BigBlue02

October 13th, 2017 at 2:50 AM ^

So a toxic locker room is ok to explain a 3-9 year? Like, you just explained away his god awful coaching last year because the guys he recruited were a bunch of racists and rapers? And he also chose Tyler fucking O’Conner over Lewerke as his QB but none of that is his fault because the senior class he recruited was too terrible to lead them to 4 wins? But somehow Harbaugh loses one game in which we turn the ball over 5 times and our fan base becomes a bunch of pussies who think the punt fumble game, a game in which Harbaugh thoroughly outcoached one of the 4 best teams in the nation, is a good barometer of how good a coach Dantonio is? I hate our fan base sometimes.

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WorldwideTJRob

October 13th, 2017 at 3:09 AM ^

Yet after all that they are 4-1, just like us. No matter how you slice it BigBlue. You’re proving my point by the way too. One of the reasons we had 5 turnovers was because our offensive coaching staff thought it was a bright idea to drop back and pass in the middle of a monsoon. Dantonio had enough sense not to do that. You can sugarcoat that loss all you want buddy, but there were some pretty poor coaching decisions made on the Home sideline. And the biggest group of pussies on this board are the folks that try to excuse away every loss with fucking excuses. No one is saying Harbaugh is not a good coach, but with two weeks off he should’ve had that team better prepared than that.

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BigBlue02

October 13th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^

Man, if Harbaugh had as much sense as Dantonio to not call the turnover play, we’d have won. So I have no idea what your point is. Do you want to bitch just to bitch? I’m not sugarcoating a loss anymore than you sugarcoated away a 3-9 season 10 years into Dantonio’s tenure at MSU. Did they win last week? Yes. Did it suck? Yes. What are you going to do about it? Call for Harbaugh’s head? People saying we should probably judge Harbaugh for his entire tenure at Michigan aren’t making excuses for last weekend, we’re simply suggesting that maybe the entire year is a better judge of Harbaugh’s talent then picking out one game each year and saying it is really that game that we should judge Harbaugh on

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BassDude138

October 13th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^

Umm, Dantonio didn't have to have his team drop back to pass in the monsson because his team was winning. Michigan was in a catch 22. Yes, it was their own fault they were trailing when the rain came, but they had to try and score points somehow, and running into 9 defenders who are attacking downhill expecting a run wasn't cutting it.

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YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 13th, 2017 at 5:46 AM ^

We are 4-1 and already above MSU's win total last year in the 10th year of Dantonio's program. If Harbaugh goes 3-9 in year 10, then run him out of town. Look, 10-3 in year one was miraculous for 2 reasons - the skill level was spotty and the culture was all about entitlement. JH transformed both. With the way some in the fan base act after 1 loss, it's not hard to see how the program felt entitled ...

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The Barwis Effect

October 13th, 2017 at 6:56 AM ^

Want to know what's crazy? Dude is 8-3 vs Michigan including 3 wins out of 4 in Ann Arbor and all you want to focus on his 3-9 record. It's laughable. Sure, Dantonio's an asshole, but how many more years does he need to own U-M before people give him a modicum of respect for his coaching abilities? 8-3.

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redhed

October 13th, 2017 at 8:57 AM ^

It won't happen.  Dantonio is a stubborn curmodgeon, and I honestly have no idea how/why that works for him as a coach with today's kids.....but it does.  The rebuilding job he faced when he got to MSU was much more challenging than anything that Harbaugh faced here.  Without question, our program will always have a higher upside, but that means nothing if we can't even win half of the games against MSU.  I think it is time to put the 3-9 crap away now.  We've got an away game there next season, and we need to go in there and play with the same hate that they do.  They are a rival that is coached by a guy who has proven to be more than worthy, whether or not people here are in touch with enough reality to admit it.

