Iowa is opening up Kinnick.
"We have 100 more days (until Iowa kick off) and by then, my guess is we're going to learn a lot between now and then," Barta told local reporters. "My staff (and I) are still planning for several different scenarios and the scenarios we plan for, can change by the day, by the hour, by the week, but as of today, we are still planning to open Kinnick up and have as many fans that want to join us, join us."
What people fail to realize is that all this quarantine can do is hopefully minimize the risk...but it cannot remove it. No matter when the state you live in opens, what will absolutely 100% positively happen is people will get COVID and infections will increase compared to quarantine. That is what is absolutely going to happen. We just hope that our actions have flattened the curve, but there will still be a curve / people getting infected.
Well we’ve already flattened the curve. And now we’ve gone from flatten the curve to wait til we have a vaccine..
It's interesting cause the US is such a large geographic area. Looking at overall numbers for the US, the curve has flattened. When you look at individual states, it's a different story. Part of the reason the curve has flattened in the US is some of the states that had substantial early outbreaks have seen a significant decrease in their daily numbers - New York and New Jersey being the two biggest. Other states have not seen the curve flatten and are still seeing an upwards trajectory in the number of cases they are reporting.
Trump blew the response months ago which is why things are as dire as they have been and he continues jawboning to get people to do the wrong things.
His refusal to wear a mask sets precedence for his army of deplorable idiots and is likely the reason why 20% or so of the shoppers at my local Meijer flaunt state law by not wearing masks.
Ironic, isn't it, as Trump is a known germaphobe who has anyone who even remotely comes into contact with him tested EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Now, if that isn't a "let them eat cake" moment...
The US will continue to pay the price for his lack of leadership and it will impact the overall strength of the country.
Ah yes stopping travel from China, Europe, and the UK back in January/February is really blowing it. You made it seem like he’s doing this all to spite us. There are people on both sides of the aisle didn’t handle it well. Deblasio of NYC and Pelosi of CA saying to ride the subways and enjoy Chinatown and don’t worry about COVID to grandstand and make some point that they’re not xenophobic.
I’m sure next you’ll blame Trump for creating COVID-19 too. Take a walk
US intelligence agencies were warning him in November of the threat of the coronavirus. Trump brushed it off as no big deal. That's why we are where we are now. We had a chance to shut this thing down and likely only have it as a small blip on our radar.
Too bad we have a troglodyte in office.
I have to ask. Is what your saying premised on the fact that the novel coronavirus was present and a threat to America in November, 2019, when current information places the first confirmed case on December 30, 2019, in Wuhan? Is there reports that US intelligence had information that the disease in fact was spreading and a threat before that. I am honestly asking, I don't discount anything at this point, I just want to see if this is a real thing or if you are just talking out of your ass.
He ignored daily intelligence briefings in December and January when he could have taken decisive action on travel, PPE, testing, and contact tracing.
In fact, he sent PPE to China.
He had a huge rally of his deplorable base in SC in late February.
I watched him call it a Democratic hoax on TV on 3/15.
Yeah, you continue to try to spin gold out of your cherry picked bullshit -- he's #1 (in all the wrong ways). On March 10th the US and South Korea had similar numbers of hospitalizations and deaths -- take a look at the numbers now.
He absolutely blew it.
Might also have to do with fact we are arguably least healthy most obese country in world both of which have been proven to be huge factors
I agree. Trump is a total asshole for making Michigan's governor pay old folks homes to take Covid19+ residents . And then he doubled down by making her husband try to brow beat some dock worker into putting his boat in the water! IMPEACH NOW!!!
Yes!! Orange Man bad, he said pussy once, he's bad.
Him saying pussy once doesn’t make him bad. Him being a shitty person makes him bad. He is utterly incompetent and extremely unqualified to be a leader in the time America needs a leader most. Orange man is bad, but not for the reason you stated
I am legit surprised at the number of people who think he's a good person despite 40 years of evidence to the contrary. He's been in the limelight as long as I can remember and he's always been a shitty person. Putting an R next to his name didn't magically change that.
He's bad because he's a self-centered, petty, egotistical, narcissistic piece of shit. He's proven that over the course of most of his adult life. Him saying "grab em by the pussy" didn't all of a sudden start that. It simply brought it to the forefront of people's minds. I don't think the Democrats are a shining beacon of the ethical high ground either. Personally I think both parties are awful and rotten to the core, but Trump is a just flat-out awful human being. I don't know that I can say that about many past presidents.
