Myles Sims' family upset with Michigan over transfer waiver denial

Submitted by FabFiver5 on August 21st, 2019 at 10:41 AM

This article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution includes quotes from both Myles Sims' parents and representatives from UM about the NCAA denying his immediate request to play this year at Georgia Tech. They allege that the official statement from Warde to the NCAA had misinformation about why Sims was transferring.

They are appealing the decision.

MGoBlue96

August 21st, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^

This is ridiculous, the NCAA just needs to get their heads out of their ass and implement the one Mulligan rule Harbaugh suggested. If the current system requires teams to lie on the behalf of players or get bad mouthed in the press it is a broken system. Also it is deflecting blame from the true culprits which is the NCAA for having no consistency in how they apply the current rule, that is not a UM or Harbaugh problem.

1VaBlue1

August 21st, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^

The root of the dispute is whether Myles left for playing time, or some other reason.  The Sims' are upset that Michigan Compliance said 'playing time' to the NCAA.  Here is the relevant quote from the Sims': "The disappointment is in knowing that they included just a few words outside of what we said to mislead the NCAA in their decision-making”. 

Here is what Michigan delivered: "...the statement that Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel submitted to the NCAA as part of the case documentation – Tech’s compliance department showed Myles a copy of it, according to the parents – stated that he had instead left Michigan for a fresh start and for playing time."

So, the dispute is about why M Compliance said that.  If Sims (himself, or his parents) at any point said he wanted to play, then Michigan is good in explicitly saying such.  If they did not, then Michigan is dead wrong in providing that particular statement.

I'm 99.8% sure that Myles said he wanted to go somewhere where he could play.  I'm also 99.8% sure he said this to coaches when his parents (and/or a lawyer) weren't around.  Herein lies the gray area for me - while meeting with the parents to 'officially' request a transfer, did playing time come up as a topic?  If not, it shouldn't have been mentioned by Compliance.  If so, was it 'look, we're not looking for PT', or was it 'we want some'?  Context is everything here.

In any case, the optics aren't good for Michigan.  Right or wrong, always having to defend yourself against what seems 'right' for a player creates a bad perception.  And perception is reality...

 

Harbs

August 21st, 2019 at 11:34 AM ^

If you dolts haven't figured it out yet, Harbaugh is punishing these kids for leaving and he is doing it by screwing them in the transfer process.  How many times is this going to happen before the light bulb goes on?

This is what Fickell was referring to.  Instead of saying, this kid isn't happy here, let's help him find somewhere to be happy", Harbaugh poisons the transfer and makes it as difficult as possible on them.

You all know this is happening but refuse to admit it.  Players get to UM, realize they fucked up and want out.  Christ, half the frigging '17 class wanted out.  Do you really think that is because Harbaugh is such a great guy?

He plays the, I am honest and holier than thou card, a while screwing over 18-year-old kids.

This isn't difficult to see.

PackardRoadBlue

August 21st, 2019 at 12:17 PM ^

I don’t know why I’m even responding to you, but you’re naive if you think a Head Coach can influence the NCAA in their rulings.  The NCAA is ridiculous and in no way shape or form even remotely consistent in their rulings and nothing a HC says or does will influence their decisions.

Its just an excuse to hate Harbaugh cause he probably owns your team in its own stadium 

East Quad

August 21st, 2019 at 11:37 AM ^

After what seems as a number of high profile granted immediate eligibility waivers, more and more are being denied.  This will spread the hue and cry across the college football landscape and deflect from U of M and Harbaugh and onto the NCAA.  It will suppress the number of transfer seekers and the pendulum will swing in the other direction.  Perhaps, it will result in the adoption of the "Harbaugh rule".  I don't believe that it is indicative of a U of M issue.

Arb lover

August 21st, 2019 at 11:39 AM ^

Don't fault Michigan's response. Hard for us to know what happened. Sims might have told coach he'd get more playing time, in front of the team. Players do talk about this, and if that's how it went down, 100 guys would know Michigan played along if their NCAA response omitted that.

We sometimes forget that the most important role of athletics at Michigan is to develop these kids into great people. That means telling the truth, even when it's not strategically convenient. 

Be pleased with the staff here; you wouldn't see coaches take the high road at OSU or state.

KTisClutch

August 21st, 2019 at 11:48 AM ^

I guess I don't get why Michigan's response even matters? If a player has to prove they have extenuating and extraordinary circumstances, why does Michigan's opinion on the transfer even matter? It seems like the answer may be "it doesn't", which means it's just getting ridiculous that Harbaugh/Michigan keep getting nailed for this. Or if it does matter, then that's on the NCAA for having a dumb af process. 

 

The whole waiver thing is so arbitrary, and they quite clearly favor big name QBs over pretty much anyone. So I don't see how people can be getting mad at Harbaugh for such a dumb process.

Romeowolv

August 21st, 2019 at 11:52 AM ^

These articles are getting old.

However, its the NCAA's fault for putting precedent out on giving out immediate eligibility to cases with zero merit.  So every transfer thinks they deserve it.

cornman

August 21st, 2019 at 12:02 PM ^

If if he didn't want people think he was transferring for playing time, he should have given a more compelling explanation than "personal reasons."

