Isaiah Hole: Four national media outlets working on the "Who hired the PI firm?" story

Submitted by Heptarch on November 26th, 2023 at 10:56 PM

Fairly standard stuff from him in the beginning... talks about OSU going through the Stages of Grief and his own evolution of fandom, particularly pertaining to The Game.

The really interesting tidbit comes near the end (around 25:45 of the video) where he claims pretty staunchly that  there are four national media outlets chasing down the PI angle and that "everyone knows" it was Day. Presumably he's talking about everyone inside the program, but he might be talking about the aforementioned media outlets as well. That part isn't clear.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDcuHAgkhgA

WayOfTheRoad

November 27th, 2023 at 12:01 AM ^

I don't know him personally but I've heard good things and kinda shitty things about him. I'm assuming he's a decent guy but as someone that knows anything more than the above-average fan I don't see it. I'd guess his "insider" access to be nothing more than a dude that works in the building at some level below staff.

Very vague stuff that can't be fully verified or debunked seems to be his wheelhouse.

All I know and I'll keep repeating is that there is no dossier of dirt. I've worked in the building and while that doesn't mean I was privy to the highest levels of info, we all knew everything. It's essentially an office. We knew who was sleeping around, we knew which programs "didn't play school", we knew which programs outright bought kids and such. It was widely known but never documented in a provable way to my knowledge.

Why? Most coaches that aren't pussies really, really don't want to be seen as a pussy. They also know their own house isn't totally clean so info is just kept among themselves. They fear M.A.D. and looking like a crybaby bitch so it stays in the "coaching brotherhood". Everyone knew the entire SEC bought/buys kids like you buy a car. Everyone knew certain HS would pad a kid's grades. Everyone knew certain programs didn't give the slightest shit about their kids actually going to class. Everyone knew everything like that.

Nobody kept a dossier on it all. That part was always bunk (IMO) but clearly some people have now shared data they knew of or at least kept circumstantial evidence of. We'll see where that goes and if media outlets even bother to look in to the PI Firm but I don't buy it if Hole claimed it and that's the only person claiming it. No offense to him personally. We recently learned that most "UM Insiders" know exactly jack shit.

Seth

November 27th, 2023 at 12:02 AM ^

Isaiah doesn't post something if he doesn't have some source for it, and he has a good relationship with a lot of the media who cover Michigan. Just from the vector the story broke it's obvious it came from Ohio State, so I'd be surprised if it's just four major outlets checking the smoke to see if they can find the fire. "Investigating" is just that, and takes time to get it right.

Blinkin

November 27th, 2023 at 4:30 AM ^

Serious question Seth: I agree that investigations take time to get right. But why is it that the investigation into the source of the PI firm is (evidently) being handled with diligence and care for proof, when the media uncritically published press releases from Columbus at the beginning? Are we meant to believe that ESPN suddenly grew a sense of journalistic integrity in the last 4 weeks? 

BoFan

November 27th, 2023 at 5:10 AM ^

Yes, the initial reports unfortunately spread and were accepted with limited skepticism. But, they were probably given a very detailed report that had been researched for over a year. Whoever funded this made sure they had all the documents they needed to paint the story they wanted to paint. Also, the nature of the scandal, true or false, was one that people were going to want to believe so it spread like wildfire. 

At this point, anyone who publishes a story in opposition is going to want to make sure they do whatever they can to get the facts right. Even lies that catch fire, can be very difficult to disprove in the eyes of the public when everybody has already picked a side.  Further, the PI firm had potentially a year to research their story. So far Michigan and any media outlets have only had a month. 

goblu330

November 27th, 2023 at 7:02 AM ^

ESPN and The Athletic took an active role in “painting the picture” here, though.  This was more than sources getting info that looked a certain way and allowing people to judge for themselves the level of credibility, culpability, etc.  This was a MSNBC/Fox News type job that skillfully presented information so as to maximize outrage while eliminating any efforts toward objectivity and context, and to make dissidents feel complicit. Essentially, the sources and the outlets colluded.

It does make me wonder….There was and is some pretty major worldwide news stories that faded into the background during all of this.  While I was never outright sporting a tin foil hat during sign-gate I did find myself slipping it on from time to time.

