Kelly to Notre Dame suggested by semi-legit source
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 PM ^
Also:
Belichick and the ghosts of V. Lombardi, Bill Walsh and Bear Bryant.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^
Ditka or, if that falls through, a hurricane named Ditka
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:45 PM ^
"OFFICIAL" and "semi-legitimate source" kinda conflict with one another, now don't they?
Sorry bud, Kelly may ultimately become ND's coach. But when it happens, I doubt the official announcement will come from some semi-legit place.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:59 PM ^
But it is not true. There isn't a contradiction if the source is saying "it's offical" but the source is only semi-legit.
In this case though, I don't believe the source has said it is official, only likely. So in this case the poster is only semi-legit.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 PM ^
Agreed. Which is why the subject of my post was "Your thread title".... to indicate my point was about the OP, not the source or article itself.
(Take note that he has since changed the title.)
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:27 PM ^
What I am saying is that it would not be contradictory if the source actually said that it was official. The "official" is describing whether Kelly has made an official statement as to whether he accepted the job. The "semi-legit" is describing the source from which the news has come. They can't contradict when they are describing two different things.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:08 PM ^
Although in my own defense, I said they "kinda conflict," which is a bit more grey (intentionally so) than saying they are contradictory.
Maybe I should've played it safe and just said that the OP's original title was inaccurate. Or that it sucked. Or something along those lines.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:07 AM ^
That is always a safe one. +1 to you
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 PM ^
I still don't understand why some people are so terrified of Kelly going to ND. Can someone help me out here?
First of all, there are about 4 or 5 other coaches who would be more frightening to me. This includes Meyer, Stoops, Carrol, Saban, and maybe a few others.
I'm not saying that Kelly is not a good coach by any means. But I am not 100% sold that he is going to turn ND back into some sort of juggernaut.
All those Michigan fans, like myself, that are pretty disappointed with the progress that RR has made in two years should realize that Kelly might have it just as hard. Sure, the regime change will not be as extreme as it was here. But, I think our program was in better shape when RR stepped in than ND will be when Kelly gets there.
Do I think RR is the right man for the job? Yes, I do. Could Kelly be the right man for the ND job? Sure he can. But I'm definitely not shaking in my boots.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 PM ^
I think ND has a deeper and more well developed talent pool than we had when RR took over. I think that's the biggest part of the reason it's taken him so long (relatively) to get anything going.
I don't think there was enough here to work with.
And I think ND has it.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 PM ^
especially considering that Kelly is more of an offensive coach and Notre Dame's problems lie more on the defense.
That said, he will probably be able to construct Notre Dame's offense into a "scoring machine" quickly as he will alter his offense based upon the strengths of his players. Plus, Notre Dame's offense currently similar to New England's where it is a "pro-style spread" for lack of a better term. Kelly would not have to wait a couple of years to get all the players he needs to run the offense he wants.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:24 PM ^
You asked why people are so scared of Kelly as coach? He has succeeded everywhere he's been. He's had exactly ONE losing season in his entire college head coaching career and that was his first year with a TERRIBLE Central team. Last I checked Coach Rod had more losing seasons here than Kelly has ever let alone in his past.
Please don't take this as passing judgment on Coach Rod because I'm all in. I have, however, witnessed first hand at GVSU as well as at Central the job Kelly has done in the past. I can almost guarantee that if he takes the ND job success won't be far behind.
Let's just look at his Cincinnati resume:
He takes over at the end of the 06 season and wins the bowl game with players he hardly knows.
In 07 they go 10-3 in his first full season. In 08 they go 11-3 despite losing three QBs to injury and lost the Orange Bowl.
They are currently unbeaten after losing 10 defensive starters from the previous year and on the verge of another BCS bid with an outside shot at the NC. And btw, he's accomplished this finishing at the bottom of the Big East in recruiting (based on rankings) let alone national recruiting.
That's why myself and others don't want him at ND let alone anywhere in the midwest. Despite the above word is that many Irish fans are skeptical of him. Good. Short of Urban Meyer I'd rather have anyone take over other than Kelly.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:04 PM ^
Cosigned
I've said this before, but it's especially scary how he finds/develops his QBs. Cullen Finnerty, who won two or three NCs at DII Grand Valley is in the NFL, then he recruited Dan LeFevour at Central. When he came to Cinci, Tony Pike was 5th string or something like that. Pike would be a heisman finalist if he had been healthy all year. I, too, am terrified of the idea of Brian Kelly at ND
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 PM ^
Pike was a freshman when Kelly took over, so fifth string doesn't mean he was terrible, just not ready. And he's had a pretty damn good qb in front of him too.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 PM ^
Because none of the other guys you mention are leaving their jobs...
