[LOCKED] Urban Meyer Endorses Presidential Candidate

Submitted by Space Coyote on

I'm going into this knowing full well that I'm very much [not] toeing the "no politics" line*, so I'm going to actually somewhat try to stay away from the actual politics with this and just focus on the fact.

Urban Meyer has endorsed a political candidate. LINK

This comes on the heals of him saying it was "in appropriate" for a football coach to take such a public stance on politics. I personally think people have a right to say as much or as little as they want publically (that's not saying it belongs here, this place has rules), that's a personal decision, in a vacuum, I have no issue with Meyer endorsing someone. But it's really difficult for me to see the benefit for Meyer here outside of maybe getting his candidate a few more votes (in my opinion, former coach Jim Tressel's opinion on politics likely still holds more weight with OSU fans due to how he's perceived by their fans).

Now, a few things. This is a bit of a safe endorsement for Meyer. He's endorsing the guy from his state, that has is at least on the correct side of the right/left debate for many of the states he recruits. He's also endorsing perhaps the most moderate candidate in the field (this isn't an endorsement of that being a good or bad thing, just a historical fact of this candidates stances), and also a candidate that hasn't really angered anyone to the extent that every other candidate has. In essense, this is a very non-offensive candidate to endorse that may be perceived as good in his own state.

But again, where's the benefit? From my experience, taking a strong stance on politics outside of politics rarely has benefit. People that agree with you just agree with you and move on. People that disagree with you, which are potentially anyone from recruits, recruit's parents, to boosters and fans, may hold it against you to some degree. My feeling is that it's very little in the long run, but really, people are quite crazy about politics. 

So I think it's an interesting thing to do, especially given the fact that he had earlier said it wasn't appropriate for his job (despite my belief that people have every right to endorse someone, I tend to agree that it's to a head coach's benefit to not discuss politics, or in other words, it isn't appropriate for the end goal of his job). The fact that it is likely someone on the opposite side of the aisle than most of his players and player's parents is perhaps interesting.

Discuss?

*Apparently I've been using the idiom "toe the line" incorrectly for much of my life.

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MichiganStephen

March 11th, 2016 at 8:43 AM ^

With his own back yard being a hotly contested swing state, he's going to perturb a large percentage of voters regardless of who he endorses. Seems counterproductive.

Darker Blue

March 11th, 2016 at 8:44 AM ^

Space Coyote, 

you are hands down, one of the finest posters on MGoBlog. I appreciate 99.9% of everything you take the time and effort to write up. 

That being said, Negged for No Politics. 

And Urban can make like a tree and fuck off. 

Space Coyote

March 11th, 2016 at 8:53 AM ^

And put the focus more on the impact on Meyer and OSU because of Meyer engaging in politics. I very much stayed away from saying my perception of good/bad and right/wrong as far as political stances are concerned, and stuck more to the objective facts of the matter rather than get into the subjective areas of politics that become heated.

If I wasn't successful in doing so, I apologize. But the intention was to focus on what this means for Meyer and OSU by getting involved in politics, not the actual politics (though, admittingly, I delved a bit into it with saying it is likely the opposite side of what many of his players and player's parents believe , but again, that's just a fact and not in any way an endorsement one way or the other).

Space Coyote

March 11th, 2016 at 9:08 AM ^

So yes, I think it's my right to justify it. The intent of the "NO POLITICS" stance here is the actual discussion of politics, because that's when things get heated. I haven't endorsed or taken any political stance or candidate, therefore, there are no politics to actually argue about with the OP. If people veer that direction, then yes, that's an issue, but this topic at hand is about politics in and of itself and their impact on a coach and program. It doesn't matter if he endorsed Bernie, Clinton, Trump, Rubio, or Cruz, the end question is still the same. So the subjective nature of the politics is irrelevent to the discussion, and doesn't need to be addressed.

So I feel I've meant the intent of the "no politics" rule by avoiding the politics in and of themselves and focusing on the effects of politics, regardless of political leanings and stances.

The fact that apparently so many people are afraid to have a civil conversation about something that doesn't require the discussion of political views seems like a way too strict stance on the rule. This is, first and foremost, a discussion about sports, not the politics. The fact that it actually happened, it's a fact, and isn't some endorsement or pull for political leanings, reinforces that.

nogit

March 11th, 2016 at 9:47 AM ^

He's saying "the coach of our #1 rival did something significant. What is the effect of this action vis a vis fooball recruiting? Does this make the coach look hypocritical given his previous statements? " The fact that the action in question was political does not make these questions political. That being said, I'd say it's pretty likely that other posters are going to carry this across the line.

ScruffyTheJanitor

March 11th, 2016 at 8:54 AM ^

I would have ZERO problem with an athlete (even a college one) endorsing or campaiging for a candidate (even if I won't care). Urban Meyer, however, is a state employee (which makes it a little... uncomfortable) and also is taking the chance that it will alter his perception. He has more to loose and less to gain by publicly endorsing someone. 

However, I think it's probably not a big deal unless he actually stumps for him. 

FreddieMercuryHayes

March 11th, 2016 at 8:47 AM ^

Meyer is a very successful head coach at Ohio State. Endorsement won't hurt him; in fact it may help him considering a lot of people in Ohio like Kasich. And besides, Meyer is so popular he could walk into the street and shoot someone and Ohio State fans would still love him. Wait...hmm...maybe he would be a better match for a different presidential candidate.



