MSU Ferguson: "There's so many things going on at the Univ than this Nassar thing."
A Freep (sorry) via WVFN with Tim Staudt piece where Joel Ferguson adamantly stands behind Lou Ann Simon and claiming it took 10 minutes to decide of a Trustee meeting in support of LAS as President at MSU.
Ferguson talks about donors, sports, pervs and even cites Penn St unqualified to comment.
Still a sad and serious case but I found the ignorance appaling and noteworthy.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018…
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:23 PM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^
is buying what these idiots are selling?
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^
I'm amazed anyone is. This is clearly worse than the shit that went down at PSU, which is hard to believe.
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^
including those on this board
Edit: case and point; Hi hillbilly, I mean Lou Ann
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:58 PM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^
Everyone knows that Lou Anna Simon is really Orville Redenbacker
January 23rd, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^
Do not insult that fine upstanding popcorn maker by comparing Simon to him.
January 24th, 2018 at 5:55 AM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
that are pure trash. Here's the money quote from Ferguson:
"I mean, when you go to the basketball game, you walk into the new Breslin, and the person who hustled and got all those major donors to give money was Lou Anna Simon," Ferguson said. "There’s just so many things that make up being president at a university that keeps everything moving and everything right with the deans, everything at a school where we have a waiting list of students who want to come."
So at this shit-hole institution they're happy enough about raising money for their new basketball arena that they're willing to let slide a systemic lack of institutional accountabiliy leading to a massive sexual abuse problem that was lengthy and wide ranging. But hey, nice new seats to watch a basketball game.
Also, none of those things are all that special at any comparably decent school. Everybody is raising a bunch of money, everybody has waitlists (demand for higher ed has never been higher), everybody has increasingly difficult admission standards thanks to that higher demand. If you can't foster an environment in which these kinds of things aren't allowed to happen for so long at such scale, you have failed miserably as a university president.
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^
And she apparently raises a LOT of $$ (for a school like MSU).
Not condoning anything - just making the true motives clearer.
January 23rd, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^
in which he thought it important enough to call out the funding of Breslin. That he mentioned a stupid sports arena instead of a sciences building or whatever else they're doing, says a lot about their priorities. But I fully agree that it's money in general that they like about her.
I did make the point that I think the University is overly attributing their fundraising success to her, or at least is probably underestimating their ability to find someone else that could do it just as well.
Most public institutions are raising a lot more money than ever before (link) for several reasons. Two amongst them:
1) They are all emphasizing it now because they're getting less public funding (which also provides a nice story when asking for the money).
2) Wealthy potential donors have a crap ton of money recently (asset classes of every kind are skyrocketing in the past 10 years).
MSU is also no doubt raising more money because of the success of the athletic programs in the past ten years. Raise your hand if you were more likely to donate to Ace's fundraiser in the euphoria that followed the bball win over MSU. It matters.
None of those things have to do with LAS, specifically. A lot of university presidents are coming from a development background these days or are almost exclusively focused on it (see the first point), so it's not as difficult to find an experienced replacement as it would have been 15 years ago, which is the context that Ferguson is basing his support on. I don't know all her background and all the details of their fundraising, but if you compared it to other public institutions in the past 10 years rather than MSU 20 years ago, she would probably look a lot less impressive in regards to fundraising.
January 23rd, 2018 at 5:36 PM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 3:02 PM ^
Obviously Izzo is in the Ferguson camp. Maybe that's who penned Izzo's first tweet.
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
I know the OP is quoting the article, which is fine, but damn it the whole "there's" thing bothers the crap out of me. So many people say that. It's "there are."
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
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January 23rd, 2018 at 9:21 PM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
You look like a crazy person with all of your posts towards the hillbilly. Just let it go.
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^
the front page then i'm assuming. Becuase I am talking about that same mindset being exhibited and protrayed here, in the community, regarding present posters.
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
Who, again, were forcibly intervened with by the mods. And yet is, here they are, as if they did not learn a thing. That is a problem, it was a problem, it is still a problem.
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:22 PM ^
Comments on own comment. You are not helping your case.
January 23rd, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
Maybe resolve this with the mods via E-mail. You can voice your concerns and get their reasoning for why he wasn't banned. This can all be done without risking a trip to bolivia yourself, and it would stop polutting the comments section with what looks honestly like an obsession from you.
January 23rd, 2018 at 5:01 PM ^
What are you talking about? Front page?
January 23rd, 2018 at 9:07 PM ^
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January 24th, 2018 at 8:54 AM ^
So since I didn't create an account until 2010, I am considered a jabronie? The sad thing is, you have had an account for 8 years but you act like you're 13. I don't think you created an account at the age of 5, so......
January 23rd, 2018 at 9:43 PM ^
January 24th, 2018 at 5:40 AM ^
i missed whatever mgohillbilly said that has you so fired up.