MaizeBlueA2

November 27th, 2023 at 6:10 AM ^

Media outlets investigate stories that are going to be bombshells or bring them viewers.  The Harbaugh story has just about run it's course.  Michigan basically ended it on Saturday for all of the Pearl clutches.

But just like TV shows, producers want spin-offs to hold your attention.  So what would be the next juiciest thing?  Ryan Day was behind it all and pulling the strings this entire time.  *GASP!*

But you have to have something pointing to Day.  A file, a picture, an e-mail, a memo...something.  Otherwise it's just a rumor or accusation.

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Now you say, well with Harbaugh it was an accusation.  That is partially true...but they always had Stalions to lean on and the "you should know everything in your program" angle.

If you go back to the early reporting...it was all about Stalions, not Harbaugh. The outlets were reporting it through "sources" and the talking heads (even Fienbaum) were saying it was nothing.  People were laughing, but calling it a "nothingburger."

Then the outlets started reporting more and more, and there was more smoke and more evidence, and pictures, and thats when the talking heads all switched their tune.

But it started with Stalions and didn't move to Harbaugh until later.  It's media, think about it, you've seen the note in the ticker "(x) involved in domestic dispute."  Someone reports on it, that's the end of it.  Then the woman's lawyers leak photos or video on Twitter and people see it...now it dominates the headlines and every media personality has a Tweet and a take.  It wasn't until the photos, the MSU/CMU, the organized payments, etc. dropped that everyone really latched on and ran wild. 

So ESPN and others are searching for their story. When someone gets something, the Thamel's of the world will report it, per "sources."  And if there is evidence, the talking heads will decide how outraged they are about it.

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For the Thamel's, they're like Woj and Shams for the NBA folks on here.  They're in a race to find the story.  That's all they care about.  If they get it first, they win.  Thamel is the weasel digging through the dumpster and showing up on door steps.  Thamel just wants to be "first."  After that, it doesn't matter for him, he's on to the next piece of dirt he can find.  He is less concerned about your response.

For the talking heads...they're just worried about viewership.  They don't care about being first, it's what take will spark the most outrage.  Taking about it first does nothing.

Someone who likes or has ties to OSU, hiring a PI firm, at this point, isn't going to move the needle.

But if the weasels somehow find that Day is directly involved.  That, is juicy enough for Fienbaum to flip into something that gets people going (likely some take about how the B1G is out of control and Alabama and Georgia should play Washington and Oregon in their own CFP).

So unless they have audio, video, or some type of damning evidence...I don't believe this will ever turn into much.  It's just not how news cycles work.  The scandal isn't that OSU found a PI firm, it's that Ryan Day funded it himself or something like that.  They don't just need something for the ticker (because the story is old), they need something for the talking heads and Twitter mob to latch onto.  Hence investigators. 

Wolverine 73

November 27th, 2023 at 8:46 AM ^

While I agree with most of your post, I think the needle does in fact move if there is evidence that OSU was involved in hiring the PI firm and orchestrating the story, whether Day was directly involved or not.  It evidences the depths to which the program was willing to descend to excuse its recent performance, it shows a disregard to standard NCAA protocol (which, I believe, is reporting violations you become aware of and letting the NCAA investigate).  Makes them look ‘soft” and whiny. Just puts OSU in a bad light.  Surely, there are media who would like to go after OSU just as a lot of them enjoyed going after Michigan.

Hensons Mobile…

November 26th, 2023 at 10:59 PM ^

Didn't win the PR battle in time to save Harbaugh. Didn't smear OSU in time to rattle them for The Game (didn't need it).

Must be saving it for right before the CFP announces its selection to ensure OSU doesn't back in again. Yeah, that's it.

lhglrkwg

November 27th, 2023 at 7:02 AM ^

Rewatching it yesterday their whole team vibe seemed off. None of the players showed any emotion. Not McCord, not Henderson, not MHJ. Its like they knew what was coming or they just didnt care. Day looked totally alone on the sideline all game. I would not be surprised to hear he’s starting to lose the faith of his team. His little pregame penguin hop hype was so cringey. I don’t think his own team respects him

Contrast that to where Michigans culture is at. No wonder OSU thought they needed this PI to turn things around

Yeoman

November 27th, 2023 at 9:20 AM ^

I wonder what people will think when they realize that last sentence has inverted cart and horse.