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ScruffyTheJanitor

March 11th, 2016 at 8:50 AM ^

I mean: they are both Buckeyes, and that will mean a lot to the die hards.

Still, If I were a coach and someone asked me who I'd vote for, I'd just laugh. Football is just football. I don't want my coach to endorse someone anymore than I want a candidate deciding who coaches my favorite team. 

Space Coyote

March 11th, 2016 at 8:56 AM ^

Really, I'm of the opinion that a football coach is likely less informed about political stances than most other people that make endorsements. 

I also just think it's a zero sum move. It has little to no upside, and has much more potential down side. And to me, as a coach making an endorsement, he's bringing politics into the work place, which is often times seen as a no no. I tend to prefer my coaches coach football, vote and support who they want, sure, but don't bring it public.

Just found it to be an interesting move. Don't think many other college football coaches would make an endorsement.

trueblueintexas

March 11th, 2016 at 10:26 AM ^

I think this is true in general, but it is different when the candidate is from your own state competing at a national level. Any other situation, and I agree. With this particular set of circumstances (which covers many aspects which I will not get into due to no politics), I think it is in Urban's best interest to show he supports the local guy who could use the support. He will get more goodwill endorsing than leaving it for people to wonder why he didn't.

The Mad Hatter

March 11th, 2016 at 8:54 AM ^

Kasich is not going to be the nominee and he may not even win his home state.

I'd personally never vote for him, not only because he took a gigantic shit on unions, but because he's from Ohio.  And Fuck Ohio.

BursleyBaitsBus

March 11th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^

Isn't he also one of the few Republicans that actually followed through on cutting funds to Planned Parenthood? I hope Ohio hospitals like their zygotes/fetuses with coat hangers and blood because back alley abortions are on gonna be making a return. Out of all the issues in this country PP is the real nightmare. #logic Yet at the end of the day, at least Urban didn't endorse Trump like Mike Ditka's dumbass. That's a positive.

The Mad Hatter

March 11th, 2016 at 10:23 AM ^

I watched him dpeak for about 30 mins for the first time on Tues night.  I don't agree with much of what he says, but I now understand his appeal with certain demographics.  If he keeps speaking the same way and doesn't tone it down during the general to sound Presidential, I think he has a damn decent shot at winning.

M-Dog

March 11th, 2016 at 8:56 AM ^

Ohio State gets a lot of funding from the state of Ohio.  Endorsing the governor of Ohio seems like an expedient move to me.

Meyer is a chameleon.  Rest assured that if he was still at FL he would be endorsing Rubio.

 

 

mh277907

March 11th, 2016 at 8:58 AM ^

The Meyers and the Kasichs are pretty good friends so that may have something to do with it. Also, Trump said publically the other day that Urban has said some nice words about him in the past. Endorsing another candidate just to distance yourself from Trump seems excessive and unnecessary but who knows. 

gopoohgo

March 11th, 2016 at 9:22 AM ^

Heard something like almost 80% of Ohio voters had a favorable opinion of Kasich.

This has like zero risk for Urban Meyer.  If as a private citizen he wants to endorse someone (and the associated pitchforks/crap that it may entail), that's his 1st Amendment right.

bacon

March 11th, 2016 at 9:23 AM ^

I think I speak for the vast majority of mgoblogers in saying that, regardless of political affiliation, one thing that we can all agree on is that Urban Meyer can go fuck himself. Doesn't matter if he's endorsing a political my candidate, your candidate, the candidate from his state, the candidate from the moon, or even just walking down the street not endorsing anyone. Urban Meyer can go fuck himself.

2Blue4You

March 11th, 2016 at 9:30 AM ^

Urban eyer endorses the same guy that eliminated his last initial?

Ohio certainly has a mob mentality. Whatever Urbz says he will have a couple million Buckeyes lemmings following him off that cliff.



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Perkis-Size Me

March 11th, 2016 at 9:43 AM ^

Meyer is one of the few coaches that can do and say what he wants and it makes no difference to his fans. I don't mean that as a bad thing, necessarily. He's essentially earned that right.

While I probably would've steered clear of the conversation to begin with, if Meyer did have to endorse someone, he probably made the safest choice with picking the moderate candidate from Ohio. Picking other candidates in the field may have struck a nerve with a few more fans otherwise.



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Denard P. Woodson

March 11th, 2016 at 9:45 AM ^

Living here, I can tell you that most teachers in Ohio DO NOT like Kasich.  He's fairly polerizing.  I'm not sure why a coach would endorse anyone.  Seems like only downside here.  

Not a smart move by a usually calculating coach.

mgobleu

March 11th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^

Pretty safe, saying he endorses the governor of his home state. Probably says quite little about him politically, if you ask me. Either way, a public figure endorsing any politician is a sure-fire way to alienate a whole bunch of people, but huge personality guys like Meyer and Harbaugh probably don't care what you or I think, they are who they are unapologetically.

maizenbluenc

March 11th, 2016 at 9:47 AM ^

is a nautical term which has become an idiomatic expression meaning following the rules. It is based from a naval tradition: when sailors lined up for quarters, they would all line up with their toes along the same seam in the deck planking. (Sailors being less rigid than their Marine brethren needed the visual guide.)

So Space, you probably should have said "getting close to the line" instead.