example of someone that wouldn't pay attention to them without football. My dad may be an alum, but I'm not. I was born in AA, but spent most of my life in the Northeast. I didn't grow up dreaming of getting an MBA from UM like my dad. I grew up watching Dez, Charles, Braylon, et. al. I grew up loving sports, not academics. Without that I'd have no reason to care.
I think you’re really overestimating the financial impact college sports has on their respective schools. The biggest impact Michigan football has is financing its smaller sports, but the AD as a whole generally operates on a very small surplus or a deficit in some years. In other words, Michigan would do just fine without football’s money.
The University operated on a $9 billion dollar budget in 2018. The football program had a revenue of $125.8 million in fiscal year 2020. After its own operating budget, the football team turned a profit of $81 million. Meaning the football profits (let’s ignore the fact that they use this money to fund other sports for a moment) would make up 0.9% of the University operating budget. Now again, the football money pays for other sports. The AD as a whole turned in an $11.6 million surplus. That’s higher than normal, and is just 0.13% of their operating budget. Safe to say they get a significant amount of money from areas outside of football/sports in general.
Without football, Michigan would still be a premier academic institution and would still be one of the wealthiest universities in the country. People choosing where to go to school based on who plays a children’s game better than other schools, kinda goes to my point on where society has headed.
While schools certainly benefit from the exposure, the financial impact is actually relatively small from the athletic department.
The differences between Michigan and OSU extend to the states as well. As evidenced by the post about the Ohio legislature, Ohio apparently has Michigan obsessively on the brain and wants to beat / attempt to be superior to Michigan in everything. And we know about how Ohio cops treat Michiganders. What a strange phenomenon....
Does this happen with other "rival" states?
There is a lot of history between these two states, more than many others.
Pay the big uglies in the trenches!!
Will there be rules that athletes that aren’t on scholarship can’t sell their likeness?
I think this whole NIL situation is going to get crazy with big boosters throwing all kinds of money around. Is there anything to prevent bringing kids under a “NIL booster” scholarship and not an athletic scholarship?
You know what’s really crazy? A bunch of old men in suits making millions of dollars off of the hard work and talent of young men and women whose compensation is arbitrarily and intentionally capped in order to maintain the distribution of wealth to the ruling class.
On top of which, an entire black market of financing has developed and encouraged by those same old men in suits and has created a completely unfair playing field. As if that’s not crazy enough for you, those same dudes have the gaul to continue to pontificate on the sanctity of amateurism.
With change comes some unintended consequences, but it doesn’t mean the status quo should be maintained, especially when it is so blatantly broken.
This is all fairly American. Get power, influence, and money, then keep it. Our country was founded by killing off the natives and taking their land for our own, and using up all its natural resources after all. It's the American dream.
Yeah, The America is the worst ?
I mean... it’s pretty hard to deny America has done some pretty awful things to get to where we are today. We don’t have to pretend everything is sunshine and roses. We can acknowledge the negatives both in our past and our current socioeconomic structure, and not be saying America is awful.
Well, he didn't say that, and the critique offered is certainly an accurate one. I think we need to get over the idea that criticizing something means that one dislikes it - that strange thinking is rather mainstream American in a way too. Quite honestly, I am far more leery of people who are AFRAID to criticize or worse, will not do so because to me that means they don't care enough or have not really thought about the issues at hand with sufficient vigor and depth.
Criticism is usually a good thing. I would disagree that there was much criticism of anything in that comment. I read more of a super cynical description of the “American Dream” that is not held by the vast majority of people in this country.
I made a mildly snarky comment in reply. But whatever, I’m not looking for an argument with a fellow Michigan fan. We’ve had way too much of that garbage here over the last year.
I think you’ve described the past of every empire ever.
I get your point but want to point out that the “unfair playing field” could easily get worse under nil.
Not arguing either way on nil itself but you can bet folks in places like College Station and Tuscaloosa can and will pay enormous endorsements to land five stars - I really wonder if Ann Arbor is willing to keep up tbh... look we’re posting to a sports blog and tend to (imo) overvalue the sports aspect of a university that has so much else to offer in terms of academics and research (and a million other things that have to do nothing with sports).
Not an alum fwiw - I went to TAMU (so I’m familiar with the all encompassing obsession with football in Texas) and then UW-Madison - just grew up in Plymouth going to football / basketball / hockey games. Definitely recognize and respect all the non-sports excellence that exists at UM.
Cheers.
How can it get worse? Right now kids are being paid under the table, and we can't or choose not to participate. At least now we can participate and make a legal financial pitch to get kids to sign. It might not be the perfect situation, but at least when a kid says Georgia is gonna give my family $20,000, we can say "we can't write you a check or give you a bag containing $20,000, but we can make sure you get 20,000 followers from our large fan base, and that can equate to dollars and you won't endanger your eligibility". We have big donors that will advertise on your Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok accounts which every Michigan fan will gladly follow. Michigan is one of the biggest brands in all of sports, not just college.
