Ham

March 12th, 2023 at 10:20 PM ^

Potential to play Castleton in the title game.

Since the above can’t happen (see first reply), question: Can we use seedings to determine how far Michigan was out of the tournament? 

bluesalt

March 12th, 2023 at 11:02 PM ^

I believe 1-seeds always go to the first four out (assuming they all except their invites), now that the NCAA runs the NIT, as opposed to it being a separate entity.  Beyond that, it’s unclear to me.  So we were more than the first four out, but whether we were 5-8 out or further, I don’t know.

Monday Morning…

March 13th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^

I think it's reasonable to assume we were in the Next Four Out range. If you look at the teams who didn't make the NCAAT, there were at best 10 with any realistic chance going into the conference tournaments. In addition to Oklahoma St, UNC, Rutgers, and Clemson, I'm thinking us, Vandy, Wisc, Oregon, and then as very long shots, New Mexico and Virginia Tech.

superstringer

March 13th, 2023 at 12:06 PM ^

I don't think you can use NIT seedings to "know" what the NCAA Committee was thinking.  The NIT is seeded by its own committee (which includes coaches, not just administrators).  They NIT determines their 32 teams; seeds the top 16; and then assigns the other 16 based on geography.  So the NIT's decision on seedings might be different than what the NCAA was considering.

I also assume, the NCAA doesn't really do "next four" etc.  Either you make their last four (or three or five or whatever), or you don't.  Why do tiers below that?  They probably stopped thinking about us when we were, oh, 1-for-14 in the second half, or something like that.

I would be curious, which team got invited to the NIT when the 'Heels decided to be, well, heels, and refuse to play b/c they are too good for the NIT.

The Deer Hunter

March 12th, 2023 at 10:57 PM ^

To answer your question Thad, If we keep winning we have two home games. If we meet Clemson in the lower right bracket final then we play there, if Clemson loses before then, we get a third home game.  

EDIT: Since the NIT reported our seed inaccurately this no longer applies. We are guaranteed one home game against Toledo. 

BKBlue94

March 12th, 2023 at 10:23 PM ^

Glad to see Michigan in it. Will be some good experience for some of the young guys, including some guys who haven't been in the rotation but will hopefully be contributors next year 

bronxblue

March 12th, 2023 at 10:27 PM ^

Toledo's a tough, experienced team.  They don't play a lick of defense (285th per KenPom on defense though middle-of-the-pack for the MAC) but they have one of the best offenses in the country.  Will be interesting to see how UM comes out.

bronxblue

March 12th, 2023 at 11:20 PM ^

Not having seen them but looking at the numbers they've got 3 high-minutes guys who shoot over 40% from 3 and another guy at 37%.  It's a team that UM will be in a track meet with but (I assume) is a lot like Nebraska or Iowa in that they don't try that hard to slow you down.

What killed UM early in the year against these types of teams was guard play especially on defense.  They're better now so if guys like Dug and Bufkin can stay in front of their opponents that would be nice.  And Dickinson/Reed are going to have a huge size and athleticism advantage.

Spankie McGee

March 12th, 2023 at 10:53 PM ^

Hope we use this opportunity to give some of the younger guys like Youssef and Barnes some time to see what they’ve got. If anyone isn’t 100% in, I hope they don’t see much of the court.