Iowa is opening up Kinnick.
"We have 100 more days (until Iowa kick off) and by then, my guess is we're going to learn a lot between now and then," Barta told local reporters. "My staff (and I) are still planning for several different scenarios and the scenarios we plan for, can change by the day, by the hour, by the week, but as of today, we are still planning to open Kinnick up and have as many fans that want to join us, join us."
Good luck with that. Last night one of the elderly members of my church called to ask what I thought about the pandemic and if we would ever get back to church. I told her you'll know in a few weeks when everybody is back to doing whatever the heck they want. If everybody is sick all over again by July, you'll know real quick if you will be in church again anytime soon.
In a few short weeks, you'll know if Iowa will be playing in front of fans.
It's a very consistent theme on here of negativity towards any type of planned gathering or optimism.
We are several months away. The trends are going well and this is a cautious approach allowing for adjustments, yet you still found a way to shit on it.
Nobody knows how this thing will develop in the next 2 months. Just like Michigan's recruiting class. Let's have some faith, be optimistic and see how it goes.
Just wait two weeks and then after that, wait two more weeks.
What did I shit on?
All I said was by July, people will go back doing whatever they want outside of their homes anyway. By then, you can evaluate the trends.
But that's not even the case. People will socialize but they won't go to sporting events, they won't go to concerts, they won't go to full restaurants, kids won't be in school, and people won't be able to do a whole bunch of things that would indicate whether it's safe to put people back in a football stadium (or a church).
So, no we we won't know much more in a few weeks. Suggesting as much is a bit dangerous because in a month, people will be like, look, we're fine! But we won't actually know if we're fine for most things yet.
Ask Alabama how well the trends are going there. Nevermind the fact that Florida and other states are drastically underreporting both cases and deaths.
My issue with opening things back up is that it seems a significant number of people just aren't willing to take common sense precautions. If everyone could agree to wear masks indoors, wash their hands, and stay the fuck away from each other, we would probably be fine.
Instead, people are packing bars, pools and every other place that opens.
Add TX, WI, and SC to your list.
The numbers completely beat the shit out of your narrative. Take the L.
The numbers completely beat the shit out of your narrative. Take the L.
SC- per report May 28 increase 156 cases, +4 deaths
TX- per report May 28 increase 1855 cases +36 deaths
WI- per report May 28 increase 512 cases +11 deaths
AL- per report May 28 increase 500 cases +10 deaths.
Some perspective is needed. Alabama's numbers look worse if you adjust per capita.
Alabama has 5 million people and Texas has 29 million people - or nearly 6 times as many people - yet Texas' numbers are only 3.5 times bigger.
the fear driving data and decisions is overwhelming hospital care...so far that hasn't been the issue. The target moves with each level of decisions...once a threshold is met, it's something new.
Other than in Italy, the hospitals never really were overwhelmed. Now most are really hurting from the lack of traffic.
Except for NYC, parts of NJ, MD and GA that even with pretty extreme measures were barely keeping their heads above water.
Montgomery, AL is flat out of ICU beds as of this week. They're asking other cities to take their patients.
Same with all of Boston; parts of Detroit.
Chicago was much better but definitely had to change their teams/practices.
This is anecdotal, but I know doctors in New Orleans and Metro Detroit who felt pretty overwhelmed.
Ironic talking about a "moving target", as you shift the goal posts.
yep...sure is. Once the hospitals, vents, etc are no longer fear worthy, it shifts to preventing spread to other areas, then to second wave fears, then to...what's next once people realize the data, the fear points, keep moving.
That's because it's a complicated situation and we still don't have good data about many aspects of the pandemic. The most immediate concern was about the health care system being overwhelmed by exponential growth. It's not the only issue to consider.
Lies, damn lies,statistics. What's the increase in number of people tested? For every increase in positive cases, you know damn well it's due to an increase in number tested. Can we at least acknowledge that?
