Michigan and Harbaugh- Please don't let the NCAA win!
IMHO the NCAA is going after Harbaugh on these "violations" for 3 reasons:
1) He is high profile and speaks his mind
2) Harbaugh has plenty of other FBS football coaches who are jealous or don't like him- particularly the whole shitty B10 other than maybe Ferentz
3) Harbaugh has been outspoken about player rights and now is promoting revenue sharing which I'm sure the schools/NCAA don't love
The NCAA's goal was first to damage Michigan and Michigan's season which it failed at doing, their second goal is to get Harbaugh out of College Football/Michigan.
If Michigan and Harbaugh allow the NCAA to be the reason that Harbaugh doesn't sign a new contract then the NCAA will have won. We should not let this happen.
Harbaugh is looking for Michigan to have some skin in the game on these bullshit violations. Michigan can address this easily by defining cause very narrowly and then create a specific buyout if NCAA ban's Harbaugh for more than a season- for instance, this scenario could trigger a specific buyout of 2 or 3 years salary.
This is a great opportunity for Michigan and Harbaugh to show that the NCAA will NOT be able to dictate to The University of Michigan who our coach will be.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:30 PM ^
this would of fit perfectly in the already created Harbaugh contract thread
January 16th, 2024 at 5:43 PM ^
OP user name checks out re. starting new thread to let thoughts be known.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:10 PM ^
He should have paid the poster who started the other thread to take that one over, then deleted all the good parts of it and added the letter X.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:31 PM ^
What exactly are you looking for with this post?
January 16th, 2024 at 5:34 PM ^
The goal is to make the true context of the situation plain so that decisions are made on a win versus the NCAA basis rather than some lawyers worrying about theoretical outcomes.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:58 PM ^
I don't think I have any say in the decision.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:28 PM ^
You do seem like the type of person to love Elon Musk.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:36 PM ^
Looks like a word salad...
January 16th, 2024 at 5:35 PM ^
No, let's talk about how the NCAA is trying to make employment decisions for our University.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:44 PM ^
The NCAA is not trying to make an employment decision for Michigan.
Jim Harbaugh is making a very large ask in a negotiation which he most likely knows is not possible to give. Why, is for him and his agent to know.
Michigan is trying to negotiate a contract with a person they would like to be their coach. No matter how much we all would like Harbaugh to be the coach, the school (AD, President, & BOT's included) need to make the right decision for the university. That right decision very well might be to tell Jim, no, we can't offer that. From there, it is up to Harbaugh what he wants to do.
Ultimately, this has nothing to do with the NCAA.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:20 AM ^
I think by way of suspension for 3 (may be 4) games, the NCAA is trying to make employment decisions.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:34 PM ^
Finish the Cybertruck dude and then we can talk football.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:42 PM ^
This comment made me smile, thank you.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:49 PM ^
I'm still waiting for hyper loop...
January 16th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^
F*** the advertisers, amirite???
January 16th, 2024 at 5:36 PM ^
Now THIS is the post I needed to see after refreshing the mgoboard!
January 16th, 2024 at 5:42 PM ^
I don't think #2 is true and on #3, I think quite a few schools & coaches (perhaps even the majority of them) AGREE with his POV on revenue sharing.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:46 PM ^
I don't think #2 is true
Just to clarify, you don't think other B1G coaches hate Harbaugh? Or did you just mean you don't think that's the NCAA's motivation?
January 16th, 2024 at 7:17 PM ^
I don't think any B10 coach "hates" Harbaugh. I don't think the majority even "dislike" him. He's clearly a very good coach who is proficient at what he does, both from an Xs an Os and a leadership of men POV. I think the coaching fraternity, to a man, recognizes all of that.
I DO think some of them feel like they have been wronged by him, specifically as regards this past fall's saga --- and as a result resent him.
Hatred <> resentment. They're not the same thing.
I get it - I'm in a minority opinion on this front, but as to #2, I don't think those coaches are necessarily wrong.
January 16th, 2024 at 7:39 PM ^
Oh, okay. You want to get technical about the word "hate," that's fine.
Pretty sure Day's and Dantonio's feelings are/were somewhere on the hate spectrum and, yeah, I agree they're not "wrong" because it's not exactly an accident. He's an antagonist, especially towards rivals. (And Dantonio started it.)
Dantonio of course is long gone (good riddance) and the other two coaches who followed had other things to worry about. Did Tucker hate Harbaugh after the tunnel game? He didn't really show it if he did.
Speaking of the tunnel, let us also remember what Jim Harbaugh had to say after James Franklin's team threw PB&J sandwiches at us and blamed it on the tunnel (total trendsetter that James):
Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh responded to issues that Penn State's James Franklin raised about the tunnel at Michigan Stadium, saying he has "bigger fish to fry than worry about that kind of whining."
