Michigan’s Mazi Smith was going 50 in a 25, had loaded gun and ammunition in pocket during traffic stop and arrest, records show
December 6th, 2022 at 3:03 PM ^
Not ideal
December 6th, 2022 at 3:08 PM ^
I am 43 years young... Have had a CPL for years several renewals. The biggest thing I take out of this entire thing is the difference form a traffic stop of myself a white male and that of a traffic stop of a 21 year old black male. Its striking. I would even claim my CPL has gotten me out of speeding tickets I probably deserved. The first thing I always say is my name is..... I have a CPL and I am either carrying and my gun is.... Or I am not carrying. This has happened minimum of 5 times and probably more as I come into contact with CO's quite frequently. I have never not even one time been asked to see the gun or how many rounds of ammo I am carrying etc. Typically all they ask is please keep your hands on the steering wheel where I can see them and we will be right back. Of course my hands are always there whether carrying or not. When they get back it almost always goes since you were so forthcoming about the CPL and gun we are giving you a warning have a good day! I do realize Mazi was missing the CPL but what a difference.... Sad...
December 6th, 2022 at 3:10 PM ^
I don't doubt the accuracy of this particular police report, but media outlets should know better than to use the words "records show" when it's more accurate to say "a police officer wrote."
December 6th, 2022 at 3:17 PM ^
I had a pretty scorching take last week for the AD not acting on this. I'll correct that with this detail - there's nothing to act on. The speeding is bad, no reason to drive 50 in a 25, especially in a residential area on a school day. He was right to be pulled over.
The gun charges? Complete bullshit. The weapon wasn't concealed, so no need for a CCP. You're allowed to carry ammunition - there is no limit for how much you can carry, either. He was arrested for "probable cause"? Probable cause for what? Doesn't there have to be some reason, or can we just say 'he might do something'? Because he's a black man? He wasn't angry, argumentative, high, drunk, or screaming around at 2:30AM - WTF does "probable cause" actually mean?
I will that there are better ways to carry a gun and ammo in a car. Yes, even going to a range! Keep it in the case, and already have it in the way back. But this whole arrest is bullshit.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:42 PM ^
"The weapon wasn't concealed, so no need for a CCP."
Under Michigan law, putting a gun in a vehicle makes it concealed, and there is no such thing as "open" carry inside a vehicle.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:18 PM ^
The gun charge is likely unconstitutional and he is innocent until proven guilty. Because this is a legal issue that doesn't involve any harm to another person the university should let it be handled by the legal system IMHO.
Driving 50 in a 25 is not great but it's speeding. In my neighborhood a neighbors son was doing 60 in a 25 and they gave him a warning.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:29 PM ^
Don't you have a social media platform to be running, Elon?
December 7th, 2022 at 1:07 AM ^
It’s not unconstitutional. No way. No how. The court has long ago ruled on these types of gun laws.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:21 PM ^
More bothered by the speeding than by the gun, in terms of danger to those around him, but carrying it loaded is dumb, unless you really are carrying.
Folks saying he may have been headed to/from a practice session, but bringing a loaded gun onto a shooting range is generally a big no no (this is not an oxymoron - safety rules at ranges are usually strict about ammo and gun not meeting until you’re at a bench and pointed down range). I guess that doesn’t apply if he’s just going plinking in the woods somewhere.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^
The news story has been revised to remove the reference to the gun being loaded.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:58 PM ^
In that case my concern is mostly limited to, “Slow down young man”.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:30 PM ^
"No Consequences" from a team/playing perspective is becoming increasing indefensible. 50 in a 25 is flat dangerous. In a residential neighborhood it's enormously irresponsible. And sorry if I missed it, but I see a lot of talk about "going to a gun range" making the ammunition quantity justifiable, but I don't see anything about that in the article.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:52 PM ^
Doesn't matter if he was going to the range or not. There's no law about how many rounds you can have in your possession.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:32 PM ^
Sick title. Might want to make it a little longer.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:41 PM ^
I'm glad we're getting to the bottom of this heinous crime. Real Rust Cohle Hours on this board
December 6th, 2022 at 3:44 PM ^
We had a saying during my youth: "Never break more than one law at a time".
If you are going to drive double the speed limit, make sure you are clean everywhere else, you know?
December 6th, 2022 at 9:05 PM ^
I challenge you to download that new babyface ray and play it loud as shit with your blick on you, and slide down Eisenhower. Until you've walked in those shoes shut it. 😅
December 6th, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^
I just saw a billboard for Babyface Ray this morning. It made me feel old that we are too far removed from when Babyface himself was popular.