That's my feeling as well. People who wear masks, wash hands, and social distance want a return to some level of "normalcy", and so I can see how constant negativity about that happening would be tiring. But in a lot of places that reopened a decent chunk of people aren't following those guidelines and so, as we've seen in states that reopened more, there have been upticks (to say nothing of unprecedented number of "pneumonia" deaths in places like TX, GA, and FL that are claiming lower Covid infections and deaths). Now, maybe that's just what we all accept and move on from. 100k are dead and as the adage goes, one death is a tragedy and a 100k is a statistic.
But we aren't finding a vaccine in 3 months. We aren't even likely to find a useful, widely-available treatment. And other than maybe pockets of NYC, there isn't anything close to herd immunity out there. So when schools open up and people go to games, students, athletes, fans, and everyone else will be exposed and there will be a surge. It probably won't be an explosion, but preparing for it and being cognizant that once the doors are opened doesn't mean they can and will stay open for the rest of the year is just reality.
How do you know those states are "drastically underreporting both cases and deaths."? MSNBC tell you that? Do you also think the U.S. actually has more Covid deaths than China, too?
Florida has reported over 5k pneumonia deaths so far this year. That number is usually around 900.
Sorry that Fox doesn't report the truth, about anything.
50k people die in the US each year due to pneumonia. Florida is about 6-7% of the US population, so 5k doesn't seem far off what they should normally expect, especially with an older population.
Question becomes if COVID causes pneumonia, which disease do you "bin" that death to..? I'm guessing most have been binned to COVID in other states, and potentially a lot of the normal 50k pneumonia deaths binned to COVID even if the patient never had it, or got it once in the hospital.
There's still been a pretty significant uptick in respiratory deaths in states that have been reporting lower COVID numbers than you'd expect. So maybe it's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other, but clearly there are more deaths occurring due to COVID-like symptoms than are being captured in the official counts.
Exactly. And the significant increase in respiratory deaths are occuring despite what I read weeks ago that record numbers of people, in particular older people who are more vulnerable to COVID-19 and pneumonia, are getting vaccinated for pneumonia.
It's only May buddy. Florida and Texas have both had about 5x as many supposedly non-COVD "pneumonia" deaths so far this year than they've averaged for the past five years.
Given the very tight variance in previous years pneumonia deaths, it's impossible for this massive uptick to be a statistical anomaly/random chance. It's covid. But since there weren't tests done, they're not counting them as covid. Deaths are being dramatically undercounted there. They're being undercounted everywhere, but some places moreso than others for...reasons.
Yeah, this 5K vs 900 post has been completely dubunked.
Please post a link with data if you think Im wrong.
Maybe Mad Hatter doesn't post the truth about anything.
/shrug
Does this help the discussion?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Feb 1 - May 27 2020:
Florida predicted excess deaths, all causes (including COVID), between 528 and 2212.
Alabama predicted excess deaths, all causes (including COVID), between 116 and 534.
Michigan predicted excess deaths, all causes (including COVID), between 5602 and 6802
CDC claims to have adjusted these numbers for underreporting.
No. Not in terms of the bogus numbers Hatter just threw out.
Am I understanding this right that the CDC is estimating that Michigan is under reporting deaths far more than Florida or Bama?
I don't think so.
I think it means that the CDC believes that Michigan has experienced between 5600 and 6800 more deaths from all causes than it would have expected over the Feb 1 - May 27 period. Michigan has reported ~5300 COVID deaths during that time.
If my understanding is correct, it implies that (a) there may be some undercounting of COVID deaths in Michigan, or (b) there are other, non-COVID, causes of death that are increasing as well, or some combination of same.
Ah, okay. I misunderstood you.
So basically, according the CDC, the death counts look more or less accurate? Actually looks like Florida and Alabama are reporting above their estimates.
I think that's right.
If I understand the CDC data correctly, it does not support a hypothesis that Florida and Alabama are underreporting.
And, in another sleight of hand, they are not reporting CV deaths if the decedents have out of state drivers licences.
lol don't even start with slight of hand BS...how about OHIO phrasing not to mention capturing data from prisons and nursing homes as a sample of general populations.
Deaths reported in the last 24 hours are different
than the actual number of deaths in the last 24 hours. The number
reported includes deaths over several days, perhaps as far back as January.
