November 19th, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
But who else is credible at this point?
November 20th, 2011 at 12:00 AM ^
Well it definitely isn't a "national" championship when both teams come from the same conference. LSU already proved themselves superior to Bama (at Bama - no excuses), so it would be nice to see them play someone else.
In 2006, the two lines of thought were: no rematch, and you can't play in the NC if you didn't win your conference.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:06 AM ^
Kansas State wins 35-7 over Oklahoma in the Big12 championship game yet the sooners still play in the BCS Championship game.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:55 AM ^
Yes, someone also pointed out Nebraska in 2001 fit this criteria as well. That said, neither of those games were rematches of games played earlier in the season.
What I was pointing out, however, was that in 2006, the widespread opinion of the voters (likely influenced by an SEC media campaign to get Florida in the championship game) was that Michigan did not deserve a spot because they didn't win the Big 10 (despite their only loss being by 3 on the road to the #1 team in the country). Obviously, since 2006, the SEC has changed their tune.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:59 AM ^
furthermore, how great of a rematch would it have been in 2006... LSU - Alabama will probably be close the second time as well, but that will be b/c no one will score.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:44 AM ^
It would have been great for us, but we weren't the best two teams in the country. I hope everyone remembers how the national championship and Rose Bowl went that year.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
LSU plays Arkansas next week, while Alabama plays Auburn in the Iron Bowl. Nothing "sealed" yet.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:21 AM ^
If LSU lost to Arkansas, and Bama won, it would be interesting to see where LSU winds up in the rankings. Do you put them at #3 behind a team they already beat? LSU probably winds up in the championship game no matter what.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:02 AM ^
Better than a rematch IME.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:40 PM ^
Fuck them and every media member who rallied against UM-OSU rematch in 2006
November 19th, 2011 at 11:44 PM ^
You hit it right on the head.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:46 PM ^
I've been watching the games today dreading that Alabama comes out on top. Here's to hoping Oklahoma can pull it out at Baylor and end up leaping over them the same way Florida did with us in '06.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:51 PM ^
I dont think u can still complain about that. After the NC game it was clear neither UM nor OSU deserved to play in that game
November 19th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^
if our only loss was by 3 on the road at the #1 team in the country and we didn't get a rematch then nobody should get a rematch. No-bo-dy. Nobody!
November 20th, 2011 at 12:24 AM ^
That's a lame argument. Who else deserves to be in the championship game? It ain't LSU or Alabama's fault that the rest of the top 10 is self-destructing. The only thing you can argue now is LSU-Arkansas, and you get that game next week.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:36 AM ^
And as for LSU-Alabama we had that game a few weeks ago.
November 20th, 2011 at 7:52 AM ^
November 19th, 2011 at 11:57 PM ^
Your signature says it all.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:57 PM ^
It's pretty clear they're the best. I'd only be really pissed if LSU lost in the SEC championship and still got into the NC. That would be a similar situation. They played early in the season so it's only mildly infuriating instead of Why Crable Why level infuriating
November 20th, 2011 at 8:09 AM ^
November 19th, 2011 at 11:57 PM ^
Agreed/ Everyone who votes for Alabama this year and railed against us in '06 can go fuck themselves.
November 20th, 2011 at 8:37 AM ^
Except those people were right? OSU got destroyed and so did we. I have no problem with an "SEC bias", honestly. They have proven time and time again that they are the most dominant conference. It wasn't necessarily evident in 2006. It damn sure is now.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:48 AM ^
because had they voted for a rematch - which they really should have. Had USC won out there would have been no controversy, but there is no way they should have jumped Florida - none of this "Big Ten is the worst, most overrated conference ever!" mentality would have ever surfaced.
Michigan would have played OSU and the teams would have finished 1 and 2 in the rankings and no one would be any wiser that they were both frauds.
Couple that with Penn State beating Tennessee and Wisconsin beating Arkansas that year and you have the Big Ten with 3 teams in the Top 5 and two victories over the SEC's next best teams...yeah the Big Ten would have been known as the best conference in college football.
Instead, 32-11 and 41-14 happened.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:08 AM ^
LSU beat Alabama at Alabama. I know it was a close game. I know according to the "eye test" that they might appear like the two best teams. But LSU already proved they could beat them even at Alabama. It is the same argument I had against LSU replaying Oregon, who they smoked on a neurtral field.
Now if Michigan can lose a close game to OSU at OSU and not be rewarded with a rematch, even though according the to "eye test" they were the best two teams, then someone else should get a shot.
IMO, the MNC should be LSU (if they win out) against the next highest rated opponent that they haven't beat already. Be that Oklahoma, VT, Houston, I don't care, give some one a shot that hasn't proven that they will lose to LSU.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:09 PM ^
This SEC lovefest is making me sick. Yes, they are a very good football conference, but the only way to truly know this is for them to play other conferences. They don't. The Big12 imo is the best conference this year, and I don't think the B1G and Pac12 are as bad as everyone thinks.