Who is Babyface Ray?
December 6th, 2022 at 3:51 PM ^
He got arrested at 930am. Team flight left for Indiana at 3pm. He didn't have a driver's license on him. And you need a drivers license to go to a gun range. So doubtful he was going there.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:33 PM ^
"And you need a drivers license to go to a gun range"
No, you don't.
I shoot out at Sharonville several times a year. Only thing the DNR range officers check for is eye protection and ear plugs.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:47 PM ^
I'm sorry I took Valentis word for it, I know big mistake. But I really would of thought you would need some ID to at least verify you are of age. Sorry im not a gun guy.
December 6th, 2022 at 5:49 PM ^
There is no "of age" to shoot. I think my youngest was about 8 when he started going to the range.
Under 18 requires adult supervision, but they don't check unless you look under 18.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:55 PM ^
It really is amazing how quickly many fans will dismiss fact-based reporting that skews negative when it's about one of their own players; if this were about an MSU or OSU player, most of these same critics would be splashing it everywhere.
And the just general assumption that he was "going to gun range?" There is zero evidence this is true. He had an unlicensed Glock and 30 bullets in his pocket.
Note: If MLive added something to the top of an article, it isn't "sneaky."
December 6th, 2022 at 4:01 PM ^
“Unlicensed Glock” - thought it was the pending but not yet final concealed carry permit that was a problem, not anything about the gun itself.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:03 PM ^
I believe its been referred to as "legally owned" and "registered to Smith"
December 6th, 2022 at 4:05 PM ^
We don't license guns in Michigan.
MAZI was an unlicensed concealed carrier. The gun doesn't need a license.
December 6th, 2022 at 3:59 PM ^
All I read here is a kid speeding through a residential neighborhood (absent a medical emergency, don't do that), and carrying loaded (edit: unloaded, reportedly) without a permit in a state where a permit is required, with a relatively small amount of rounds if, especially if, he's on his way to/from a shooting club/range.
Work it out with the judge, get your CC papers, then know and obey the local regs wherever and whenever you carry going forward and *get us to 15-0*. That should suffice.
Note to Mazi. Don't repeat the above mistakes. If you do need to repeat a mistake, try the oddly amusing hammer to balls mistake, as that isn't a felony in any jurisdiction. 👍😉👍
(Edit: I was originally wrong in my original post, it was unloaded).
December 6th, 2022 at 4:12 PM ^
The gun wasn't loaded, but looks like the PR damage is done.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:46 PM ^
It wasn't loaded? Ugh, then he could have left it in a box in the trunk (assuming that's within regs in AA,MI) and just picked up a speeding citation. This poor kid is now caught in the legal machinery. Merde.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:48 PM ^
Hindsight is 20/20 amirite?
December 6th, 2022 at 6:19 PM ^
Yep, so does being old enough to know that that if it can go wrong, you need to change/behave in such a way that it can't go wrong.
December 6th, 2022 at 6:30 PM ^
Imagine if everyone never made a mistake world would be awesome man.
December 6th, 2022 at 8:15 PM ^
We can dream, can't we? 😁👍
December 7th, 2022 at 10:12 AM ^
Yeah, we'd live in a veritable Garden of Eden.
December 6th, 2022 at 4:31 PM ^
As some others have said, that's really not a lot of ammo. I am a CPL holder with 2 legal pistols, and within about 10 feet of me right now, I have that much ammo loaded into magazines and ready to go (Only after executing a practiced plan to get to the actual pistols which are locked up). I'm not really trying to defend my family if I have less than about 40-50 rounds ready to go. I've considered that number and thought that all hell will have broken loose if I ever had to pull off that many shots to defend the castle. On the other hand, no way in hell I'm going to get caught running out after 13 shots or so.
December 7th, 2022 at 2:54 AM ^
I know non prepper non militia gun people who will say that anything less than 5000 rounds is being nearly out of ammo.
December 6th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^
NOTHING BURGER with HATER TOTS.
We just won the Big Ten - back 2 back.
Go celebrate, quit "looking for" dirt at UM.
Go Blue!
December 6th, 2022 at 5:12 PM ^
Let the man live. This is an average trip to the filling station in the Midwest.
December 6th, 2022 at 5:34 PM ^
This is why everyone hates Toby.
December 6th, 2022 at 5:55 PM ^
why are you the way that you are?
December 6th, 2022 at 8:56 PM ^
Could not care less.
December 6th, 2022 at 9:02 PM ^
Extendo! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
December 7th, 2022 at 2:51 AM ^
If the gun was in clear view on his back seat then how was it concealed?