cleared him for playing, I imagine the NFL would too?
When he was at Michigan he wasnt being paid millions of dollars to play football. Sadly this will definitely, IMO, give some teams pause before drafting Mo. Not necessarily because of the financial risk his health may present but rather the potential that his condidtion could limit his longevity in the NFL going forward.
If you are being drafted in the 1st round, yes.
The last thing a team wants to do is waste a first round pick (trust me I know all about this being a fan of Cleveland) so taking Mo high in round one is a huge gamble if a year or two down the road he cant play anymore.
The biggest problem he's going to have IMO is simply doubt and fear on team's part over the worst case scenerio unfolding. If medically cleared he'll get drafted but make no mistake - but sadly this prolly will hurt how high he'll end up going.
Because they are so highly scrutinized. Bet he's off the board midway through round 2 though if he's cleared.
I'd be pretty upset if the Pats passed on him at 31, really upset if he was still available and they did so again at 43. The Pats could use him and obviously he's a legacy.
Why does Cleveland even show up to the draft at all?
that we are discussing longevity issues with "mGrowOld"
Subject-matter expert?
RD. 2 Detroit Lions. Ya I know I'm selfish, but love me some mo hurst. I pull for him to go in the first but man he is a steal in the second. As long as he does not go to Dallas or in the lions division, unless it is to the lions LOL.
I know from experience. When I played college football a good friend of mine, who was our punter, led the entire country in punting for 2 consecutive years. However, before his Senior year he tore the hamstring badly, in his non kicking leg. Didn't effect his punting at all as he still led the nation in punting average. The guy could flat boom the ball and kick it out of the stadium. Kicked for both distance and hang time. Best punter I ever saw.
However, at NFL camps he would be kicking the crap out of the ball, but when he went through medical evaluations that hamstring always tested weak and teams would cut him loose for that, even though it had no effect on his punting. So when you consider they would shy away from a punter, guess how hesitant they would be for a possible first round DL......
Too bad, I hope when he gets examined again they determine it is not that big of a deal and shouldn't effect his play.
I have to imagine longevity is at least part of the equation. I can't imagine SF was too happy when 3rd round pick Chris Borland willingly retired after one season to avoid head trauma.
athletic players have some degree of heart enlargement. The main concern is the function of the heart muscle. Some new surgery techniques can improve heart functions with those who have weakened heart muscles due to an enlarge heart. My guess is if Michigan did not feel it was detrimental to his health playing and that the heart function was fine, I think he will have a good 10-15 years playing all out in the NFL.
for the response. +1 for you.....
Had an irregular EKG, which is not normally used to detect enlarged heart. X-rays would show that. Not a doctor but both parents had serious heart issues include enlarged heart.
I don't believe that is accurate. Going from memory of news article so I could be wrong, but echo (an ultrasound of the heart) evaluated the hypertrophy and also noted that the amount of blood expelled from the part of the heart that supplies the body (left ventricle) was not as efficient as a normal heart.
ECHOcardiogram measures the plumbing, ELECTROcardiogram (EKG) measures the electricity-the rhythm of the heart.
Yes and no. Your statements are all correct, generally the ECHO looks at the plumbing with ultrasound and an EKG looks at the eletricity. However, there is one caveat, an EKG can also give you clues about an enlarged heart (though it wouldn't be the diagnostic gold standard).
My understanding was that he had an irregular rhythm detected on EKG and not cardiomyopathy. To answer what I think you were asking, it depends on the rhythm that was detected and it'd be difficult to say without seeing the tracing (or at least having much more info). It could be anything from completely benign to being at high risk for spontaneously developing a fatal arrythmia. An enlarged heart is a different ball of wax, though that can predispose to fatal arrythmias. Those are often the super athleets who fall over completely out of the blue (like Ryan Shay, the olympic level marathoner from northern Michigan). Take that with a grain of salt though, I'm a little kid doctor.
Ha, well played. That would be sweet, but I'm more like The Worlds Most Tallest Doctor from scrubs than Doogie Howser. Though (cool story bro trigger warning), one time when I was a senior resident, we were dealing with a very difficult situation. Essentially the patient's mom wanted to leave against medical advice and my intern and I were trying to explain that wasn't really an appropriate (or legal) option. The mom was piiiiisssssseeeeed, and was yelling at the intern, "get that other doctor Doogie Howser guy back in here, I'm going to call my lawyer!". That was fun night.