 

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BigBlue02

October 13th, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^

If you actually read my post, I said he was a good coach. Last Saturday was not an example of that, just like last Saturday is not any indication of what Harbaugh can do. Our fan base is so traumatized by the last 10 years that they can’t accept that we have one of the best coaches in the nation. I give zero fucks what Dantonio’s record was against Hoke and RR. Illinois and Rutgers were beating those two coaches. Do you think MSU fans are sad because Brian Kelly is a better coach than Dantonio? Or do you think that maybe they see MSU had untimely penalties and turnovers and lost by 3 scores, so it was just one of those fluky losses? Peiople aren’t focusing on 3-9 other than to say Dantonio is a good coach and he still couldn’t muster 4 wins last year, so maybe we look at the overall picture and not just be reactionary over one shitty loss.

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WorldwideTJRob

October 12th, 2017 at 10:54 PM ^

You can call them flukes all you want...we were favored in both games, and lost them both at home. If you don’t want the punt to determine the outcome in ‘15, make more plays before that to put the game out of reach late. What about last Saturday was a fluke? They outplayed, outschemed, and outcoached us! Stevie Wonder could’ve saw that, and if you’re claiming the weather was fluky somehow. Well, we should’ve scored more points like MSU did in normal conditions.

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mgoblueben

October 12th, 2017 at 8:15 PM ^

Ahh I'm sorry we have a 5 star running back from usc and more talent at every single position. But let's just forgive this loss cuz the last 10 years havnt been a train wreck. Win with what you got on the roster. Meyer didn't need excuses his first 3 years and please don't say hoke left gaping holes. We just sent 11 draftees and 17 total to the NFL so he did his job recruiting. Harbaugh chose ulizio. Year 3 at Stanford with 2 stars wasn't like this.

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1VaBlue1

October 12th, 2017 at 8:24 PM ^

Which of those 11 draftee's were from offense?  If you chose 'Butt', you're correct.  But TE is doing okay, so far this year...  Everything else on offense is, essentially, brand spanking new.  New offensive philosophy (IZ), new OL, new WR corp, new RBs, and now even a new QB because the starter got his neck broken.  And yet they're 4-1 and were a top 10 team until last week.

But you go right ahead and tell us how big of a failure Jim Harbaugh is as a head coach.  I'm sure everyone will read your take with a knowing nod...

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1VaBlue1

October 12th, 2017 at 8:50 PM ^

And you know that how?  Because last I saw, he didn't play after the 1st qtr against Purdue, and didn't play against MSU.  Something about a broken neck...  His year wasn't going well, and he may not have won those games, but you can't project final stats to something he wasn't involved in.  He was the starter for a reason - because JOK doesn't have his pocket presence or command of the entire offense.

 

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Bodogblog

October 12th, 2017 at 9:09 PM ^

The thing you don't recognize: you're running around with this idea that Dantonio outcouched again he get 'em, but you have a comparator from literally two weeks ago. Sparty coughed up the ball 3 times and had a couple of bad penalties and did not throw a 55 yard TD pass that was called back or have half the drops M did, and lost by 20 at home to ND (should have been 28, MSU scored while ND was loading the bus).  

Was Brian Kelly a brilliant coach and outcoach a Dantonio get 'em?   No.  Sparty threw away any chance they had to stay within double digits by their mistakes. 

Michigan did much worse and lost by 4.  Dantonio didn't control either, neither did Harbaugh or Kelly.  Sometimes your guys just keep fucking up all night.  It's an extreme outlier, very extreme in M's case. 

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mgoblueben

October 12th, 2017 at 9:24 PM ^

Look, I don't think state is a good team. The isaac and McKeon turnovers are difficult to come back from in any game. But dantonio lives for this game. Simply put, we did not have a good offensive game plan or our o line was so bad we couldn't execute it. Either way, dantonio has prepared his guys for this game better than harbaugh has the past 3 years. What game has harbaugh simply out coached a superior opponent? you can advocate for osu last year but that's the best Michigan team since 2006 and we still lost. The defense still leaves McCray out in space way too often and was not ready to defend Lewerke runs. Cost us a TD and the final first down. Easy for me to say this behind my tv but some of these issues are glaring problems and there's no fix in sight. There's no experienced o line for next year that will fill the current void.