I'm not saying Franklin's reaction to that was to hate Harbaugh. Maybe he was mildly annoyed, mildly amused, totally indifferent. Who knows. He also had is spat with Fickell when Fickell (now in the conference) was at Cincinnati.
These are just the two things off the top of my head and lots of stuff has probably gone unreported.
I'm just going to go out on a limb and say as a group they are not too keen on him and that was all before this year.
January 16th, 2024 at 7:57 PM ^
Sure, maybe I got "technical" between "hate" and "resentment" --- but I don't think that's a trivial difference. The two, IMO, are considerably difference.
And then there's a sort-of-separate topic: coaches who throw out "red meat" to their fan base. Where they say stuff to get their fanbases riled up, but there's truly neither "hatred" or "resentment" toward the opposing coach. Examples of that, IMO:
- Ryan Day's "hang 100 on them." That wasn't anything personal toward Harbaugh - it was red meat for the OSU fan base.
- Harbaugh's "born on 3rd base" comment was similiar, just a different audience. Harbaugh knows Day is talented and has worked hard: maybe he's not a great HC, but he certainly understands the offensive side of the football.
- Harbaugh calling Franklin a "whiner" as regards the tunnel. That wasn't anything personal toward Franklin - and Franklin (IMO) didn't take it personal either. It was just red meat for the U-M base (ha, we beat them, and now that coach over there has resorted to whining!).
- Franklin's various comments over the years as regards Maryland, most notably about "when I recruit in Maryland, it's in-state recruiting, this is our territory." It was nothing personal against Randy Edsall or Mike Locksley. But the DMV portion of the PSU fanbase loved it.
Anyway, that's all talk. And it's part of college football theatre. Fans care, fans take it personally, but none of those coaches really care.
However --- when coaches start doing things which, in their opinion, start tilting the playing field one way or the other ---- THAT will build resentment.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:43 PM ^
Michigan could offer that to harbaugh today and he still isnt signing it. Hes waiting for a
NFL opportunity. If that doesnt happen he will sign with Michigan.
Go Blue
January 16th, 2024 at 5:44 PM ^
Harbaugh is looking for Michigan to have some skin in the game on these bullshit violations. Michigan can address this easily by defining cause very narrowly and then create a specific buyout if NCAA ban's Harbaugh for more than a season- for instance, this scenario could trigger a specific buyout of 2 or 3 years salary.
Are you at all sure the university hasn’t tried this and Jim just said no?
January 16th, 2024 at 5:45 PM ^
Take off the tin foil hat and go to bed.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:49 PM ^
Do you think Harbaugh sits or stands to wipe?
January 16th, 2024 at 5:55 PM ^
Neither.
At the moment he's still sitting on the pot and making us wait.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:03 PM ^
Definitely squats, uses left hand with sandpaper gently softened with the tears of Tony Petitti.
January 16th, 2024 at 11:08 PM ^
Serious question, how does one stand and wipe? I have enough trouble sitting and wiping. I can't imagine the extra gymnastics involved with standing while wiping. I don't get how it's even possible to get it reasonably clean unless you're ultra flexible and at least 10 pounds under average weight for your height.
January 16th, 2024 at 5:56 PM ^
Harbaugh is on a mission/crusade to change College Football, if Michigan is down for that, then sign him up.
120 years ago, it was Yost at Michigan with his agenda. We left the Conference because of it, and he was proven right.....eventually. Buckle Up!
January 16th, 2024 at 5:58 PM ^
I don't want JH to leave, nor do I want to see the Powers That Be win. But if I was in Harbaugh's shoes, I might be fed up with the hypocrisy that is part and parcel of NCAA-brand college football, and want to be done with the nonsense, win, lose or draw.
I might feel the same way about the Big Ten and its/its members' flagrant and wholly separate vendetta.
I might conclude, "This hypocritical vendetta is Bizarro World, and I want out."
I can also see why the University doesn't want to take the risk of agreeing to pay millions to a head coach who for whatever reason isn't allowed to coach.
Neither position is unreasonable. But I hope they can work things out.
College football is remarkably fucked up at the moment.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:09 PM ^
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported on Tuesday's episode of SportsCenter that while Michigan will push to retain Harbaugh with a new contract, it appears to be unlikely that he will continue his tenure with the Wolverines.
"The question now is who else does he talk to? Michigan is trying to keep him. They're trying to put together a package of some sort that would be very lucrative to keep him around, which I do believe he will entertain," Fowler said. "I talked to a source close to Harbaugh who said the chances of him returning to Michigan at this point are probably pretty small. Certainly not out of the realm but he is intrigued about going back to the NFL."
