Iowa is opening up Kinnick.

Submitted by fishgoblue1 on May 29th, 2020 at 6:39 AM

"We have 100 more days (until Iowa kick off) and by then, my guess is we're going to learn a lot between now and then," Barta told local reporters. "My staff (and I) are still planning for several different scenarios and the scenarios we plan for, can change by the day, by the hour, by the week, but as of today, we are still planning to open Kinnick up and have as many fans that want to join us, join us." 

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Iowa-Hawkeyes-Kinnick-Stadium-Open-College-Football-Season-Tailgating-Full-Capacity-147604074/

 

Chalky White

May 29th, 2020 at 6:41 AM ^

Good luck with that. Last night one of the elderly members of my church called to ask what I thought about the pandemic and if we would ever get back to church. I told her you'll know in a few weeks when everybody is back to doing whatever the heck they want. If everybody is sick all over again by July, you'll know real quick if you will be in church again anytime soon.

In a few short weeks, you'll know if Iowa will be playing in front of fans.

Ziff72

May 29th, 2020 at 7:10 AM ^

It's a very consistent theme on here of negativity towards any type of planned gathering or optimism.

We are several months away.  The trends are going well and this is a cautious approach allowing for adjustments, yet you still found a way to shit on it.  

Nobody knows how this thing will develop in the next 2 months.  Just like Michigan's recruiting class.   Let's have some faith, be optimistic and see how it goes.

TrueBlue2003

May 29th, 2020 at 7:01 PM ^

But that's not even the case.  People will socialize but they won't go to sporting events, they won't go to concerts, they won't go to full restaurants, kids won't be in school, and people won't be able to do a whole bunch of things that would indicate whether it's safe to put people back in a football stadium (or a church).

So, no we we won't know much more in a few weeks.  Suggesting as much is a bit dangerous because in a month, people will be like, look, we're fine!  But we won't actually know if we're fine for most things yet.

The Mad Hatter

May 29th, 2020 at 7:49 AM ^

Ask Alabama how well the trends are going there. Nevermind the fact that Florida and other states are drastically underreporting both cases and deaths.

My issue with opening things back up is that it seems a significant number of people just aren't willing to take common sense precautions. If everyone could agree to wear masks indoors, wash their hands, and stay the fuck away from each other, we would probably be fine.

Instead, people are packing bars, pools and every other place that opens.

Blue_by_U

May 29th, 2020 at 9:23 AM ^

SC- per report May 28 increase 156 cases, +4 deaths

TX- per report May 28 increase 1855 cases +36 deaths

WI- per report May 28 increase 512 cases +11 deaths

AL- per report May 28 increase 500 cases +10 deaths.

 

Blue_by_U

May 29th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^

yep...sure is. Once the hospitals, vents, etc are no longer fear worthy, it shifts to preventing spread to other areas, then to second wave fears, then to...what's next once people realize the data, the fear points, keep moving.

Brian8603

May 29th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^

That's because it's a complicated situation and we still don't have good data about many aspects of the pandemic. The  most immediate concern was about the health care system being overwhelmed by exponential growth.  It's not the only issue to consider. 

lmgoblue1

May 30th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^

Lies, damn lies,statistics.  What's the increase in number of people tested? For every increase in positive cases, you know damn well it's due to an increase in number tested. Can we at least acknowledge that?

bronxblue

May 29th, 2020 at 7:58 AM ^

That's my feeling as well.  People who wear masks, wash hands, and social distance want a return to some level of "normalcy", and so I can see how constant negativity about that happening would be tiring.  But in a lot of places that reopened a decent chunk of people aren't following those guidelines and so, as we've seen in states that reopened more, there have been upticks (to say nothing of unprecedented number of "pneumonia" deaths in places like TX, GA, and FL that are claiming lower Covid infections and deaths).   Now, maybe that's just what we all accept and move on from.  100k are dead and as the adage goes, one death is a tragedy and a 100k is a statistic.  

But we aren't finding a vaccine in 3 months.  We aren't even likely to find a useful, widely-available treatment.  And other than maybe pockets of NYC, there isn't anything close to herd immunity out there.  So when schools open up and people go to games, students, athletes, fans, and everyone else will be exposed and there will be a surge.  It probably won't be an explosion, but preparing for it and being cognizant that once the doors are opened doesn't mean they can and will stay open for the rest of the year is just reality.

rc15

May 29th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^

50k people die in the US each year due to pneumonia. Florida is about 6-7% of the US population, so 5k doesn't seem far off what they should normally expect, especially with an older population.

Question becomes if COVID causes pneumonia, which disease do you "bin" that death to..? I'm guessing most have been binned to COVID in other states, and potentially a lot of the normal 50k pneumonia deaths binned to COVID even if the patient never had it, or got it once in the hospital.

TrueBlue2003

May 29th, 2020 at 7:13 PM ^

It's only May buddy.  Florida and Texas have both had about 5x as many supposedly non-COVD "pneumonia" deaths so far this year than they've averaged for the past five years. 

Given the very tight variance in previous years pneumonia deaths, it's impossible for this massive uptick to be a statistical anomaly/random chance.  It's covid.   But since there weren't tests done, they're not counting them as covid.  Deaths are being dramatically undercounted there. They're being undercounted everywhere, but some places moreso than others for...reasons.

