The NCAA's rules & bylaws are on Michigan's side

Submitted by smotheringD on October 26th, 2023 at 5:51 AM

Copied from Erik_in_Dayton's diary above because when I tried to access this critical information on my phone I couldn't find the Diary Section but navigating the Message Board was easy.  Someone please make sure Erik's excellent interpretation of the NCAA's bylaws is known by the UM athletic department / compliance office today before their meeting.  Well done Erik!

 

  1. Introduction/High-Level Takeaways

The NCAA might not be on Michigan’s side when it comes to the current allegations about sign stealing, but its rules and bylaws are.  This diary is about to get long, so here are the high-level takeaways:

  • There is no rule against sign stealing as such.
  • The rule that forbids recording an opponent’s signals only applies to a team when it’s on a field for a game.
  • A football program can hire third parties to scout future opponents in person.
  • Seth and the poster who goes by Ghost of Fritz Crisler found the most important points below.

Okay, let’s go through Michigan’s supposed rules violations.

  1. The Rule that Categorically Prohibits Sign Stealing

There is no such rule.  You can steal signs in at least some circumstances. 

  1. Rule 1-11-h of the NCAA Football 2023 Rules Book

It says this:

Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.

That seems cut and dried, but it cannot be read alone.  As a preliminary matter, it’s worth noting that Rule 1-11-h is part of Rule 1, which is titled The Game, Field, Players, and Equipment.  Next, per Rule 1-6-b, the Rules Book—the entire thing—applies to the following:

Everyone in the team area, players, substitutes, replaced players, coaches, athletics trainers, cheerleaders, band members, mascots [!], public-address announcers, audio/video/lighting system operators, and other persons affiliated with the teams or institutions.

In case there is any confusion about what the above means by “the teams,” Rule 1-1-1-a tells us that “(t)he game shall be played between two teams of not more than 11 players each…”  So, we’re talking about the two teams that are playing a given game, not all D-1 football teams everywhere. And, for the rules to apply to a person, that person must be affiliated with the teams playing the game and in the “team area.”

What is the “team area”? Rule 1-2-4-a defines it as being “(o)n each side of the field” in the back of a “limit line” (I won’t subject you to that definition) and between the 20-yard lines.  The major point is that it is to the sides of a football field where the two teams play.  Thus, to be subject to Rule 1-11-h, you have to be on the side of a field.  People who are watching games from the stands are not that. 

  1. 2022-2023 NCAA Division 1 Manual Bylaw 11.6.1

Okay, let’s move onto the big one.  Bylaw 11.6.1 says this:

Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2 [these two exceptions aren’t relevant].

We don’t have the nice, clean explanation of whom the Bylaws apply to that we had in the Football Rules Book.  But Article 11 of the Bylaws, of which 11.6.1 is a part, is titled Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel.  More, in Bylaw 11.1.1, we’re told that “Institutional staff members found in violation of NCAA regulations shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action…”  Also, we have common sense to tell us that the NCAA cannot mean 11.6.1 to apply to all humans everywhere.  If nothing else, the average fan does not have “future opponents.”  It seems safe to say, then, that the rule applies on its face to employees of athletic departments (or schools, if you like).  If you think there is ambiguity there, however, we go to our next point.

And here is where we encounter what Ghost of Fritz found and the biggest point of confusion: typically, we’d be correct to think that you cannot absolve yourself of punishment for a prohibited act by paying someone else to do it.  Agency liability and criminal conspiracy charges come to mind.  But that logic just doesn’t seem to apply here. 

Prior to August 2013, Bylaw 11.6.1 prohibited schools from off-campus, in-person scouting of opponents for football, basketball, and women’s volleyball—but not for other sports.  This was balanced out to some extent thanks to then-Bylaw 11.6.2, which said that football, basketball, and women’s volleyball enjoyed a carve-out from the following prohibition:

…a member institution shall not pay or permit the payment of expenses incurred by its athletics department staff members or representatives (including professional scouting services) to scout its opponents or individuals who represent its opponents…

In other words, you couldn’t scout an opponent in person for your football, basketball, and women’s volleyball teams, but you could pay “representatives” to scout opponents for those sports. 

Then, in August 2013, the NCAA changed the rule and prohibited off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) for all sports but balanced that by completely discarding the prohibition against paying for scouting.  In doing so, it published the following rationale:

In the interest of simplicity and consistency, it is appropriate for one rule regarding scouting to apply to all sports. In most cases, video of future opponents is readily available either through institutional exchange, subscription to a recording/dubbing service or internet sites accessible to the general public.

There is only one reasonable interpretation of what happened in August 2013 when the rule was changed: schools could pay for scouting services for football before the rule changed and can still do so now (the rule hasn’t been amended since).  It would make absolutely no sense to repeal the rule that banned payment for scouting for most non-football sports as a way of banning payment for scouting for football.  The explicit rationale for the rule change also wouldn’t make sense.  Accordingly, schools can pay third parties to scout opponents. 