If this comes to fruition, I will boycott watching the BCS title game by doing something particularly anti-SEC -- like reading a book.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^
A team that does not win its own conference...let alone play in their conference championship should no way in hell be able to play for the National Championship.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
They shouldn't. But they sometimes do. Remember Nebraska in 2001? They lost their final game to Colorado 62-36, didn't win or play for the Big 12 title, still went to the national championship game.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:53 PM ^
Wiki
Nebraska then fell to Miami 14-37 in the Rose Bowl, but the controversy of these events led to more modifications to the BCS formula, which followed a pattern of seasonal tweaks dating back nearly to when the BCS system was implemented.
So I am assuming the BCS changed their scoring system because of this...i wonder how much this effects the BCS scoring.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:57 PM ^
I believe the changes made to the BCS modified the credit a team receives for margin of victory, capping it at around 21 pts. The computers were giving too much credit to teams that were running up the score. I remember those loaded Miami teams mercilessly embarassing their opponents.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^
and got pounded my miami (ytm)
November 19th, 2011 at 11:47 PM ^
As much as I hate the SEC, and as much as I agree with what you are saying, who else is there... I hope somehow a #2 emerges that can even be argueably as good as Alabama. And even if Oklahoma wins, they aren't looking good.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:44 PM ^
Question: Doesn't both Oregon and Oklahoma losing increase our chances of a BCS bowl?
November 20th, 2011 at 12:01 AM ^
Oregon is still going to the Pac 12 CG (barring a shocking loss to Oregon State) to play an awful ASU team or an awful UCLA team, so the Oregon loss doesn't do a whole lot without other really surprising results.
The Oklahoma loss on the other hand is great, because the loser of Oklahoma State/Oklahoma is probably out now. I think at this point, beat OSU and we're in.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:44 PM ^
There are a couple weeks of games left and Ark @ LSU & Bama @ Auburn are next week.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
Woundn't a rematch (if lsu and alabama end up 1 and 2) in the nation title game be BAD for collage football?
Seems like I remeber someone saying this in 2006...
November 19th, 2011 at 11:46 PM ^
Not bad ...
Pac 12 should only get 1 with Oregon's 2nd loss
Big 12 only 1 with OkSt loss (and potential [probable?]) Oklahoma loss
November 20th, 2011 at 7:58 AM ^
If Oregon wins out they get the PAC 12 auto which leaves a one loss, top 5, Stanford (assuming they win out) as the likely second from the PAC 12. A long way to say, I don't think Oregon's loss necessarily means that the PAC 12 only get 1 into the BCS.
That being said, the OU/OSU Big 12 losses help our chance a lot. The non-auto will have at least 2 losses with one or two of the losses coming very late in the year.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:48 PM ^
I can't believe that i'm agreeing with Lou Holtz at this point, but if LSU beats Arkansas, then just give them the NC if you're going to re-match. They would have clearly demonstrated at that point they would be the best in the nation. If you're not going to give someone else a shot, then what the hell is the point. Also, the self-fufilling prophecy would be ridiculous; OMG SEC is the best because they win NC's! Let's put two SEC teams in the NC! OMG the SEC won another NC! OMG SEC is the best because they win NCs!
November 19th, 2011 at 11:53 PM ^
I laughed as I read your self-fulfilling prophecy... and I cried because of how realistic that narrative could be in a couple weeks.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:50 PM ^
You know who the happiest team in the land is this Saturday? Oklahoma State.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:11 AM ^
Not quite. Okie State needed oklahoma to win tonight. Now a victory in the bedlam game won't mean nearly as much.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:12 AM ^
I'm pretty sure that would be Arkansas/Va Tech. OSU still is pisssed over their loss last night.
November 20th, 2011 at 11:10 AM ^
Stanford will probably move up to 4th in the BCS rankings. So if they beat ND and LSU beats Arkansas, Stanford will probably end up 3rd in the BCS which guarantees them a BCS berth.
VaTech - they might be 5th in the rankings and can quietly start making talk about being in the BCS title should be beat Virginia and Clemson.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:51 PM ^
perhaps the 5 weeks of collective apathy leading up to the national championship game will remind people how stupid the bowl system is.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:58 PM ^
November 20th, 2011 at 8:33 AM ^
What if Ark beats LSU, which of Ark, LSU, and Bama goes to the SEC champ game? I believe the tie-break is highest BCS ranking. Let's say Ark beats LSU and jumps both teams in BCS rankings and then goes on to lose to Georgia in the SEC championship- then what happens? LSU and Bama could still potentially end up #1 and #2 and play each other in the MNC while neither of them even won the SEC West, let alone the SEC. The BCS is stupid.
November 19th, 2011 at 11:58 PM ^
Oklahoma choke job.
Fcuk Oklahoma (and the Big 12 for that matter).
As we learned from the Nebraska experience today: they're just not that good.
November 20th, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^
Calls the timeout, tempting the 2nd-most electrifying player to run down the field and deny them overtime.
Big Game Bob