Chris Day filed his incorporation papers, Alterum filed their incorporation papers, Chris Day quit his day job and went to work for Tim so his free time would be free...all that happened in late 2020-Jan. 2021. It wasn't a response to the losing; they hadn't lost to us in almost a decade. It was probably a response to the Al Washington/COVID stuff. "Gonna hang a hundred on em."

Three years and all they got out of it was a couple of cheeseburgers and documentation of an op that turns out to be a badly executed copy of something OSU was already doing and Knowles had been doing for years. And three bad losses.

I hope there's a reporter out there willing to take his/her time and get the story right instead of rushing for the scoop. The scoop's just a paper cut; the full story's likely to be a twisted dagger.

CompleteLunacy

November 27th, 2023 at 9:31 AM ^

It was so obvious. He was whining and complaining to the refs at any mildly controversial call. Including one where replay was actively reviewing and overturning the call in OSU's favor

Clear as Ryan Day that he was overwhelmed with the pressure of the moment. The funny part is his team didn't seem to be. And if Day was capable of analyzing the game that was actually in front of him rather than acting on his own insecurities, maybe he could have coached them to a victory. 

BoFan

November 27th, 2023 at 5:32 AM ^

Day and Co, allegedly, had over a year to plan a PR campaign with the right timing. It’s really amazing to me that so many on this board seem to think it’s easy to counter or fact check in only a month. And given how everything‘s gone down, there is no doubt this was a negative PR campaign with a targeted set of results.

But I guess these are the kinds of unrealistic expectations we can expect from the typical college football fan base (not just Michigan but all unreasonable fans).   Aren’t these the same fans that want to, or were willing in our case, fire the best possible coach ever over one loss here or there in the middle of a long journey to rebuild a program.  

And as far as the PR campaign, let’s take Uncle T as an example. There is a reason this whole uncle T. story was dropped three days before the court hearing. Uncle T may not even be true, it may just be based on some cryptic tweets or messages that are easy to misinterpret.  But if you spent a year, researching this and planning a very well timed PR campaign, you’re going to be damn sure you have some major bombshells to drop at the right time.  Those bombshells don’t have to be accurate. They just have to have the appearance of being bombshells.  

if this were politics, the other side would have had an immediate response ready to go. But this wasn’t supposed to be politics.  
 

As I recall the great Keith Jackson once said during an intro “sports is supposed to be the great equalizer“. No wars or politics. Just 11 athletes a side and a set of rules. What Day has done, allegedly, isn’t sports.

543Church

November 27th, 2023 at 6:19 AM ^

The only allegation Day has done anything are coming from the Michigan fanbase.  Nobody with any skin in the game or in authority has said anything about The Binders or that Day hired his brother.  That is likely fan fiction as much as I'd like to believe it.  

Isaiah Hole is just another guy trolling for clicks and he needs to slowly leak out stuff like this in a vague manner that can never be proven false so he doesn't get sued but keeps the clicks coming.

I would not be surprised if it was Day who started the investigation but so far Hole has a terrible batting average on this and he just throws stuff against the wall.  I'll wait until somebody important says something and not a dude who puts food on his table using gossip.

lhglrkwg

November 27th, 2023 at 7:44 AM ^

I very much doubt Day is dumb enough to ever have his name directly tied to it, but I am fairly certain the coaches have known about (probably) an OSU booster paying for a PI to investigate Stallions for a long time. OSU coaches are the ones who would be mad at Stallions and would be the ones to tip off a booster looking to screw Michigan. I just find it very unlikely Gene Smith and Day havent known about this PI since the investigation’s inception 

Brhino

November 26th, 2023 at 11:00 PM ^

He's not been super reliable throughout this affair, has he? Seems like he mostly reports things we Michigan fans hope are true, with mixed results on them actually getting confirmed later. 

Hensons Mobile…

November 26th, 2023 at 11:40 PM ^

I'm at a complete loss. I still don't even know how this was identified in the first place. Who "discovered" this? Why did everyone take it seriously? Obviously that has an answer, but I don't know what it is.