Let me say this in a different way: there is only ambiguity in 11.6.1 if you’re not convinced by its text that it only applies to school employees.  And the legislative history of the rule makes clear that you should be convinced of that.  As seen in 11.6.1 prior to August 2013, the NCAA knew what to say to ban third-party scouting.  And, rather than applying that to football, the NCAA did away with that ban for all sports. 

  1. The Rule Against Hiring Third Parties to Scout & Record Opponents in Person to Steal Signs

You can steal signs.  You can hire third parties to scout opponents in person.  You can record opponents’ signals if you’re not on a football field playing against them.  There is no rule suggesting that combining these things makes them a collective rules violation.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 26th, 2023 at 8:07 AM ^

I mean, they can, but that opens them up to litigation.  They have to follow their own rules and precendent when enforcing those rules.  There is real money and employment at stake based on their rulings so they can't just rule capriciously.  Like for healthcare workers who have a license; disciplinary actions are usually taken by you licensing board.  That board can't just take away your license because they don't like you face (unless such judgements are allowed by the laws and rules the board is supposed to enforce).  If they did, then they would get sued. 

I imagine similar situation to NCAA.  If there is ambiguity/loop holes in the rules, I imagine there will be some negotiation depending on how much people knew/how pervasive it was that is acceptable to UM.  If NCAA just goes torched earth, I would imagine (and hope) that UM and the coaches would open litigation.  And I don't think the NCAA would want litigation considering discovery is a legal process that could be used to shine a light on the inner workings of the NCAA.

St Joe Blues

October 26th, 2023 at 8:18 AM ^

There is real money and employment at stake based on their rulings so they can't just rule capriciously.

Real money, like the alleged contract extension that Harbaugh and the AD were working on worth $$$millions? Even if this whole thing ends up in Michigan's favor, Harbaugh should sue the pants off the NCAA and drive a dagger through its rotten, corrupt heart.

crg

October 26th, 2023 at 9:06 AM ^

That wasn't the *school* threatening legal action, but rather a state politician threatening action.  There are numerous instances of that - one that I often cite are the federal politicians from Utah that threatened to take action for Utah University (and others) continually being shutout of the BCS championship.   The same year they went public against the ncaa (threats only), was when the bcs suddenly changed its tune from "playoffs are not needed" to "we are changing after this season".  People like to point to the snoozefest of Bama vs LSU in the championship that year as a factor, but one game doesn't cause that kind of change.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 26th, 2023 at 8:47 AM ^

Well first, as mentioned above, I think a state senator sued the NCAA over Penn State sanctions. It was settled out of court, but the NCAA re-instated over 100 wins for Paterno because of the settlement.  Also the NCAA maybe related or unrelated eased those sanctions early as well.  So yes I would say the NCAA took and L on that one.  

Second is that I think this is why you see a lot of slap on the wrist punishments that are acceptable to the schools and NCAA; it avoids this type of litigation.  As said before, the days of death penalty and post season bans are pretty much over.  Too much money at stake these days.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 26th, 2023 at 8:47 AM ^

Well first, as mentioned above, I think a state senator sued the NCAA over Penn State sanctions. It was settled out of court, but the NCAA re-instated over 100 wins for Paterno because of the settlement.  Also the NCAA maybe related or unrelated eased those sanctions early as well.  So yes I would say the NCAA took and L on that one.  

Second is that I think this is why you see a lot of slap on the wrist punishments that are acceptable to the schools and NCAA; it avoids this type of litigation.  As said before, the days of death penalty and post season bans are pretty much over.  Too much money at stake these days.

GoWings2008

October 26th, 2023 at 6:37 AM ^

I gotta be honest, in as much as this sort of info is encouraging and gives me hope we're gonna be okay, I've read so much over the last several days that can interpret things going either really good or really bad...very polarizing. 

My experience tells me that the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle, which still leaves room for either a slap on the wrist or some major sanctions that could be not as bad as the worst that could happen, but still bad enough that we won't be happy about it.

The speculation is killing me, but for now I think I'm better off just focusing on winning that bye week game, then running the table the rest of the season and drink in a National Championship. The rest of this we can't control...and even if we could, we can't for over a year if everyone is right about timelines.

lhglrkwg

October 26th, 2023 at 7:05 AM ^

I think TV money will come into play at some point. Networks sign the Big Ten to these massive contracts and who are they constantly putting on national TV no matter who we’re playing? Networks are not going to want one of their main eyeball-attractors to get hammered

I think ultimately Michigan will get hit with some modest/moderate penalties and thatll be it. The main loss will be if this finally pushes Jim into the NFL

GoWings2008

October 26th, 2023 at 7:10 AM ^

I've also accepted that JH will go to the NFL sooner rather than later, and then be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. This may accelerate his plans, it may not but we'll see.