Salinger

August 21st, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^

Maybe I'm misremembering, but I was under the impression that the standard rule was that you had to sit out a year. You could petition the NCAA to get an exception based on extenuating circumstances, those which typically are due to family problems (need to relocate closer to home b/c of a sick parent etc...) or some grievence committed by the school (Ole Miss).  

If your reason is "I want to play and they say I'm not the next guy up" that doesn't constitute one of the above two circumstances. 

I don't know all the things, but I thought that being granted access to play immediately was not the general, standard outcome. 

Happy to be explained away from this perspective though.

joedafan

August 21st, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^

I think even more likely is that they did not bother asking for a clarification because Michigan's statement was largely irrelevant. Most of what Sims's family submitted as documentation was from doctors (according to the article) and presumably the NCAA looked at that and found it to be lacking.

brad

August 21st, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^

I didn't see any stat related to the current average acceptance rate by the NCAA for immediate eligibility.  An article like this should have that info in it, so people can judge the righteousness of the Sims' indignation.  From my perspective, this is a First World Problem.

Leaders And Best

August 21st, 2019 at 12:37 PM ^

I was trying to make that point in an earlier reply, but you summarized it better. The NCAA tightened restrictions on waivers earlier this summer.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2019/06/26/ncaas-changes-transfer-guidelines-limit-immediate-eligibility/1569260001/

And it seems like every article I seen from June 2019 on has been "XX player waiver denied by NCAA." Lost in this Myles Sims article is that Georgia Tech had three players have waivers for immediate eligibility denied in the last 24 hours. I think that is the headline.

bronxblue

August 21st, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^

Good lord the NCAA is the dumbest organization in the world.  If what was said here is true, Michigan giving a standard response of "he wants a fresh start and playing time" is demonstrably different than "he's leaving for personal reasons", and that somehow blocking a guy, is a terrible reason to deny a waiver.  Personally I think all guys should be able to leave for whatever reason they want and the NCAA shouldn't give a shit, but if you are putting hoops to jump through this is a dumb distinction to make.

Of note, the other transfer from Florida (Antonneous Clayton) was also denied a waiver.  I don't see anyone complaining about how UF may have hurt his transfer chances, but then again I'm sure AJC just wants clicks and maybe Clayton's family thought better than to go public with their issues.

Leaders And Best

August 21st, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^

And Marques Ezzard from Miami. Georgia Tech had THREE waivers for immediate eligibility denied in the last 24 hours which is the headline for me. What did they think was going to happen? Was this their pitch when recruiting transfers to GT: come here and we will get you a waiver?

I feel bad for Clayton. He only had two years of eligibility left. Now he has one year to play one at GT after sitting out 2019. He would have been better off playing this year and getting his degree at Florida then grad transfer for his final year, and whoever was advising him on this process really did him a disservice unless there is some other reason he needed out.

michymich

August 21st, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^

I just read some posts which I thought were funny. Come on guys.

 

You are telling me that kids who want to play at UM are going to be deterred from signing with UM because 'opponents' are going to use these denials as a reason not to sign?

 

Highly unlikely. If ONE recruit is convinced not to sign with UM then so what? This one recruit could have been Anthony Carter or Derrick Green.

Craptain Crunch

August 21st, 2019 at 12:49 PM ^

Who has more to lose by misleading? U of M or Sims' camp? The answer is obvious and sorta tells you that I'd think Michigan is telling the truth based on the facts they had on hand.

Drew Henson's Backup

August 21st, 2019 at 12:57 PM ^

I wonder what would be the NCAA's response to Michigan if Michigan's statement had been, "We don't recall what Sims said was the reason he left." Does the NCAA require each school to meticulously document what a player said in an exit interview? Probably they do. But if not, perhaps this would be a better approach from now on.

username03

August 21st, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^

There is a difference between lying and not being completely honest. Michigan seems to be going with complete honesty where it seems to be unnecessary and there isn't anything in it for them to do so. The answer to the question why did X transfer should be we don't know and we don't care.

BG Wolverine

August 21st, 2019 at 2:54 PM ^

it seems there has to be documented support for the transfer circumstance, so if the player never said anything about an issue, it would seem compliance would have no records to support it. Thus they would have to put in writing something not true to support the case, in my book, that is lying.

Mgoeffoff

August 21st, 2019 at 1:22 PM ^

I feel like the Fields case really messed everything up.  After that everyone thinks they can make up any excuse and get a waiver too.  OSU messing things up again for everyone else.

cbs650

August 21st, 2019 at 2:23 PM ^

When you state "personal" reasons and nothing more, you open yourself up for folks interpreting it however they want. I hope him and every player gets to transfer and play right away without an explanation. 

KTisClutch

August 21st, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^

So the NCAA is rejecting waiver after waiver and some reason Luke Fickell made it about Harbaugh. And now Myles Sims' family is trying to piggy back on that. 

PackardRoadBlue

August 21st, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^

Hell just this month Matthew Baldwin was denied immediate eligibility at TCU.  What differentiates his case from Martels?  Did osu lie for one and not the other?  I wonder why Baldwins denial barely made a blip in the media but Hudson and now Sims are hot topics.