It can get worse because the Georgia situation goes from keep it quiet money (your 20k but don’t flaunt it) to who cares money (200k go ahead and buy that house).
Who knows - we’ll see. I just suspect sec boosters are willing to pay substantially more vs UM folk - especially now that it’s all aboveboard. Understand that to many of those schools athletics is a much bigger priority. Like Michigan folk like to (rightly) point to academic ratings but SEC folk point to championships.
Cheers.
They should have already had a draft version ready to go.
We better hope this happens. Because the NIL law in Michigan doesn't kick in until 2023. NIL in several other states, including Florida and Ohio, start in 8 days.
In 8 days, athletes in those states can sign contracts and start making money on their NIL. UM won't be able to do so until 2 years later. Gosh, I wonder if that would cripple UM's recruiting.
Even if we have to wait until 2023, I feel like the fact that NIL doesn't come online until then is largely irrelevant. 2021 croots have already signed and are on campus. 2023 croots will have NIL.
The 2022 class is the only one where it may be impactful but I seriously doubt it. Most guys in the class are not starting as true freshman meaning their compensation with NIL is minimal. And we are too far along in the cycle for a sudden introduction of NIL to effect a croot flipping.
The only guys I could maybe see this moving the needle on is your Walter Nolan's of the world which probably aren't coming to Michigan anyways
I guarantee you despite the NCAAs best effort that NIL will make a big impact on recruiting and just one off class for some teams, but a strong class for others can make a big difference. If you don't think so consider how the attrition in the 17 class killed UM.
Wrong answer. NCAA proposal is going to say the states' laws set what kids can get. If Michigan doesn't have a law in place for 2 years, we lose.
I can't quite understand why UM isn't leading the way on this.
1- it would be great if recruits saw UM fighting for their rights
2- UM's legal money cannon will be better than many other schools
We could be leaders and best on NIL - why aren't we?
Michigan's administration sees more eye to eye with the NCAA than the players regarding NIL it seems. They're all about the STUDENT-athlete despite the fact these athletes are the reason hundreds of millions of dollars are injected into the school each year.
It doesn't seem like this is based in reality. Michigan has hired recruiting people focused on navigating NIL and the athletic director has stated he is in favor of NIL.
Michigan isn't leading the charge but they are seemingly embracing it as the future
Agreed, but historically I get the sense UM is behind for example OSU in this regard primarily because they don't value winning football games at all costs. UM will do something, but probably won't push the envelope. OSU will push the envelope.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that a Dennis Dodd article is so terrible, but man, did he even bother to read the supreme court decision? or maybe any one of the numerous legal analyses out there? I am no lawyer, but it doesn't take one to know that the recent supreme court decision has zero to do with NIL.
One interesting question is whether universities will give all athletes the freedom to use the Michigan marks (and the 50-page booklet, guessing at the size, but it's large, of rules and specifications that go along with it). That's the crown jewel that would make NIL valuable for more than the 0.1% of college athletes whose names are worth anything to advertisers on their own.
Let's say there's a business out there like Victoria's Secret, which is in the process of changing around its brand image. They decide the cache of Michigan could help the brand - maybe they want to introduce a line of athletic wear. So they hire a random Michigan softball player as a model. Does that model have permission to wear her Michigan uniform in the ad? If so, Michigan athletes have something valuable to bring to the discussion. But then could any student do the same?
Since that isn't going to happen, what's changed is that an athlete, independent of the Michigan trademarks, can be hired for ads or trade shows or anything, really (the new Ohio law, which I think is in the process of passing this week, exempts casinos and a few other businesses). Which removes a limitation that didn't apply to other students.
This gives universities the ability to decide what they can do to make NIL a selling point and no real way to regulate it. Essentially the days when selected football players could have a "job" with some booster for a bunch of cash and maybe they have to mow a lawn once in a while, but probably not. And probably that kind of thing still goes on anyway.
The long and short of it is, despite the notoriously dim-witted Dodd's hyperventilating, not much will change in the short term. It returns to football coaches the power to connect recruits with boosters with less chance of the NCAA getting upset (that risk was rapidly declining anyway). It gives a handful of elite athletes (think Trevor Lawrence-level) the ability to make a lot of money. But it doesn't necessarily change the illusion that the few teams that actually produce revenue are somehow amateur.
What would change everything, and maybe we're headed in that direction, is whether athletes will be paid salaries. That would probably require splitting major college football and men's basketball into some sort of semi-pro league, apart from all other sports. Then they'd have to somehow sell it as college sports. That won't happen overnight and maybe it won't happen at all.