[LOCKED] Urban Meyer Endorses Presidential Candidate
I'm going into this knowing full well that I'm very much [not] toeing the "no politics" line*, so I'm going to actually somewhat try to stay away from the actual politics with this and just focus on the fact.
Urban Meyer has endorsed a political candidate. LINK
This comes on the heals of him saying it was "in appropriate" for a football coach to take such a public stance on politics. I personally think people have a right to say as much or as little as they want publically (that's not saying it belongs here, this place has rules), that's a personal decision, in a vacuum, I have no issue with Meyer endorsing someone. But it's really difficult for me to see the benefit for Meyer here outside of maybe getting his candidate a few more votes (in my opinion, former coach Jim Tressel's opinion on politics likely still holds more weight with OSU fans due to how he's perceived by their fans).
Now, a few things. This is a bit of a safe endorsement for Meyer. He's endorsing the guy from his state, that has is at least on the correct side of the right/left debate for many of the states he recruits. He's also endorsing perhaps the most moderate candidate in the field (this isn't an endorsement of that being a good or bad thing, just a historical fact of this candidates stances), and also a candidate that hasn't really angered anyone to the extent that every other candidate has. In essense, this is a very non-offensive candidate to endorse that may be perceived as good in his own state.
But again, where's the benefit? From my experience, taking a strong stance on politics outside of politics rarely has benefit. People that agree with you just agree with you and move on. People that disagree with you, which are potentially anyone from recruits, recruit's parents, to boosters and fans, may hold it against you to some degree. My feeling is that it's very little in the long run, but really, people are quite crazy about politics.
So I think it's an interesting thing to do, especially given the fact that he had earlier said it wasn't appropriate for his job (despite my belief that people have every right to endorse someone, I tend to agree that it's to a head coach's benefit to not discuss politics, or in other words, it isn't appropriate for the end goal of his job). The fact that it is likely someone on the opposite side of the aisle than most of his players and player's parents is perhaps interesting.
Discuss?
*Apparently I've been using the idiom "toe the line" incorrectly for much of my life.
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Space Coyote,
you are hands down, one of the finest posters on MGoBlog. I appreciate 99.9% of everything you take the time and effort to write up.
That being said, Negged for No Politics.
And Urban can make like a tree and fuck off.
And put the focus more on the impact on Meyer and OSU because of Meyer engaging in politics. I very much stayed away from saying my perception of good/bad and right/wrong as far as political stances are concerned, and stuck more to the objective facts of the matter rather than get into the subjective areas of politics that become heated.
If I wasn't successful in doing so, I apologize. But the intention was to focus on what this means for Meyer and OSU by getting involved in politics, not the actual politics (though, admittingly, I delved a bit into it with saying it is likely the opposite side of what many of his players and player's parents believe , but again, that's just a fact and not in any way an endorsement one way or the other).
this is so blatently out of bounds, and then you attempt to justify it ? No politics means means NO POLITICS.
Go Blue!
So yes, I think it's my right to justify it. The intent of the "NO POLITICS" stance here is the actual discussion of politics, because that's when things get heated. I haven't endorsed or taken any political stance or candidate, therefore, there are no politics to actually argue about with the OP. If people veer that direction, then yes, that's an issue, but this topic at hand is about politics in and of itself and their impact on a coach and program. It doesn't matter if he endorsed Bernie, Clinton, Trump, Rubio, or Cruz, the end question is still the same. So the subjective nature of the politics is irrelevent to the discussion, and doesn't need to be addressed.
So I feel I've meant the intent of the "no politics" rule by avoiding the politics in and of themselves and focusing on the effects of politics, regardless of political leanings and stances.
The fact that apparently so many people are afraid to have a civil conversation about something that doesn't require the discussion of political views seems like a way too strict stance on the rule. This is, first and foremost, a discussion about sports, not the politics. The fact that it actually happened, it's a fact, and isn't some endorsement or pull for political leanings, reinforces that.
Its all good my friend.
No apologies needed.
March 11th, 2016 at 10:10 AM ^
Upvoted this purely for the tail end Boondock Saints quote
Eh, movie/tv stars and musicians do this all the time and no one seems to think it's an issue. Don't see why it's a big deal at all.