January 16th, 2024 at 6:19 PM ^
If we offer JH a competitive deal, with at least most of what he wants, and he still leaves, I'm going to be pretty pissed off if I'm honest.
We could be just at the beginning of a dynasty, but no, back to mediocrity.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:14 PM ^
If Harbaugh would prefer to coach in the NFL, then staying in college ball just so the NCAA “doesn’t win” would be quite a Phyrric victory.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:31 PM ^
Please make it stop!
January 16th, 2024 at 6:31 PM ^
This has nothing to do with the NCAA, dude — except to the extent that a possible suspension would impact his decision. This is unlikely. The issue is whether not he gets an NFL offer he likes. He’s buying time until then. If you want to blame someone for the holdup, blame Harbaugh. He’s the one doing this.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:32 PM ^
This has nothing to do with the NCAA, dude — except to the extent that a possible suspension would impact his decision. This is unlikely. The issue is whether not he gets an NFL offer he likes. He’s buying time until then. If you want to blame someone for the holdup, blame Harbaugh. He’s the one holding up the train.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:36 PM ^
"We should not let this happen." There is nothing "we" can do about it. I was once convinced he would stay so the NCAA would not win. Now I am convinced he will go. I no longer care. In fact, I look forward to an off-season where the head coach is not entertaining interviews with NFL teams. Thanks for the memories.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:39 PM ^
Is the consensus not that Harbaugh is just demanding unrealistic terms so he can claim he wanted to come back to Michigan even though he really just wants to go back to the NFL?
January 16th, 2024 at 6:56 PM ^
I wouldn't phrase it like that exactly. I mean, I could be proven wrong if he takes the Chargers job and says it's because Michigan rejected him.
But I think he's making unreasonable demands as a stall tactic while he waits to hear what (or if) the NFL has to offer. I'd like to think that if he goes to the NFL he will not try to trash Michigan on the way out.
January 16th, 2024 at 9:46 PM ^
I think he's upset the gazpacho was room temp when he was expecting it to be cold, right out of the fridge.
January 16th, 2024 at 6:53 PM ^
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANY OF THESE THINGS OUT LOUD!
January 16th, 2024 at 6:54 PM ^
The NCAA's goal was first to damage Michigan and Michigan's season
I really think that was the Big Ten trying to do that, not the NCAA. The Big Ten is the one that suspended Harbaugh and the other schools still complained that was not good enough. I think they really did want Michigan to be banned from the Big Ten title game and CFP.
Michigan can address this easily by defining cause very narrowly and then create a specific buyout if NCAA ban's Harbaugh for more than a season- for instance, this scenario could trigger a specific buyout of 2 or 3 years salary.
Wow, great idea. That sounds exactly like something that as of right now Harbaugh would reject while he waits to hear back from the Chargers.
January 16th, 2024 at 7:01 PM ^
As NFL teams schedule and conduct interviews, a lot of us are sensitive to who Harbaugh is talking to - and with.
Yes - we’re aware of San Diego.
And, it looks like Jim is NOT on Seattle’s list. So - - bit of good news.
January 16th, 2024 at 7:12 PM ^
What's in San Diego?
January 16th, 2024 at 7:57 PM ^
Thanks.. my age is showing - they’ll always be the San Diego Chargers to me.
Though - I believe Harbaugh’s first head coaching job was at the University of San Diego.
January 16th, 2024 at 7:10 PM ^
He’s gone. All the “impasse” bullshit is just cover from Harbaugh’s agent so Jim has an excuse to leave
January 16th, 2024 at 7:17 PM ^
This indeed may be true. But why is it necessary? He has earned the right to go follow his dreams with our blessing. He does not need an "excuse".
Hell, I'd be OK even if he said: "I want to go back to the NFL. If there is a team that I can work out a good deal with this year, I will go with that team. If not, I will try again next year. Or the year after that. It is a dream I want to pursue."
As long as he works out a viable succession plan and does not leave us hanging out to dry. Maybe he could mentor Sherrone for a year as his replacement-in-waiting if the Chargers thing does not work out, or something like that so that recruits / transfers know who they would be playing for if they come here.
January 16th, 2024 at 7:50 PM ^
I said this above. And I may be proven wrong. But if he goes to the NFL I do not think he's going to say at his Charger's introductory press conference, "You know guys, you were my second choice but Michigan just didn't want me bad enough."
He's not doing this to make it look like Michigan pushed him out. He's doing this to try to get himself the best deal at Michigan and the best deal in the NFL so he can choose the deal that he wants and whichever one he takes he will say is where he wanted to be.
January 16th, 2024 at 8:06 PM ^
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