Indiana Snowflakes: The Coaching

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This will be the repository for your thoughts and hot takes on the overall coaching during our game against Indiana.

BoFlex

October 14th, 2017 at 7:41 PM ^

A RsFr. Peyton Ramsey coached up by Mike Debord/Nick Sheridan had 192 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs against the #1 Defense in the nation, while a RsSr. John O'Korn with 3 years of Harbaugh had 66 yards, and 0 TDs.

MinWhisky

October 14th, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^

...to think JH isn't really that good of a QB coach.  Maybe his Stanford teams were successful because of Andrew Luck and not because of who coached him.  Not sure how much JH really helped Ruddock either.  Maybe Ruddock's success in the last half of the season was due to him gaining experience with the offense, and not JH. 

The QB problems I'm seeeing everyone point out seem like they should be ones that a really good QB coach could fix.  But I'm not seeing any improvement in the last 1.5 years with JOK and WS.  Why is that?

If the two young QBs aren't up to it either, who's responsible for that?

I think JH bears most of the responsibility for where the QBs and offens are right now. 

corundum

October 14th, 2017 at 4:15 PM ^

WRs were open and the run gane was grinding out yards all day. Play calling was appropriately conservative, but QB play is too bad for the coaching to matter. O’Korn locks on a guy and that’s that. I thought the game plan was significantly improved from last week.

RockinLoud

October 14th, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^

I was bashing the game-plan and playcalling from MSU all this week and my first impression is I agree with this take. Seemed like there were plays there, but were killed by JOK locking onto his pre-snap read or dudes just dropping balls. Plan and playcalling were much better, but I still hold there are major issues with WR and QB coaching as evidenced by our current level of execution.

Kind of off topic, but DPJ made a few yards out of nothing on some shit-blocked screens, and he was wide-open deep for a TD, how is he not getting the ball more? Or are teams zeroing in on him because he's our most explosive WR? How much of that is on the coaches?

cbs650

October 14th, 2017 at 4:02 PM ^

I dont know if this will help but maybe the Pep and Drevno need to be on the field or at least one of them. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe Fisch/Drevno coached from box past season.

BursleyBaitsBus

October 14th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

Brandon Peters for the love of god, Brandon Peters. IT DOESNT GET WORSE THAN 60 YARDS PASSING AGAINST IU. FFS HARBAUGH!!!!!

OwenGoBlue

October 14th, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^

The "better command of the huddle" thing is more likely a euphemism for not yet being ready to make the right checks at the line. Even if that's the case, if O'K can't get to his second read or throw for, say, 4 YPA why even roll him out there.

yoyo

October 14th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

O'Korn is terrible but that was way too conservative. We played the entire 4th quarter as of it was the last 2 minutes. Give dpj or gentry a chance against smaller defenders once or twice.

Glen Masons Hot Wife

October 14th, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^

If he could find them at the right times. I think our QB may have some issues seeing the play develop. Seems to be a reoccurring theme that he misses open receivers. Afraid not much you can do on offense if your QB can't make throws.

snarling wolverine

October 14th, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^

Last week we tried airing it out as a change of pace and it got us three INTs in the second half.

Our passing game is just a mess right now.  When it wasn't O'Korn getting happy feet and throwing to covered guys, it was Perry, McKeon or Crawford dropping passes. (Or, when we ran a great shovel pass, it was a delay of game penalty.)

If we can run for 250 yards or whatever, I'm fine with that.  All three TDs came on the ground.

 

SC Wolverine

October 14th, 2017 at 4:09 PM ^

There is no chance that we will run out a redshirt freshman QB for his first game on the road at Happy Valley in a night white-out.  All we can do is hope that the running game continues to step forward and that the defense gives an epic performance.  Because O Korn cannot play QB.

maizenbluedevil

October 14th, 2017 at 10:19 PM ^

And why the fuck not. I’m so sick of seeing this repeated. Texas went out to USC (an overrated top-5 team, I might add, similar to PSU), tough away game atmosphere at night and nearly won with a true freshman QB. Let’s face it, we roll with JOK next week and we are going to get destroyed. I’d rather give Peters a shot. We probably still get destroyed but with him there’s at least less than total certainty that the pass game will be a complete disaster. It’s either that, or, they should seriously take a look at the roster to see if anyone is a former HS triple option QB, because if the best guy we can put out there can only give us 58 yards against Indiana, the QB situation is THREETSHERIDAMNIT level bad.

MWolverine7

October 14th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

If O’Korn can’t be trusted to pass not sure what we gain leaving him the game - Any QB can handoff to the RB - that’s all I got

George Pickett

October 14th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

Michigan is clearly in a rebuilding year.  There are some coaching issues without a doubt, but at the same time, when you have a QB who simply cannot play the position, your options are extremely limited.  The most disappointing thing is that Peters somehow hasn't passed O'Korn.

getsome

October 14th, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^

you got it, sounds spot on.  maybe it clicks in year 3 for peters but not a good sign at all that hes not even remotely considered an option on this struggling O.  yes, their D and kicking have been good enough to win a few games with a little run game so i somewhat understand the staffs position and thought process (of trying not to lose it on O via turnovers and whatnot) but that approach wont cut it vs better teams on schedule

kevin holt

October 14th, 2017 at 4:04 PM ^

It's a lot harder to start a redshirt freshman in his first game on the road at night against a top 5 team. That said Peters better be the fucking QB; I'm just saying he would've been a lot better off with this game first.

corundum

October 14th, 2017 at 4:04 PM ^

Needed more players on the directed side of the field for the onside kick. If that was Crawford out there, then I have no idea why he would be on the ‘hands’ team.

BlueMk1690

October 14th, 2017 at 4:05 PM ^

seems silly. This is football in 2017, you don't send your backs out 40 times a game and expect them to last the season. It's not like this was *the* big game of the season or something.