If someone votes for him because his policies are more in line with that person's political ideology, fine, whatever. I get there are some dealbreaker social issues he (supposedly) supports that you will never see eye-to-eye with Democrats on. I get that. But if someone votes for him because they think he's a good man, or is this true champion of traditional Christian values as many think he is, I really have to sit there and question that person's common sense. Or even their own code of ethics.
No, he's a total a-hole for the reasons BM stated and more, such as claiming full and complete power but no responsibility, not taking this seriously months ago, disbanding the pandemic response team, constantly contradicting CDC guidelines, not securing PPE and leaving it to states to bid against each other, constantly blaming China as if that will make the problem go away and making the governors praise him in order to get any type of help from the federal government. Not to mention his obsessive belief (or lies) that hydroxychloroquine will work and his suggestion that we try injecting disinfectant into the bodies of sick patients.
100,000 Americans are dead. Governors like Whitmer and Cuomo certainly have a lot to answer for and have made some deadly mistakes. But don't act like the president is totally blameless in this scenario - many of these deaths could have been prevented.
Do you wear a seatbelt while driving?
That depends on your age.
If you're younger, true.
If you're older, false.
U.S. Car deaths per year are in the 30-40k range for the last many years. In less than one year, COVID in the U.S. has killed ~100k. Given how few people have actually contracted COVID (though it is hard to know), your statement will get less and less true over time, as more people catch it.
You don't have to monger fear to know some of the basic numbers, and take appropriate -- but not excessive -- precaution.
Fear mongering is a term that is being thrown around a lot. When I leave the house, I see a lot of people wearing masks. I get the feeling that once everything opens up again, those people won't be in a rush to sit in a crowded stadium or eat in a restaurant.
You can open up everything immediately. I doubt it will have the impact you are expecting. I know season ticket holders don't want to lose their seats but how many people realistically will show up to watch a game?
Id absolutely go. Im in a safe demographic.
My state opened outdoor dining recently. The restaurants are pretty crowded on nice days. I cant wait to pick out tonight if the weather is nice.
No, the response to opening up will be incremental. The sooner you start though, the sooner things get better. It's not like flipping a switch but I've haven't seen many arguing that it would be. What is clear is that the longer you penalize small businesses, the more that will fail for reasons not of their making.
My hospital customers are working overtime to coax patients that have health care needs, some of which can be life threatening, back into the hospital. You’re correct that you could open everything up and there will be some “self regulation”. The question is how swiftly change occurs.
Why not lower speed limit to 20 mph everywhere as that will automatically lower death rates. Seems most concerned with death rates these days should be all for changes like this for safety of society
It's almost like risks depend on age. If so, why shouldn't an old person be required to be more careful than a six year old?
JPC I'll even jump across this divide...the fear is, that 6 year old may contract it, surely highly contagious, be asymptomatic, take it home, and spread it to grandma and grandpa. That's a clear path I get...the rest of it is just control factor using fear as it's tool. We use a scalpel to solve a nose bleed.
People living with old folks should be more careful. People who are a thousand miles away from grandparents shouldn't.
The point is, asymmetric risks = asymmetric precautions. My wife and I haven't left the house in months because she has an immune disorder. That doesn't mean you need to do the same.
and I fully respect your decisions to protect your wife, exercise stronger measures in your own home and limit contact as much as possible. Reality is, at some point, she's either going to come in contact with it now, or never. If if...if...vaccine, herd immunity, masks, whatever. great point.
Change required to encouraged and I agree with you.
Good point. I don't actually care what old people do. It's their life. If they don't want to spend their last years fucking around with face masks they should go right ahead.
But I act like a six year old.
"Some of us want to get back to our normal lives, Chalky. Not all of us are fear mongers."
OK so far even though the second sentence is unnecessarily emo.
"We have a much greater chance of dying in a car crash than from this virus, yet we all continue to drive."
Oops. Why mess up your post with what you should know by now is a lousy comparison? Sample:
While we're on the subject, two interesting sets of numbers (that still don't validate the comparison):
https://www.nsc.org/work-safety/tools-resources/injury-facts/chart
Just because people have different feelings about how quickly we should completely reopen (and some people feel doing it to completely and to quickly could well lead to a spike necessitating reinstituting more significant restrictions) doesn’t mean we don’t all want to go back to our normal lives.