Pinto1987

May 29th, 2020 at 9:06 AM ^

Does this help the discussion?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Feb 1 - May 27 2020:

Florida predicted excess deaths, all causes (including COVID), between 528 and 2212.

Alabama predicted excess deaths, all causes (including COVID), between 116 and 534.

Michigan predicted excess deaths, all causes (including COVID), between 5602 and 6802

CDC claims to have adjusted these numbers for underreporting.

Biaka yomama

May 29th, 2020 at 9:16 AM ^

No.  Not in terms of the bogus numbers Hatter just threw out.

Am I understanding this right that the CDC is estimating that Michigan is under reporting deaths far more than Florida or Bama?

Pinto1987

May 29th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^

I don't think so.

I think it means that the CDC believes that Michigan has experienced between 5600 and 6800 more deaths from all causes than it would have expected over the Feb 1 - May 27 period.  Michigan has reported ~5300 COVID deaths during that time. 

If my understanding is correct, it implies that (a) there may be some undercounting of COVID deaths in Michigan, or (b) there are other, non-COVID, causes of death that are increasing as well, or some combination of same. 

Blue_by_U

May 29th, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^

lol don't even start with slight of hand BS...how about OHIO phrasing not to mention capturing data from prisons and nursing homes as a sample of general populations.

Deaths reported in the last 24 hours are different
than the actual number of deaths in the last 24 hours. The number
reported includes deaths over several days, perhaps as far back as January.  

The practice of using “reported” data causes the public to
perceive more cases and more deaths than are occurring in the present. The
practice is confusing the press, the public and at times even the Governor and
Dr. Acton seem confused. 

Disclosing the death total as the “number of deaths reported
in the last 24 hours” neither a new practice, nor is it one without previous
contention. During a press conference on April 14 Governor DeWine
repeatedly claimed 50 people died over the previous 24 hours. The actual
number of reported deaths was five (5). When confronted with the disparity,
DeWine deferred to Amy Acton who said, “I think it might be a reporting lag.” 

lilpenny1316

May 29th, 2020 at 10:29 AM ^

From what I've read, both the media and scientific community have been doing a better job in the past month of noting the difference between the deaths reported in the last 24 hours and the actual number of deaths in that same period.

I'll be honest.  I have felt much better since I realized there was a difference between the two and I've been trying to calm family and friends with that knowledge.

Um1994

May 29th, 2020 at 10:47 AM ^

In contrast, could states like MI and NY be over-reporting COVID deaths, or does that not fit your narrative?  Have you checked on states reporting high COVID deaths to see if their deaths from pneumonia, COPD, etc have decreased?  Don't think that Fox is the only "news" channel that has an agenda, my friend.  They all do, and they are all obvious about it.  I can never understand why people on a sports blog want to knock other people's political views.  Many, particularly our governor here in MI, say "don't politicize this health issue" while continually politicizing it.  Just because reporting agrees with your political views doesn't make it objective!

Um1994

May 29th, 2020 at 10:57 AM ^

In contrast, could states like MI and NY be over-reporting COVID deaths, or does that not fit your narrative?  Have you checked on states reporting high COVID deaths to see if their deaths from pneumonia, COPD, etc have decreased?  Don't think that Fox is the only "news" channel that has an agenda, my friend.  They all do, and they are all obvious about it.  I can never understand why people on a sports blog want to knock other people's political views.  Many, particularly our governor here in MI, say "don't politicize this health issue" while continually politicizing it.  Just because reporting agrees with your political views doesn't make it objective!

03 Blue 07

May 29th, 2020 at 1:02 PM ^

Nope, NY also saw a massive spike in overall deaths— not just CoVid deaths— suggesting an undercount of CoVid cases. They had more deaths In a single month than any month ever on record, including after 9/11. And they’ve had 6x the number of normal deaths, far more than the CoVid count, as of a month ago.

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

jmblue

May 29th, 2020 at 5:15 PM ^

Excessive mortality is a murky statistic though, because we can't assume that all other conditions are killing people at normal rates under lockdown conditions.  The cancellation of elective surgeries and a general fear of going to the ER during a pandemic may have increased deaths from non-COVID conditions but it's tough to know.

Teeba

May 29th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^

Fox didn’t think the riots in Minneapolis last night were newsworthy. It’s either that, or they knew their reporters would be in serious danger if they were to be on-site. Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN had non-stop coverage. Is “news” news, or not? I get the lame-ass “it’s an opinion show” arguments from both sides, but when a police station is burning in a major US city, that’s fucking BREAKING NEWS.

Teeba

May 29th, 2020 at 11:55 AM ^

I don’t have 3 TVs to monitor simultaneously. I am not lying when I say that every time I switched over to Fox News, Fox Business or OAN, they were covering something else. I’ll take your word that you saw them covering the riot. Please offer me the same courtesy by not insinuating that I am lying for an agenda.

This board is really great. Say something factual from a moderate/centrist position and you’ll get shit on from both sides. 

P.S. BBC was covering something else when I checked them, but they have a more international outlook.

Blue_by_U

May 29th, 2020 at 11:48 AM ^

uh fox news has an entire hot topic area for the riots/er...protetests. I've seen multiple videos, articles, comments regarding the issues on fox, cnn, msn, msnbc, yahoo, mlive, any outlet honestly..it's major fucking breaking news...yes.