But as Michigan fans, I like the point you make and although I hope the NCAA isn't completely tone deaf to revenues, I don't think I'll hold my breath.

crg

October 26th, 2023 at 8:31 AM ^

They don't, but Jim might not be in the NFL interests anymore.  They have been going for younger guys of late and there is still a perception amongst nfl-types that Jim isn't the easiest to work with (rightly or wrongly, but I find it noteworthy that he gets along coaching much better with college kids than overpaid nfl prima donas - college kids accept that they need to be taught, nfl players not so much).

Jim also explicitly said he's done looking, so I will take him at his word until proven wrong.

Goggles Paisano

October 26th, 2023 at 6:43 AM ^

This is like tax research - you always have to dig deeper with all of the "pursuant to", "except for", and locking down definitions as it pertains to the sections you are researching. The national media didn't dig deeper into the rulebook and hopefully the interpretations are on our side in this one. 

No matter the outcome, the Michigan reputation will take a hit as that is just how this works, unfortunately.  I'm just tired of hearing about it on the national stage as some national pundits can't see the forest from the trees and think this is one of the worst scandals in sports history, when it is obviously anything but.  

 

bighouseinmate

October 26th, 2023 at 9:41 AM ^

While that is somewhat true about a legacy being tarnished, I’m pretty sure Alabama and OSU fans (and many other general cfb fans) don’t care one iota about the generally accepted narrative of their championships being won because of pay for play violations (pre-NIL). And those narratives, while not definitively proven, are much more egregious as far as competitive advantages go.

Catchafire

October 26th, 2023 at 6:46 AM ^

I'm for it.  If it's ok to steal signals during the game you are playing, then let's legalese the rules to our benefit.

And by the way, paying players to stop official visits and transfer to a bigger school is a serious issue.  No one talks about that though...

Ernis

October 26th, 2023 at 6:49 AM ^

What part of 

“a member institution shall not pay or permit the payment of expenses incurred by its athletics department staff members or representatives (including professional scouting services) to scout its opponents”

tells you the activity being described is permitted?

1VaBlue1

October 26th, 2023 at 8:06 AM ^

I had the same question, but EGD's response made me go and re-read.  The preceding line does indicate that football, bball, and volleyball were 'carved out' from that section.  While I would like to see the text of 11.6.2 that carves them out, I don't feel like looking it up myself, so I'll take their word for it and go preach from the mountaintop that Michigan is getting railed.

(That's how we do the internet thing, right?)

Ghost of Fritz…

October 26th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^

This does not matter and does not hurt Michigan's case.  

See my post above in this thread which explains in much greater detail.   Paying a third party to scout a future opponent's game is not the same thing as paying a 3rd party to record a future opponent's game.  NCAA rules clearly treat 'scouting' and 'recording' as completely different things.   

The NCAA clarifying guidance that you cite only about scouting.  But Stalions did not arrange for 3rd parties to scout future opponent games.  He instead arranged for 3rd parties to record future opponent games.  

 

OuldSod

October 26th, 2023 at 7:08 AM ^

Where does it say you can pay for a 3rd party scouting service? That's not the same thing as a subscription to a 3rd party recording / dubbing service.

To have a subscription would also mean the service is making the subscription available to others for substantially similar terms. If it's a subscription that is only available to one party, unless there is a limited exclusivity period after which the content is available to anyone, it's proprietary. There would need to be extensive subscription and licensing language in the contract, but they couldn't just use those words as a sleight of hand to make a proprietary service a subscription. The vendor would need to be an incorporated business screened by the university according to procedures. It wouldn't need to be competitively bid because subscription services offer off the shelf products to everyone. Stallions, running and owning the service, likely couldn't be a staff member as it would be a conflict of interest. At minimum it would need to be disclosed and cleared by compliance and controllers, not just Harbaugh who allegedly doesn't know about it. 

 

 

Harbone IV

October 26th, 2023 at 7:20 AM ^

This is what I've been saying! Thanks for taking the time to write it up. The only thing I'd add is that the second exception to 11.6.1 is relevant. 11.6.1.2 says you can scout conference and NCAA Championships in person (would include CFP semifinal games). Hence us sending GAs instead of randos. Indeed, there's another bylaw specifically prohibiting unauthorized filming of NCAA Championship Games, so that would be the only way to do it.

crg

October 26th, 2023 at 8:41 AM ^

The networks won't allow the ncaa to stop Michigan from playing post season games (which is also why the ncaa allowed osu to play their bowl game despite being found guilty during tatoogate).

Scholarship losses are meaningless now that NIL is legal.

Suspensions can be a thing but are still temporary.

Personally - I want the university to fight tooth & nail to stop the ncaa from trying to vacate any wins.  Those wins were legitimate and meaningful and I would rather burn the whole ncaa organization to the ground rather than risk them.

RGard

October 26th, 2023 at 9:58 AM ^

I don't see vacating wins as a possibility.  They tried that with Paterno (who was actively involved in a cover of up child sex abuse in the PSU Lasch football building) and ended up giving them their wins back.  This is nothing compared to what Paterno did.