Isaiah Barnes to enter the transfer portal
To what may be a crazy off season (hopefully not 'that' crazy)....
Link...
https://umhoops.com/2023/03/19/report-isaiah-barnes-to-enter-transfer-portal/
First of many to depart!
It’s gross that supposed Michigan fans would cheer for this.
You find it gross that players choose the right path for themselves?
I mean, I dont think that's what they were saying but I could be wrong.
I read it as "its gross that UM fans are cheering for players to leave because they don't think that player is good at basketball and have misplaced anger towards them."
I think Rick was put off by my use of an exclamation point rather than a period. I think anyone who's been paying attention realizes that Michigan stands to lose multiple personnel this off-season. If said personnel believe that a new environment will help them reach their full potential as people and basketball players, I for one fully support them.
No, i find it gross that people like you call yourself a fan but actively root for the demise of the program.
Go take a nap ya big baby
I read all the posts above yours and I'm still not sure how you made that logical leap. Quite impressive.
Very poor judgement of Putingrad as a poster. Puti is true Maize and Blue.
Nobody's cheering for it. Get off your high horse.
So “first of many to come!” is not cheering for kids to leave the program? Ok dude. Go find another team if you hate them that much.
"First of many to come" pretty clearly means the poster expects more personnel defections.
Im sure the players & program appreciate your white knighting, though. Sorry to tell you this but you're not a better or more dedicated fan than anyone else on the board.
Find ways to engage with other fans that don't include a pissing contest trying to prove you're the superior fan. It's pathetic.
Gotta be honest dude, I think you either misunderstood that initial comment or just decided it was more malicious or annoying than it really was, and you are doing a bit more "white-knighting" about this than the other poster was/is.
With Barnes leaving we are still 1 over the limit for scholarships. At a minimum, 1 more needs to depart. If we want to add transfers we need more guys to leave.
We are if you mean both Llewellyn and Baker come back. Otherwise we have an open one right now.
Definitely expected. Athletic but definitely a reach as a recruit. Will be curious to see how he does a couple years from now but he wasn’t going to get the minutes he needs to develop
Athletic but definitely a reach as a recruit
Nah, this is revisionist history. Barnes hovered around ~#100 for most of his junior and senior year in high school and finished at #113 on 247 even after injury and had a solid offer list. He was better recruit than Livers and slightly worse than Jordan Poole. He just didn't work out and that's fine
Well the rankings were obviously WAY off. Barnes isn’t in the same universe as a player as Livers and Poole.
He never got a real chance in games. When he was talked about positively all offseason and fall, then was not put in games, it is clear that Jett and Joey were prioritized. It doesn’t mean he cannot perform well at another place where is given some consistent playing time.
He played in 15 games this year. He was not the answer.
Not the first time, and certainly not the last, that recruiting projections have been imperfect.
As he should. Most of the players on recent teams have gone undeveloped. Multiple guys leave every year after doing nothing. Hurts depth. Hurts experience.
The result is a team with no depth, no experience, a bunch of transfer hopefuls, and no continuity.
Next year we'll have to hear again how "young" and "inexperienced" the team is... So it's not Howard's fault
We’re on the verge of having four NBA draft picks in two years - which doesn’t count our All-America center - but yeah, we don’t develop anybody.
Barnes hasn’t been able to see the floor for two years. High D-1 probably isn’t his level.
The NBA drafts on potential, not college development. Of these 4 potential NBA draft picks (Houstan, Diabate, Jett, Bufkin) in these 2 years, only Kobe can be said to have gotten better since he entered the program. The All America Center is basically the same player that he was when he entered the program.
The All-American center was 0-4 on 3-pointers as a freshman and made 24 of them this year at a 42% clip.
Oh stop the presses! Our 7'1 Center makes .70 three pointers per game, and still seems to not be strong enough to finish layups in traffic. Yeah, that's some real development!
You should try the development of not being a dick when someone gives you an example that disproves something you said.
LOL disproves? A big man shooting 3's and missing layups is not improvement. As far as being a dick? I don't attempt to insult folks on message boards. So if I hurt your feelings, toughen up buttercup!
" I don't attempt to insult folks on message boards. So if I hurt your feelings, toughen up buttercup!"
Lol, claims to not insult folks and then immediately follows it up with name calling
Your responses are painting the picture that it is you that is the butthurt one my friend
And yes, disproves.
You said Dickinson is the same player he was as when he got to UM. I provided an example of how he has a new skill that he didn't have when he arrived at UM and how he has improved in that regard.
You keep responding to the example where I showed he is not the same player by mentioning that he doesn't finish through contact, which was not a point that I brought up and doesn't refute my point.
{{{Yawn}}}
Stellar retort.
March 20th, 2023 at 10:44 AM ^
Hunter's gotten leaner and improved his deep shot but he isn't what the league is seeking nowadays and that is ok. Would've been a lottery pick in '96. Is this a compromise between the 2 arguments?
March 20th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^
Can we at least admit Dickinson hasnt improved ENOUGH from when he got here to now? Kinda like Chad Henne back in the day
Houstan and Diabate absolutely got better over the course of last season (a big reason why the team got better). Houstan was a statue in November and was making plays defensively in March. Diabate developed a much more versatile game than anyone expected. Kobe’s development needs no elaboration.
The only of the four who arguably didn’t progress that much was Jett, but he also wasn’t healthy half the season.
If anything, our problem - same under Beilein - is that guys develop too fast. We don’t even get a full year of top-level play from a lot of these guys because they blow up over the course of the season.
Got better last year? What is this mythology? They started the regular season 10-8, and finished the regular season 17-14. That's improvement?
There is definitely some rose colored glasses about last year because we got the sweet 16. While I was happy we won those two games, most of the entire season last year was awful in every way to watch. This season was similar but a little worse. Next year looks scarily bad
Yeah, that Sweet 16 berth clouded a lot of folks judgement. And, Caleb Houstan improved so much during the season that he scored a grand total of 18 points in 3 NCAA Tournament games - 13 against Colorado St, 0 versus Tennessee, and 5 against Villanova. Like I said, the NBA drafts on potential, not performance. That's why Darkko was drafted before Camelo and D Wade, whose bonifades were on display the entire 2003 Tournament.
March 20th, 2023 at 10:46 AM ^
Darko was picked in the days when coaches were enamored with size (which of course is unteachable).
I get your point, but of course traditionally the first part of the regular season involves a lot of games against cupcakes. In that sense, beginning 10-8 is not very respectable -- whereas going .500 in the Big Ten and getting to the Sweet Sixteen very much is.
.500 in the Big Ten! Wow, hang a fucking banner!
A lot of half-assed argument coming out of the whole sphincter. Quite poultry of you.
Half-assed is being very kind. All of his "arguments" have been complete ass.
"Chicken Shit" would have been funnier. But agree with your assessment.
You mean because Kobe was the only one to stay for more than a year?
I agree that Barnes leaving is not a back-breaker.
That being said, not making the Big Boys Tourney this year in spite of having 2 NBA draft picks this year along with an All-American Center is not encouraging, unless they were to come back. If Jett, Kobe, and Hunter leave, why Barnes would want to come back unless he was comfortable with being a bigger fish in a smaller pond?
Houstan and Diabate were known one and dones and they weren’t *that* good while here. They were fairly underwhelming for the majority of their brief stay here.
Jett is a barely adequate collegiate player who obviously projected before he got to M. Just like the other aforementioned dudes.
Kobe was a good story here.
I think it's going to get quite crazy
Won't be the last either
Juwan playing daddy ball and playing his kid jace instead of giving minutes to Barnes.