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Bodogblog

October 12th, 2017 at 10:50 PM ^

"Dantonio has prepared his guys for this game better than Harbaugh the last 3 years".  This is just so bad.  

You're on the right track when you say easy to say behind your TV.  If you fumble on your side of the 50 and have two 15 yard penalties after the defense has kicked the the other team off the field, you're like!y to give up a TD to even mediocre teams.  Lewerke fumbled the final first down.  It dropped on the ground and bounced right back to him.  He then rolled over a defender to get the first down.  Some people might read just the above and conclude M both hurt themselves and had some bad luck in this game (forget about the 5 turnovers, the TD called back on penalty, the dropped passes).  But you, clever guy, have figured out that it's the genius of Dantonio's coaching.  

I guess he just forgot to call those plays against Notre Dame. 

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xxxxNateDaGreat

October 12th, 2017 at 9:43 PM ^

A five star transfer, which most likely says something about his talent level. And Meyer wasnt even 6 full months removed from Tressel and had a season full of rumors that he was coming to Ohio to placate all the big time recruits watching. This was a terrible, inexcusable loss but let's not use this event to start saying that Meyer was cleaning up the equivalent of 7+ years of Rich Rod/Hoke/DB.

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Stringer Bell

October 12th, 2017 at 9:17 PM ^

I mean, Harbaugh could have his handpicked QB in there.  I don't want to hear that Peters isn't ready.  If he's not ready, then Harbaugh either missed on his evaluation or hasn't coached him up properly.  Georgia is killing it with a true freshman QB, USC won the Rose Bowl last year with a redshirt freshman QB.  If Harbaugh truly is the QB whisperer, there is no reason for Peters to not be ready at this point, especially when you consider the disastrous QB situation we have.  It really shouldn't be hard for him to win this job.

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1VaBlue1

October 12th, 2017 at 11:04 PM ^

Harbaugh runs a complex, pro offense.  He has at USD.  He has at Stanford.  He has at San Fran.  He does - and will continue to - at Michigan.  At some point, he's got to install it, and this year is that point.  He ran 40 formations the last two years, too, and it worked okay.  This group of players lacks the experience of the previous two years, and has added IZ.  They're still learning, and it may not be finished next year.

If he ran something easy, no doubt Peters would be out there.  But he doesn't, and nobody should expect a 19 or 20 yr old Peters to understand a professional offense will enough to run it as a redshirt freshman.  When this beast is running on all cylinders, we won't see new QB's, or OL, until they are juniors. 

It sucks right now.  It will be better next year.  It will continue to get better beyond that.  Its called experience, and it takes a while to build experienced depth that can start right in.

All that said, some position coach jobs need a serious assessment this winter...

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PapabearBlue

October 13th, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^

Instead of looking smart you look like the equivalent of the "grammar police" that would rather argue about logical fallacies than the pretty obvious point the poster was trying to make, which wasn't a strawman.

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WeimyWoodson

October 13th, 2017 at 8:08 AM ^

he should not be running such a complex offense.  This is not the NFL.  He does not have actaul NFL players at every position.  Install a college offense that works for college kids.  I've said it before, I'll say it again, I don't care if Urban's offense won't work in the NFL, hes a college coach and it scores a lot in college.  Michigans offense is making things too difficult for themselves.

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Mgoczar

October 13th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

This makes sense, but did he actually run the same offense at USD, stanford and San Fran? You may be right about that but I am doubtful - he must have changed it a bit based on personel I think. Which is what we need. Get Peters in and install a Harbaugh Lite offense: lean on execution and this awesome D 

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You Only Live Twice

October 12th, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^

how strong the inferiority complex is... how many Sparties reside on this board.

Maybe I can help you.  

Try this:  The more you beg and plead for respect, the more likely you are to succeed.  You are due your respect!  It's criminal you are not praised more on a Michigan fan site.  

Just keep at it.  Also you might be able to help Mork by flipping recruits! 

That's the ticket!!

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