xtramelanin

January 30th, 2018 at 7:51 AM ^

not saying its impossible, but i don't see a clear path there for anyone.  booting a FOIA request isn't a felony, and that's about as bad as we have so far.  i don't think mandatory reporting failure is a felony either, but admittedly i haven't studied it.  corruption in office is an extremely difficult charge to prove and is really more of a quid-pro-quo, pay-to-play type of offense when it is proven (kwame kilpatrick says hello).  is there any evidence of that type of thing? 

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redwhiteandMGOBLUE

January 30th, 2018 at 8:30 AM ^

Sandusky investigation.

I'm pretty sure that's why most people around here believe there will be charges handed down after this investigation. When you have decades of abuse with possibly hundreds of victims I think most people believe something like that is impossible to cover up without criminal neglegence and/or interference.

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xtramelanin

January 30th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^

i can see a possible child abuse claim against the mandatory reporters, but that is going to be hard to pursue unless the politics of it are so heated that the jury loses sight of the law.   the statute that might apply is here, and it is a 10 yr felony.:

(3) A person is guilty of child abuse in the second degree if any of the following apply:

(a) The person's omission causes serious physical harm or serious mental harm to a child or if the person's reckless act causes serious physical harm or serious mental harm to a child.

(b) The person knowingly or intentionally commits an act likely to cause serious physical or mental harm to a child regardless of whether harm results.

(c) The person knowingly or intentionally commits an act that is cruel to a child regardless of whether harm results

so the question is, who had not just a moral duty to report, ala joepa, but an actual legal duty to either protect those kids or report this?   again, not saying 'no way, jose', but i don't see it yet.  maybe the facts will unfold in that direction.

 

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Michigan Arrogance

January 29th, 2018 at 7:01 PM ^

looks like they asked for all relevant investigations and communications re: Nassar from:

  • Every member of the BoT
  • All Gymnastics staff and Hollis
  • Any directly above Nassar in the Dept of Osteo.
  • Simon

 

Sound about right?

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redwhiteandMGOBLUE

January 29th, 2018 at 7:34 PM ^

Destiny Teachnor-Hauk joined the Michigan State University athletic training staff in August 1997. She is currently the staff athletic trainer in charge of MSU women's gymnastics, with clinical supervision of the Varsity and Novice Rowing teams and the Jenison Field House Athletic Training Room. She is also responsible for yearly CPR certification of all Michigan State coaches and staff and student athletic trainers.

http://www.msuspartans.com/genrel/destiny_teachnor_hauk_900422.html

Former MSU softball player Tiffany Thomas-Lopez says she told Teachnor-Hauk about Nassar's abuse in 2000. Teachnor-Hauk continues to work with MSU’s gymnastics and rowing teams. She has been at MSU since 1997. Like Brooke Lemmen, the ex-MSU doctor who removed "several boxes of confidential treatment records" from MSU's Sports Medicine Clinic at Nassar's request, Teachnor-Hauk was interviewed during MSU’s 2014 Title IX review that cleared Nassar. She also told MSU Police in March 2017 that she never had been told by an athlete that Nassar had performed an intervaginal procedure on them.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zudLNSogZ0UJ:https…

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rc15

January 29th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^

Of all the things that have been blacked-out, you’d think they would’ve done the phone number... Probably going to be pissed off MSU fans making prank phone calls

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ashwood35

January 29th, 2018 at 8:28 PM ^

I've come to a realization. Not all, but a significant percentage of posters here are legit scum bags. It's like you hope something comes out that would warrant Izzo or Mork get fired. If they get fired it's because they didnt follow procedure regarding fucking sexual assault. A human should hope nothing is found and they did it exactly right. But low lifes like you are sitting at your desk hitting refresh hoping these guys get the boot because of a rivalry. "Rape enablers"? No proof of this has been presented, and we should all pray that it doesn't.

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HAIL-YEA

January 29th, 2018 at 8:39 PM ^

proof has been presented except the testimony of a former employee who quit because of these issues. There is already proof that the university and athletic department was covering up for the pedophile. The 2 separate title IX reports is enough to prove that. It is not a stretch to think that if they would cover up the nassar complaints they would do the same with complaints about football and basketball. Add to that a former employee saying they did just that and we are the scumbags?. Go take a look in the mirror

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ashwood35

January 29th, 2018 at 8:47 PM ^

The Nassar case and anything Izzo or Mork related have nothing to do with the other. Investigate? Absolutely! But nothing has been presented as fact that would warrant these guys losing their gigs. And if that former employee had proof of anything, I would agree. How about actually having proof?

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HAIL-YEA

January 29th, 2018 at 8:56 PM ^

they do no matter how hard you cry otherwise. Nasser didn't cover up those allegations on his own, the people that covered it up were the same people overseeing football and basketball. ESPN how pointed out a couple dozen complaints where no punishment was issued. That's going to be investigated but don't tell me it's not linked, it's all the same dam ad

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ashwood35

January 29th, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^

So you have seen proof Hollis covered up Nassar allegations? That very well may come to be the case. But that has not been proven either. Anyone who is "proven" to have enabled Nassar or any if Izzo/MD are found to have covered up anything sexual assault related, not only should they lose their jobs, but I hope they burn they hell. I would just love a society where that should be proven.

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ashwood35

January 29th, 2018 at 10:04 PM ^

So I take a position of not throwing dirt on someone who may or may not be guilty of wrondoing until proof has been presented of said wrongdoing. You have presumed someone guilty without proof of such guilt, and I'm the one who's a horrible person and should feel bad about myself? Seems backwards

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1VaBlue1

January 29th, 2018 at 10:38 PM ^

In your haste to defend people, you've lost sight of the bigger picture.  Its not Nassar on his own as a pedophile, and its not Izzo on his own as a bball coach, nor is it Mick on his own with football.  It's three very different, but related, sports.  Each of those teams report directly back to the MSU Ath Dept, (previously) led by Mark Hollis.  Hollis reported directly to LAKS, who reported directly to the BoT.

Please tell me which of the actors involved have been standup guys.  I'll wait...

LAKS and Hollis set up an administration that STRONGLY appears to have favored weak adherence to due process, law, and 'doing things right'.  That admin allowed people to support a friend against heinous reports.  It allowed Izzo and Dontana to get away with finger slaps when players sexually assaulted women.  We know this from documented reports already.  These things aren't at question.

What's at question is whether that admin atually made it possible to cover up sex assault (or other crime) by pleading to lesser crimes and/or light punishment.  (I mean, Dantario had a rapist talk to his mom about his crime as a punishment!)

I'm sorry you can't see the big picture.  Please go back to being an asshat apologist.  Question - do you also think JoePa was wronged?  Jeez, man...

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