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 PM ^
Not really sure why this would cause any panic. Yes, B. Kelly is a good coach. I hate to break it to anyone who goes running for the hills over this but whether it is Kelly or someone else, ND will end up with a good coach. Regardless of their past few years . . . ok, decades . . . head coach at ND is still one of the most prestigious coaching jobs out there.
So yes, if they get Kelly, they probably return to some degree of dominance in a year or so. Good. I am tired of the UM/ND game being considered a second fiddle match up. I am also tired of our crappy out of conference schedule, and would be excited to see us consistently go up against an elite non-B10 program much like OSU goes up against USC or Texas.
Also, for those out there who will be upset if this turns out to be true because they harbored secret hopes of us getting Kelly, please tell me why you think that Kelly's resume is any better than RR's pre-Michigan resume.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:18 PM ^
It's not true that ND automatically ends up with a great coach. Just look at Weis!
The reason Kelly is terrifying is that he is a proven commodity at the college level. He turned GVSU into the dominant program at D2, won the MAC with Central in his second year I think, has a Big East title and is currently undefeated and favored to win a second Big East title at Cincinnati in his 3rd and 4th years. If it weren't for the rarity of 3 other BCS undefeateds and a mid major ranked of his team, he'd be contending for a national title at a school with no practice facility and a stadium that seats under 40k.
Give that dude Notre Dame's resources and he'll build a monster. Our best case scenario in that situation is that he has NFL dreams and is gone in 3/4 years. Best case scenario with Not Kelly (or any of the pipe dream candidates) is they hire some kind of coordinator who may turn out to be stupid like Weis. Of the coordinators who have been bandied about by the media and aren't coaches in waiting at premier football schools (Muschamp) only Charlie Strong is concerning to me. And he's black, so I doubt ND hires him.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^
ND didn't land a good coach in its last three searches, so I wouldn't assume one is guaranteed this time around. If they don't land Kelly, they could well end up holding the bag again.
As for Kelly's resume not being better than RR's, I agree, but the fact that they're even comparable makes me uneasy. I don't want ND landing a hot coaching name.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 PM ^
Did we learn nothing from semi official announcemnts, media outlets with unethical, or nonexistent credentials?
Two years, ago I think it was semi official that Miles was the Head Coach at Michigan. Even a major media source broke news of it on their headline college football program.
This may be true, and it does make a ton of sense. I don't get worked up over any rumors anymore that aren't announced by the university.
I'm also of thinking a good Notre Dame is good for the Big 10. Makes our wins look better, and makes the midwest more palatable for recruits.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 PM ^
700 WLW, a radio station in Cin., just said that they had word that Kelly signed a contract extension at Cin. this afternoon.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 PM ^
Do you have a link or any more details? He's already on contract until 2013.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 PM ^
The ND fans posting after the article don't even believe the writer. Not legit enough when you state you only got this info from a "credible source" near the program. How the hell do we know its credible?
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 PM ^
a source told me that irishcentral.com may not be a very reputable website. but then another source told me that said source may not know what he is talking about. both of these sources are legit and credible so i am very confused. i'm looking for another source to set me straight.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:01 PM ^
a big east coach known as an offensive guru with suspect defense? stop me when you've heard it before.
im clearly not shaking in my boots.
it will be interesting, however fair or not, the comparisons between kelly and rr and how kelly's (if he is indeed hired) first year will go when juxtaposed with rr's first year.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 PM ^
Rodriguez had a suspect defense at WVU?
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 PM ^
his defenses were ranked good to pretty good while playing in a middling big east conference. his defenses at michigan, however, are a different story.
without flaming the fires magnus, since i know you're not happy either, rodriguez is known as an offensive genius but the jury is still out on what his defenses will look like.
likewise, kelly got in shootouts with big east powerhouses like uconn where the score was something like 121-99.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 PM ^
There is no comparison. Kelly or whoever ends up accepting the ND job will have a 5-star junior (redshirt sophomor) QB as their starter with Crist (spelling?). Also, ND's entire roster is made up of largely 4 and 5 start prospects, and is composed of a large number of juniors and senious on BOTH sides of the ball. RR came in with Sheridan as his QB, and then a true freshman in Tate, with an O-line almost entirely made up of younder players and a very bare cupboard on defense (nobody is still seriously debating that the cupboard was bare, right?).
So whoever comes in next year to ND will be way ahead of where RR was right off the bat.
Also, +1 for the use of juxtaposed.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:33 PM ^
Actually, you could make a pretty good comparison.
When Rodriguez got here, he had a 5-star sophomore quarterback. He also had a roster chock full of well regarded recruits, possibly as much or more "talent" as Notre Dame has right now.