As for the rest of it, CMU clearly does not believe the person is part of their staff. Then the NCAA got involved in the investigation a week later, announced as co-investigating, rather than announced as CMU being investigated.

We've gotten no information about where all this stands. I guess because people only leak things about Michigan and not Central Michigan. And other than ESPN asking MSU to help confirm that it is 60% likely that it's CS, the media has also lost interest.

Seth

November 27th, 2023 at 12:11 AM ^

Nobody "discovered" it. I suggested it as a possibility on WTKA and people spread it around without even bothering to figure out where it came from. It was just idle speculation, because CMU borrowing Michigan's signs guy for MSU made more sense than a crazy guy dressing up like CMU coaches and hanging out on the sideline with them.

bostonsix

November 27th, 2023 at 1:33 AM ^

Webb confirmed it was Stallions on his Steady dropping dimes podcast. He also said from what he is hearing is that CMU hired stallions for his sign decoding talents, so stallions was technically working as a contractor. Even with how weird it is Sam doesn't think there's even a rule against a contractor working for two different schools because it's never come up.

Hensons Mobile…

November 27th, 2023 at 2:12 AM ^

I am inferring here from your comment:

After a week of CMU scrambling, the NCAA stepped in to hold CMU's hand.

The NCAA was able to confirm that, yes, it was Stalions, presumably because someone from CMU confirmed it.

And when you say CMU hired him, you mean someone from CMU hired him, but didn't tell the head coach and didn't put him on the list for sideline passes.

So the NCAA has closed the investigation with CMU, but CMU and the NCAA have made no announcement about this because no one is asking them anymore.

And all that has happened as a result is it confirms that CS did in-person scouting of a future Michigan opponent in season (for which this is either one infraction or one of many) and that McElwain learned he has people on his staff doing shit behind his back that he didn't know about because sometimes (or always) low level assistants don't tell their head coaches what they're up to.

bostonsix

November 27th, 2023 at 2:29 AM ^

From what I gathered from Webb was; yes someone at CMU hired stallions to help CMU decode MSU signals, for CMU's benefit. Whether McCelwain knew, Webb didn't say. I would assume they are under a gag order themselves and the corrupt NCAA didn't press this further yet because of due process of an ongoing investigation. However, if it really had Harbaughs fingerprints on this I'm sure they would have taken further action on Harbaugh and blasted on national news the last couple of weeks. So, no news is probably really good news that points toward how Rouge Stallions actually went on his own.

Hensons Mobile…

November 27th, 2023 at 3:06 AM ^

Only reason I assume McElwain was not in the loop is because of his public comments which were very definitive that he knew nothing about it.

He could have been lying for some reason but he didn’t really hedge at all so I take it at face value.

I assume CS insisted on the secrecy because he knew it was a violation (for Michigan) for him to be there.

It will be interesting to see if the NCAA holds CMU accountable in any way for being complicit in the scheme (meaning they had at least 1 staff member who knowingly arranged an NCAA violation). There might not be something on the books to stick CMU with but we all know that wouldn’t matter if it were Michigan.

bostonsix

November 27th, 2023 at 4:06 AM ^

Completely agree, John Harbaugh's statement about the NCAA going through all of Jim's personal electronic devices and coming out 100% clean at the end of it, gives me comfort that this is probably not going to blow up any harder or further on Jim than it already has. I still think the whole situation is bullshit and am pissed off about it, however the silver lining to it all, was it did unite the entire fanbase/ulumni and staff behind Harbaugh and this team.

BoFan

November 27th, 2023 at 4:23 AM ^

No one said it’s a violation for CMU to hire CS   

CS is Michigan’s sign decoding guy. Every school has one or two of them. 

No one knew how CS figured out signs. Some get signs ahead of their games from other analysts on other teams.  Some decode live in game.  Some send scouts to watch and film practices. Some watch tons of film. Some find people to take videos of games ahead of time. Some do all of them. The last time a rule was updated was almost 30 years ago.  Some of the above is collusion. Some may break old rules but the NCAA hasn’t decided yet.  Sign stealing violations apparently have been turned into the NCAA before and nothing was done. 
 