The practice of using “reported” data causes the public to
perceive more cases and more deaths than are occurring in the present. The
practice is confusing the press, the public and at times even the Governor and
Dr. Acton seem confused.
Disclosing the death total as the “number of deaths reported
in the last 24 hours” neither a new practice, nor is it one without previous
contention. During a press conference on April 14 Governor DeWine
repeatedly claimed 50 people died over the previous 24 hours. The actual
number of reported deaths was five (5). When confronted with the disparity,
DeWine deferred to Amy Acton who said, “I think it might be a reporting lag.”
From what I've read, both the media and scientific community have been doing a better job in the past month of noting the difference between the deaths reported in the last 24 hours and the actual number of deaths in that same period.
I'll be honest. I have felt much better since I realized there was a difference between the two and I've been trying to calm family and friends with that knowledge.
In contrast, could states like MI and NY be over-reporting COVID deaths, or does that not fit your narrative? Have you checked on states reporting high COVID deaths to see if their deaths from pneumonia, COPD, etc have decreased? Don't think that Fox is the only "news" channel that has an agenda, my friend. They all do, and they are all obvious about it. I can never understand why people on a sports blog want to knock other people's political views. Many, particularly our governor here in MI, say "don't politicize this health issue" while continually politicizing it. Just because reporting agrees with your political views doesn't make it objective!
Thank you. Bravo. Well said. All the cable "news" outlets have an agenda and so they have abdicated the role of truth teller to the greater good of corporate profits.
In contrast, could states like MI and NY be over-reporting COVID deaths, or does that not fit your narrative? Have you checked on states reporting high COVID deaths to see if their deaths from pneumonia, COPD, etc have decreased? Don't think that Fox is the only "news" channel that has an agenda, my friend. They all do, and they are all obvious about it. I can never understand why people on a sports blog want to knock other people's political views. Many, particularly our governor here in MI, say "don't politicize this health issue" while continually politicizing it. Just because reporting agrees with your political views doesn't make it objective!
Nope, NY also saw a massive spike in overall deaths— not just CoVid deaths— suggesting an undercount of CoVid cases. They had more deaths In a single month than any month ever on record, including after 9/11. And they’ve had 6x the number of normal deaths, far more than the CoVid count, as of a month ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html
Excessive mortality is a murky statistic though, because we can't assume that all other conditions are killing people at normal rates under lockdown conditions. The cancellation of elective surgeries and a general fear of going to the ER during a pandemic may have increased deaths from non-COVID conditions but it's tough to know.
Fox didn’t think the riots in Minneapolis last night were newsworthy. It’s either that, or they knew their reporters would be in serious danger if they were to be on-site. Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN had non-stop coverage. Is “news” news, or not? I get the lame-ass “it’s an opinion show” arguments from both sides, but when a police station is burning in a major US city, that’s fucking BREAKING NEWS.
This is just false. I watched Fox coverage with a guy on the ground interviewing random protesters and then showing live footage of the police station being overrun. When people just say bullshit to further their agenda it shuts down all discussion.
I don’t have 3 TVs to monitor simultaneously. I am not lying when I say that every time I switched over to Fox News, Fox Business or OAN, they were covering something else. I’ll take your word that you saw them covering the riot. Please offer me the same courtesy by not insinuating that I am lying for an agenda.
This board is really great. Say something factual from a moderate/centrist position and you’ll get shit on from both sides.
P.S. BBC was covering something else when I checked them, but they have a more international outlook.
whenever I turn on Fox News, I only see a Minnesotan: the My Pillow guy.
That’s funny. It’s true you never see him on CNN or MSNBC. I never understood why you would want to limit your market opportunity. Must be working for him.
Teeba I take your word.
Thanks. They are definitely covering it tonight. I am saddened for our country.
uh fox news has an entire hot topic area for the riots/er...protetests. I've seen multiple videos, articles, comments regarding the issues on fox, cnn, msn, msnbc, yahoo, mlive, any outlet honestly..it's major fucking breaking news...yes.