I’d personally rather improve the chances that schools and workplaces can stay open by doing things like: mandatory mask wearing in buildings open to the public, restricting large events (e.g. allow sports but with very limited or n fans), continuing telework for those who can, etc. than return completely to normal to quickly and end up right back in a worse place. You and others can call that fear mongering, I call it prudent weighing of risks.
By the way, for every 10 year age bracket 44-54 and above, annual death rates fro covid are already similar or greater for Covid than car accidents.
I told her you'll know in a few weeks when everybody is back to doing whatever the heck they want. If everybody is sick all over again by July, you'll know real quick if you will be in church again anytime soon.
I bet you it won't be that clear what to do. I don't think we're going to deviate that much from our current trend lines. Widespread safe practices (masks, distancing) combined with more outdoor activity and school closed probably will balance out the effects of more social activity. Organizations are just going to have to take an arbitrary stand one way or the other.
Good for them.
Kinnick at night? There's the vaccine. No virus stands a chance.
Sounds reasonable to me. For those that didn’t read the article, the AD basically says that they are looking at many different options, and as of TODAY, they are still planning in being fully open.
ttps://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-bombshell-study-half-uninfecte…
Interesting research.
Duq easy with studies and information that focuses on normalcy...you don't have a right to post anything that contradicts the fear in place, second wave, flatten the curve, save the hospital mindset...too much fear for this false prophecy nonsense you speak of. I had a similar discussion with one of the MgoDocs here who was exposed, had no symptoms, and no anti-bodies with no answer why...it's possible there is more about COVID than models and experts know.
And btw thanks for the link, I'll read through the information and try to find some normal function in my life. I have an article about Dewine and Ohio and all the crap they are turning up over their Obama loving Health director and their information.
You didn't even read the article did you? Let me guess you just saw conservative review and said to yourself, "hey that's my team."
All it said is T-cells may or may not be able to partially fight the virus, and people with larger T-cell counts might be better off. But T-cells aiding immunoresponse is nothing new, not even for coronaviruses.
So no, it's not particularly interesting research and certainly doesn't support whatever you think it supports.
Yeah that part where I stated thanks for the link...I'll take some time to read it. Helps when YOU read...before making snide asshole comments ..shoe...fits.
I honestly do believe there is a way to start opening things up and perhaps even have reasonably large gatherings while minimizing the risk. However, in order to do that people will need to adapt - masks, temperature checks, fewer people, frequent sanitizing. I am not encouraged by what I'm seeing as to how many people are willing to adapt versus how many people are just going to "go back to normal". When it comes to larger gatherings (schools, churches, sports) you're only as safe as the least careful person.
I live in Illinois, near the border of Wisconsin. Illinois has been relatively conservative with their opening without the more extreme political tension in states like Michigan or Wisconsin. However, as soon as Wisconsin's government started to fall apart, people from my area started flocking across the border to "go back to normal." One local youth baseball team started having secret practices in a remote field in Wisconsin. They then played games two weeks ago - posting pictures of the kids acting normal with high fives and group hugs. More local teams have now started playing games across the border while Illinois has stuck to more logical phased-base opening of practices with limited players.
I understand the need to open parts of the economy. I think we can safely resume some activities. I have no idea why people think youth baseball tournaments must resume as they were immediately when neither the professionals or colleges have even started practice. But our volunteer-led youth teams can go share water bottles and spit sunflower seeds like nothing happened. We'll see in about 3 weeks how this goes.....Wisconsin already set a record this week for most new cases.
The expansion of "normalcy" by people has gotten so extreme the word lacks any meaning. I understand people who want to go back to work; that level of normalcy I get and we should endeavor to achieve it. I can even sort of understand wanting to be able to go outside and get a drink/a bite to eat with friends (even though that can be dangerous). But stuff like youth baseball tournaments, Memorial Day parties in the Ozarks, dry-humping each other at bars, etc. just aren't a reality right now and people may just have to accept that. It doesn't mean we'll never be able to return to those endeavors but there are sacrifices everyone will have to make in the short term.
This makes sense. Their children's hospital overlooks the stadium so fans can be in the stadium for the first week and then their kids can watch the game from the hospital the next.
They're literally more likely to get hurt in an accident on the way to the game than they are from covid-19. You realize that, right?