As far as CMU, if CS was moonlighting at CMU as a sign analyst, there is no reason for CMU to know CS was any different from any other sign analyst. There is also no restriction on analysts moonlighting.  That would likely violate labor laws. There is nothing to suggest that Michigan was even aware of his moonlighting. If they did know, they probably didn’t care. If analysts can share sign intel between teams, there is no rule that teams can’t share sign stealing analysts. 

Hensons Mobile…

November 27th, 2023 at 7:29 AM ^

As far as CMU, if CS was moonlighting at CMU as a sign analyst, there is no reason for CMU to know CS was any different from any other sign analyst. There is also no restriction on analysts moonlighting.

If CMU hired him, whoever hired him obviously knew it was a no-no for him to be there since no one told McElwain (or McElwain is pretending he didn't know) and they didn't officially give him a sideline pass.

If [Michigan] did know, they probably didn’t care.

See above.

BoFan

November 27th, 2023 at 3:45 PM ^

you make a lot of assumptions when you seem to provide evidence that has no basis, in fact. 
 

McElwain seemed like he knew.  He didn’t deny it.  He called him the sign stealing guy when he definitely knew his name at that point. He said they would investigate it.  His answers definitely seemed like he knew they hired him and he knew why he was there. But neither you nor I are McElwain.  So you’re saying he didn’t know carries no more weight than me saying he probably knew.  But further, even if McElwain knew Connor Stalions was hired to be on the sidelines, no one knew how he got his sign decoding expertise. 

charblue.

November 27th, 2023 at 1:17 AM ^

If you mean who is responsible for identifying the source of the original disclosure which led to the NCAA and Big Ten case against Michigan for sign-stealing, it was the Washington Post. The original story about Connor Stalions was always a timed smear job aimed at derailing Michigan's football season.

The journalistic outlets originally contacted: Yahoo Sports, WaPo and SI are respected enough for their reporting and investigative  journalism to not challenge the veracity of their scoop. But how did these disparate publications seemingly get wind of this story at about the same time? Usually, in investigative reporting, a publication gets a lead on its own and works it. Not here. We had separate reports on different issues in the matter. 

And the story's arc began after congressional testimony by NCAA and Big Ten officials in DC on NIL regulation, which explains a few things, like why the Washington Post had a non-sports writer breaking a story about a low level staffer engaged in a sign stealing practice that is only illegal under certain circumstances based on how and when you do it.  

What made this disclosure unusual is that it didn't follow a traditional pattern of original reporting leading to the kind of case being made against Michigan and its football program.

Why was the Washington Post covering this story? And where did its lead come from. The newspaper identified how the story emerged in an opening paragraph of its only story when it noted that the NCAA was approached by a third party investigative firm. That's what led to the rumors about Day, his family's connection to PI work and whether Ohio State was thus involved in pushing the Big Ten to go after Michigan.  

 

bostonsix

November 27th, 2023 at 2:39 AM ^

Not sure who posted it first but the disgruntled former employee, Yood and his family are suspected to have something to do with it...https://twitter.com/TonnorScalions/status/1726999284166623418?s=19

https://twitter.com/TonnorScalions/status/1726999291686986222?s=19

https://twitter.com/TonnorScalions/status/1726999299765264596?s=19

Harlans Haze

November 27th, 2023 at 8:11 AM ^

The whole things was probably a set-up, orchestrated by SharkBoy and LavaGirl (Mike Zordich). They weren't too happy about their time in Ann Arbor. Someone from the consortium of big 10 programs who knew about Stallions and the investigation (including people from msu) approached them and said "hey, we've got this plan to drop a bomb on UM in October. We're pretty sure it'll get Harbaugh fired. We need to try to get a "smoking gun" (since we don't have one yet). We know Stallions has tickets ready to give out to his vast network to 20 or 30 games this season, but we want to get him on the sidelines, himself. You guys both know him. What do you say, you ask him to come to the msu game and help you guys with your signs, and offer him a chance to see msu in person? We'll record him and release the footage after the story breaks. It'll look so damning. BTW, the story's gonna break the week of the msu game, so they're on board, too. A little retribution from "tunnelgate". You guys in?"