1. what exactly was it that he/she/it said that has you so dedicated to following around every single post?
2. whatever it was, having made your statement don't you think it might be time to let go, at least for now? if the issue is repeated you can bang the drum again. if not, isn't forgiveness a fine character trait? got any for hillbilly?
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
I fixed it. As I am accountable for my grammar and actions!
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^
BTW I know you meant Thank's but I read through the lines.
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^
Damn, the whole prescriptivism thing bothers the crap out of me. So many people try to correct others' informal speech as if it were formal speech or writing. It's "if you know what a person means then there is no right or wrong way to say something, so abandon the prescriptivist 1950s schoolteacher shit."
January 23rd, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^
January 23rd, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^
That's entirely changing the context of what I said. Judging the spelling, grammar, and punctuation of written communication is fine, especially in formal writing. Expecting somebody to speak---as in spoken language---the Queen's English impeccably is prescriptivism at its worst. If you understand what someone means when they say "there's" instead of "there are" then it's correct even if it would be incorrect in formal writing. Prescriptivism in spoken language is rampant pedantic bullshit and I do my part to spread the word, soda speak.
Edit: In fact, I hadn't truly grasped your comment until I'd already replied, and I disagree even more now that I have. You're saying you discount somebody's opinion because they're uneducated or at least they show poor grammatical skills? So somebody with perfect spelling, punctuation, and grammar automatically has a more valid argument, okay, got it. That's absolutely ridiculous.
January 23rd, 2018 at 6:18 PM ^
I live in Pittsburgh. Every time I hear someone say "yinz" for "all of you", or when they drop the "th" in their prepositions, it immediately makes me wonder if they know how stupid they sound.
And no, I didn't say I discount the opinion (as in completely write them off). I said I don't give it as much credence as someone who clearly values education. Generally people who can't be bothered to present their opinions intelligently haven't done their due diligence to ensure that those opinions are well-researched. If you devalue one aspect of education, it's not a leap to presume you devalue others.
Does that mean everyone who does so is uneducated/wrong? Or that people who dot every "I" and cross every "T" are always right? Of course not. There are always exceptions.
January 24th, 2018 at 12:13 PM ^
This seems like just such an exception. You appear educated but apparently haven't researched your opinion on this subject. I also still tend to suspect you're referring to written language which, as I said, is irrelevant to this discussion.
Yinz---a shortened form of "you'uns"---is just like "y'all" in that it fills a linguistic gap in the English language that is sorely missing. Others try to fill the gap with "you guys" and other phrases like that which is much less efficient. Spoken language is about efficiency. That doesn't make a person stupid or even less educated or well-researched. Hell, I often drop off the -g at the end of -ing words and used to think it made me sound dumb until I realized it was silly to care---unless I'm speaking in a more formal context, where I automatically change that habit anyway.
Let me give you another example: contractions. You used them yourself. Many would say they don't belong in formal writing. But it sounds clunky to speak out loud with "do not" and "did not" and "that is," etc. That's because language has evolved to be more efficient, cutting these words down to reflect how people actually speak. Yinz may sound weird to you, but it's an actual word that fills an actual purpose.
Judge somebody's opinion based on the content of the opinion, not on its presentation.
January 25th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
I am referring to both written and spoken language. Language use in general, if you will.
I judge someone's opinion on both content AND presentation, as everyone else in the world does, to some extent. I'm sure that you do so as well, though I suspect our threshhold for triggering the judgment response is quite different.
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^
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January 23rd, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^
JFC, is the entirety of Michigan State unable to take responsibility? Even if they collectively don't give a shit about supporting a serial rapist and molestor for decades, do they not understand the concept of optics? I don't care if she's the best goddamn fundraiser on earth, just purge everyone who was responsible and GET OUT OF THE NEWS. This isn't even turning a one day story into a two day, this is repeatedly doubling down on terrible decision making and just digging the hole deeper every day. Burn the place down.
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
His comments prove that MSU under Simon's leadership created an enviroment that has zero accountability and enabled a sexual predator. He, along with the other admins have learned nothing from the situation. Disgusting.
January 23rd, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^
so I think she more than made up for this Nassar thing. And, the girls are going to get money, so everyone will feel pretty good about this in the end.
Money solves everything right? Right? I mean, THAT's what we should be remembered for. Not looking the other way or allowing this to continue for almost two decades.
This is such a tone deaf way of going about things, and is a weird way that many view the world.
This reminds me of the quote:
You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.
I am easily judging how MSU has handled this and the victims in this case.
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
"The young ladies who have been wronged by this person, I think that … they will ... you can never use money to make up for people’s pain and suffering, but there’s going to be something happening in their favor," he said.
WTF?? In their favor?!?!?!
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
That is the most ham handed way ever of saying "we're going to throw money at them and hope they shut up." Good luck with that Sparty.
January 23rd, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^
acting like he is doing them a favor too...