But Rodriguez's 5-star QB transferred to Arkansas, and about 20 other kids left, too.
It's not a perfect comparison, because the scheme change won't be as radical. But it's not the worst comparison, either.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:47 PM ^
" (spelling?). Also, ND's entire roster is made up of largely 4 and 5 start prospects, and is composed of a large number of juniors and senious"
And which defense are you talking about, last year's, or the one we just finished?
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:04 PM ^
A friend of my counsin's friend's father just told me that a private jet has left a small airport just outside of South Bend.
Pair that with the fact that I just heard on my hand-held scanner that some guy was pulled over in a routine traffic stop in central Indiana, and while I could not hear his last name, I heard clear as day that his first name was Bill.
Sh*t, we are all doomed. ND just signed Bill Belichick as their new head coach.
PANIC.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 PM ^
Or his "counsin"
Sllllllooooowwwwww down.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:11 PM ^
Via Big House Blog
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December 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 PM ^
that means it would never happen.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 PM ^
I'm actually now rooting for Texas to lose, FL beat bama (somewhat big) and then Cinci win big vs Pitt. That could potentially put Florida vs. Cinci in the BCS title game and there is no way that Kelly would leave Cinci before the title game. And well, it seems highly unlikely that ND would wait over a month to wait on any coach.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 PM ^
But would we get a press conference where Kelly chokes up and talks about his "damn fine football team"?
The irishcentral post reads more like a trial balloon than anything else. The balloon is to see how apopleptic ND stakeholders are about the reality of Kelly taking the job, or to torpedo any chance Kelly has by making it look official way before it really is.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 PM ^
Word on the street is Kelly passed out at a 31 flavors last night.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^
It normally takes him 3 nano seconds to chime in when Notre Dame is mentioned.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 PM ^
What happened to those "NFL sources" that were certain it was Stoops?
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 PM ^
That would be Adam Schefter, and he was completely and hopelessly off-base.
Brian wrote about it here.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 PM ^
OP,
How the hell did you get 700+ points in 3 or so days?
Over the weekend I saw a post by you and you had like 300 points. Now you're over 1000? I call shenanigans.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:47 PM ^
One of the good things about him starting so many threads is that it makes it easy to find the guy who decided to upbang every single one of his posts.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 PM ^
Nice work GCS. I've also noticed that some of the threads k06 starts fall victim to a sudden neg on every post. Annoying.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:58 PM ^
Who the hell creates another account to plus their own posts? Dude has problems, plural.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 PM ^
Upvoting yourself is like keying a man's car, or welching on a bet.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 PM ^
Does Kelly have good PR skills for this high profile job, he seems like he comes off like Tx Tech's Mike Leach
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:14 PM ^
well, if nothing else, the rivalry is back.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 PM ^
people people....
We passed on this guy. Why the hell would we be afraid of him. We have a BETTER coach. If you are afraid of the talent the great white fail has stockpiled there, then that is going to be an issue regardless of who is hired there.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 PM ^
While I'm a RR supporter and fervently hope he succeeds here, I don't see how anybody can say with the confidence you evidently have that RR has PROVEN he's the better coach than Kelly. He's been HC at two places, and at one of them he has been—so far—a pretty spectacular disappointment. Kelly has gotten it done at three different schools; won multiple NCs at his first and were it not for our fucked up system would be in excellent position to compete for another one at Cincy. I think we're at the point where we can't simply ascribe Kelly's success to random chance.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:35 PM ^
Rodriguez isn't a "spectacular disappointment" unless you're speaking from the perspective of someone who expected 10 wins from freshman quarterbacks and walk-on defenders.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 PM ^
I said here before the season that we'd be anywhere from 5-7 to 7-5, but that doesn't mean that disappointment isn't warranted. There's no question that inexperience and depth have been big problems, but I'm not convinced that they account for us zooming to the literal bottom of the conference within a year in the vast majority of defensive statistics, and towards the bottom in a good number of offensive ones, too. We have exactly one road win in two seasons; plenty of lousy teams manage more than that in two years. Our defense in 08 did not have the walkons RR had to use in 09, and had a number of returning starters to boot, yet they were still awful. The offensive woes played a part, but to put all the blame on that unit seems a bit of a stretch to me. This year the offensive staff showed no imagination at all in how Denard was used, you yourself criticized the playcalling on the goal line stand at Illinois in terms of having Brown try to power it up the middle when that's clearly not his strong suit, and the staff made some boneheaded decisions in the Purdue game (unwisely putting on a punt block after our D had secured a rare three-and-out) and got caught with their pants down on special teams as well in that game.
It is possible to be a Rodriguez supporter and believe he deserves 4 years to show what he can do, and still be disappointed in how some aspects have turned out so far.