Let’s play Explain the Fumble!

Submitted by Class of 1817 on December 3rd, 2023 at 2:17 AM

We won handily, as expected, and we are, by every metric (including the final score), the better team who will win this matchup 100/100 times. Let’s get the foregone conclusions established and out of the way.

I have never seen a fumble recovery be credited so long after a blown whistle. Seeing the ref clearly calling the play dead and Wallace casually tossing the ball to the ref as an afterthought…great for Michigan…but constituting as recovery possession…post-whistle?

But has anyone ever seen non-personal foul conduct post a whistled dead ball like that?

Please discuss.

I hope we draw the Noles, but I’m annoyed we may draw the Tide. Doesn’t matter.

Hail. 

DennisFranklinDaMan

December 3rd, 2023 at 9:51 AM ^

That's not quite as clear as you make it sound. If the whistle hadn't blown, players would have been running at the ball and lunging at it. Not sitting back and letting the ball gently bounce into his arms. It's a different experience trying to jump on a bouncing football, and many many's the time the ball continues to squirt away. 

In other words, just because we ended up with the ball well after the whistle blew, doesn't actually mean we definitely would have done so had it not.

But I'm glad we did!

LeCheezus

December 3rd, 2023 at 8:46 AM ^

It was a pretty fortunate call and review.  Generally, I thought the game was pretty poorly/unevenly officiated on both sides, although since that fumble call was so big due to field position, we probably came out ahead.  I could not believe the holding call on Trente Jones was called based on the last few weeks, but whatever.  At least they finally started calling false starts on OT's for jumping a half beat early.

Hensons Mobile…

December 3rd, 2023 at 8:58 AM ^

Fox was dreadful last night. Their commercials were out of control. This entire situation played out during an ad break, and they ended up having to try to clean it up on the broadcast over three separate segments (the play, then before the TD, then after the kickoff, all with ads in between).

Klatt said obvi fumble, not obvi recovery. Blandino (10 minutes later when they got him on screen) said the opposite.

As for yours truly, I don't think either was obvious. I do side more with Klatt; looked like a fumble but the recovery call was dicey. I completely understand that the ball bounced right to Wallace and no one else was even near the ball and wasn't really on top of the ball when it hit the ground. But the ref blew the whistle immediately. No one made any kind of play to get to the ball or follow the ball as it headed toward Wallace, who was still upright when the caught it, meaning that without a whistle the play would still be live with Iowa pursuing the ball and Wallace.

The refs presumed way too much, IMO, about what would or would not have happened without a whistle. It didn't ultimately impact the outcome (in that we would have won the game anyway, let's be real) but no question it gave us a barely earned TD that put us up three scores, effectively ending the game, because it's Iowa.

m1jjb00

December 3rd, 2023 at 9:10 AM ^

Does it matter in your evaluation that Wallace picked the ball up and immediately handed it to the official, and didn't joyously run to the sidelines to get his buffs pic?

EastCoast Esq.

December 3rd, 2023 at 9:12 AM ^

I disagree with everybody saying Wallace was almost guaranteed to recover it regardless. How many times have we seen defenders have trouble securing fumbles in the heat of the game? How many players would've flung themselves at the ball to try to make it harder to recover?

As we know, a football is hard to recover when you have heavy padding on.

Was it the right call anyway given past precedent? I don't know, but it's not clear to me that Wallace would've recovered the ball if it was live.

 

EDIT: To be clear, I'm talking to the people who do say it was almost guaranteed, not the people who say it was likely.

Macenblu

December 3rd, 2023 at 9:17 AM ^

It was a horribly officiated play.  When it happened live I immediately said “that’s a fumble”.  On replay I still say it was a fumble.  The reason I say it was horribly officiated is that if me thinking it was a fumble watching it live then they NEVER should have blown the play dead in the first place.  You let it play itself out and then if you believe it was a forward pass you would go back and correct that aspect of the ruling.  However, once they did blow it dead I’m truly not sure that it was a “clear and immediate recovery” as the recovery happened at least 2 seconds after the initial whistle.  And, as others have said, the whole thing was made more confusing by FOX doing a full 4 minute commercial while this was all being sorted out.

jpo

December 3rd, 2023 at 9:21 AM ^

I dunno. The Tide needed a miracle just two weeks ago to knock off a mediocre Auburn team, and FSU’s defense looks legit. I’m not sure I wouldn’t rather play Alabama, especially if FSU gets a month to sort out their QB situation. 

TheBlueAbides

December 3rd, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^

Clearly the Blue Wall caused that fumble, a call was placed allowing us to cheat, idk something like that, but that was a wild call and Iowa fans could be mad about it although the only thing it took from them was another chance to see their punter

Durham Blue

December 3rd, 2023 at 10:11 AM ^

I thought Deacon Hill's arm was going forward and it should've been an incomplete pass.  But that matters not.  Michigan's D line was so disruptive of what Hill was trying to do that I firmly believe we would've got to him again.  I thought it was cute that the Fox guys were all excited about a game at halftime.  Iowa was not going to score points in that game. 

brad

December 3rd, 2023 at 11:26 AM ^

Having seen similar situations in the past, probably in the NFL though, I would have expected the refs to explain that it was a fumble but the play was blown dead prior to a recovery, so they treat it like a fumble rolling out of bounds and leave it in Iowa's possession, and then spot the ball at the point of the fumble.

I'm not apologizing for the call and will take a ref-makes-up-the-rules call in our favor all day.  Just really surprised they gave us the ball there.

Kinnie

December 3rd, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^

Easy call.  His arm wasn’t going forward when the ball got knocked out he was turning the ball  in his hand to prepare to throw it and arm was going up not forward.  And then we picked it up. Doesn’t matter that there was an incorrect whistle.