I endorse this post. Very well articulated and factually correct. With the limited information I have seen I would say that there is very little chance of this being a problem, which is why he was able to play at UM. The problem is are teams willing to take that risk when weighed against the millions of dollars they will pay him. It is a risk reward analysis that is required by the teams but with the medical assessment available to these teams should easily put teams minds at ease if the issue Mo has isn't life threatening.
does both EKG and echo-cardiogram at least once a year. I'm sure the team doctors knew about Hurst problem but it was deemed not to be much of a problem and he was cleared to play. My guess it is minor and he should have a great NFL career.
This will probably cost Mo some money but im hopeful this "drop" will lead him home to NE.
That's my logic: I've had an intermittent pain in my left shoulder for awhile, and I figure if I haven't died yet, it's probably nothing.
I'm guessing NFL teams will want their own evaluation before investing millions into a contract with him. I would assume UM had some very competent cardiologists available for Hurst, so unless something has changed (it definiately could), I would expect him to be cleared and participate in the pro day for scouts. Either way, hope for good health for him in his future.
I think he should be fine to play further. UofM hospital has the #10th ranked cardiology department in the entire country. So, if they are giving the next series of tests and have been the ones to have administered the previous tests, it looks good for Mo.
and can continue his career. He'd be a great ambassador for UM and the NFL as a whole.
Aside from that, I hope this puts to rest the false narrative of some who were trying to look for something wrong with UM's protocols. I know some are prone to jumping off cliffs at every opportunity but c'mon...
the use medical and arrest records, intelligence and drug test result issues to try and drive down the market price for player contracts.
great young man and one of our best.
Utah DL and Mgopodcast all pronunication team member Star Lotulelei had a similar issue and was still drafted first round. Hoping its similar for Mo.
Can someone with more technical football knowledge than I have explain how Hurst would translate in a 3-4? From my pedestrian understanding DT's in a 3-4 are typically more of the space-eating, run-stuffer type a la Wilfork...so just curious if he's a fit in a 3-4?
Asking as Giants fan who now sees an opportunity for him to fall to the early 2nd RD and the Gmen's new DC seems to favor the 3-4.
I'm not the expert you'd be looking for but I think its clear he'd really need to fit into the 4-3 with two tackles. You right that in the 3-4 there is a 310 lb ++ space eater which isn't Mo.
Doctor brother who is both a radiologist and a cardiologist. Though as an engineer, the physiology is very interesting.
That's an interesting combo, this is a bit of a thread hijack, but at this juncture I imagine it's probably OK. What was his path to cardiology and radiology? That's like 10 years of residency and fellowship training after medical school (assuming 3 for internal med, 3 for cardiology fellowship, then 4 for radiology residency). Does he actively practice both? Or was he a cardiologist who had a change of heart (zing!) and went into radiology?
He was first a radiologist and while doing so many procedures involving the heart and arteries throughout the body he decided to get his certification as a cardiologist. Yes, he reads charts and plans surgeries as well.
be one of those murmurs that some Docs will hear, and some won't, because they are subtle and difficult to hear... i'm not claiming to understand this, just been through it with both kids.
Per the news reports, they saw something notable on his EKG, so he had some sort of electrical disturbance (could've been an irregular beat, it could have been that the contraction of his heart had a weird pause in it, could've been that there was some concern for an enlarged heart, or a number of other things). Those subtle murmurs you mentioned are usually a "plumbing" issue where there's an audible flow either through something narrow or whooshing back through a valve (though often they're completely benign, as I hope they were for your kiddos).
Medical reports like this are a stumbling block to the stupid front offices, and an opportunity for the smart ones. A team with a high pick (generally because they suck year after year) who was considering drafting Mo will say to themselves, "phew, dodged a bullet." They will then draft their third bally-hooed, "franchise" QB in a row, and be mystified when that guy is out of football in 2 or 3 seasons.
Meanwhile a team with a playoff team's pick, who still seems to rebuild through the draft year after year (cough NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Baltimore, cough), will use the following thinking. If this guy stays healthy, we're getting a top-5 level player for a late first round pick. Meanwhile, if he doesn't stay healthy, we've only lost a late first round pick.