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I would have ZERO problem with an athlete (even a college one) endorsing or campaiging for a candidate (even if I won't care). Urban Meyer, however, is a state employee (which makes it a little... uncomfortable) and also is taking the chance that it will alter his perception. He has more to loose and less to gain by publicly endorsing someone.
However, I think it's probably not a big deal unless he actually stumps for him.
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I mean: they are both Buckeyes, and that will mean a lot to the die hards.
Still, If I were a coach and someone asked me who I'd vote for, I'd just laugh. Football is just football. I don't want my coach to endorse someone anymore than I want a candidate deciding who coaches my favorite team.
Really, I'm of the opinion that a football coach is likely less informed about political stances than most other people that make endorsements.
I also just think it's a zero sum move. It has little to no upside, and has much more potential down side. And to me, as a coach making an endorsement, he's bringing politics into the work place, which is often times seen as a no no. I tend to prefer my coaches coach football, vote and support who they want, sure, but don't bring it public.
Just found it to be an interesting move. Don't think many other college football coaches would make an endorsement.
March 11th, 2016 at 10:26 AM ^
but, I think football coaches should stick to football.
should do whatever the hell they want within the parameters of the law, reguardless of profession.
James Joseph Harbaugh on Tuesday. He didn't win :( #Murica
Excellent, now I know who to not vote for. Now its just between a giant douche and a turd sandwich....
Kasich is not going to be the nominee and he may not even win his home state.
I'd personally never vote for him, not only because he took a gigantic shit on unions, but because he's from Ohio. And Fuck Ohio.
But may other people do. Like your mother, for example.
And please say Hi to your wife and my kids for me.
March 11th, 2016 at 10:10 AM ^
He spent a lot of time and money in Michigan and still came in third. I hope people are finally starting to wake up in our state.
Bern Baby Bern!
March 11th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^
March 11th, 2016 at 10:23 AM ^
I watched him dpeak for about 30 mins for the first time on Tues night. I don't agree with much of what he says, but I now understand his appeal with certain demographics. If he keeps speaking the same way and doesn't tone it down during the general to sound Presidential, I think he has a damn decent shot at winning.
March 11th, 2016 at 10:22 AM ^
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Ohio State gets a lot of funding from the state of Ohio. Endorsing the governor of Ohio seems like an expedient move to me.
Meyer is a chameleon. Rest assured that if he was still at FL he would be endorsing Rubio.
The Meyers and the Kasichs are pretty good friends so that may have something to do with it. Also, Trump said publically the other day that Urban has said some nice words about him in the past. Endorsing another candidate just to distance yourself from Trump seems excessive and unnecessary but who knows.
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UNWELCOME, KTHX- Politics
I don't think I want Mean Joe teaching Harbaugh ANYTHING.
I know the Hatch Act does not apply to Urban, but it may be a helpful framework for discussion and may keep the thread non-political.
It doesn't matter that no one will ever know whether or not it was true, because there are only positive outcomes for him if he says it.
/s
Heard something like almost 80% of Ohio voters had a favorable opinion of Kasich.
This has like zero risk for Urban Meyer. If as a private citizen he wants to endorse someone (and the associated pitchforks/crap that it may entail), that's his 1st Amendment right.
I think I speak for the vast majority of mgoblogers in saying that, regardless of political affiliation, one thing that we can all agree on is that Urban Meyer can go fuck himselfNow THIS is a position that can unify the country!
Ohio certainly has a mob mentality. Whatever Urbz says he will have a couple million Buckeyes lemmings following him off that cliff.
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While I probably would've steered clear of the conversation to begin with, if Meyer did have to endorse someone, he probably made the safest choice with picking the moderate candidate from Ohio. Picking other candidates in the field may have struck a nerve with a few more fans otherwise.
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Living here, I can tell you that most teachers in Ohio DO NOT like Kasich. He's fairly polerizing. I'm not sure why a coach would endorse anyone. Seems like only downside here.
Not a smart move by a usually calculating coach.
March 11th, 2016 at 10:58 AM ^
Unintended irony.
is a nautical term which has become an idiomatic expression meaning following the rules. It is based from a naval tradition: when sailors lined up for quarters, they would all line up with their toes along the same seam in the deck planking. (Sailors being less rigid than their Marine brethren needed the visual guide.)
So Space, you probably should have said "getting close to the line" instead.