If games are played this fall, would you go to the Big House or not?
This sort of plays off the post below regarding who would be allowed to go if there were socially distanced/partial capacity crowds allowed at games.
As I mentioned in that thread, IF (big if) crowds are allowed, more than likely they will be partial capacity for social distancing purposes. Maybe we'll see 25,000 or 33,000 but certainly not sell out/over 100,000 fans (Good bye consecutive over 100,000 fans streak unfortunately). What I suspect is that the Athletic Department would do two things (1) not bother with single game sales and (2) allow season ticket holders who want to defer their ticket payments to 2021.
So the question is, would you defer or would you go to games and under what conditions would you feel safe enough to go (social distancing etc). Truthfully I'm struggling with this. As badly as I want to go to games (and its badly, as it has been for the 20 years I've been a season ticket holder), I'm the parent of young kids who rely on me and I can't help but think they're priority #1 and I shouldn't risk my health for a football game.
I would 100% go. As a healthy person, there is absolutely no reason to not go to an outside event. I also don't need the government telling me what I can and can't do when they are basing their decisions on politics and inaccurate models.
And what, pray tell, are you basing your decision on?
upwards of 2.2 million could die from this in the US alone!!!....errr....OK maybe hundreds of thousands!!!!! well...maybe just 100,000 for now...SEE social distancing!!! Yep, still a lot at play, and yes many have cut the totals down by containing hot spots with limited travel and necessary limits. But models have been INCREDIBLY misleading and the narrative changes weekly.
Well, with a US population of 328 million and a 0.5% fatality rate with 0% immunity 1.64 million is your potential in rough numbers. I would assume the virus would die out long before it reached 100% penetration of course, but the potential is still there.
It's going to get to the max number sooner or later, 2020, 2021, 2022, whenever. China, Japan, Singapore and S. Korea all thought they had this thing beat at one point, and they've all been wrong.
The point originally made was evidence and decisions made on science and data that has changed like shit stained underwear...the original high estimate of 1 million plus isn't even remotely close in the US. We could easily surpass 100,00 "reported" deaths before fall...even with your 1.64 million...that's 10% of early projections. I'd even argue the tested/confirmed cases is high, but death rate is not even close and thankfully so.
Oh you mean the numbers that were based on if we put NO restrictions in place? Because that's what those were.
I'm not going to any sporting events, concerts, etc until there's a vaccine. I highly doubt people will be allowed to attend games anyway.
You might not be doing shit for a long long long time then.
There’s some thought that this may be a seasonal thing we deal with regularly, like FluA or FluB ... if so, that means covid virus is mutating enough to get past many or most immune systems.
Now, the standard flu shot is anywhere from 20% to 80% effective any given year (typically about 60-70% effective). This is because scientists guess (i.e. see what the computer models say) and develop next years vaccine based on the computer models. Some years the models are good. Some years they’re not.
Now, if covid is a recurring, annual thing like influenza, we’re all going to have to live with the fact that a) covid vaccines are educated guesses and b) we’re all going to get it a number of times over the remaining years if our lives.
AFAICS it's not in the same class as the flu as far as mutations are concerned. Sample piece:
Per my few but consistent comments on this subject. They don’t know. They’re looking at the rate of mutation they currently know (and they don’t even know how accurate that is) and saying
“I don’t think it’ll <insert topic of opinion here>”
Fact is they don’t know if it’ll be seasonal or not ... my point was IF it is, vaccines for it will be just like for the flu, they aren’t going to do much except kinda help some of the population in which case we’re all gonna get whether you go to a game or sit inside for the rest of your life
Your option is to wear a hazmat suit. This whole, we need a vaccine notion is another moving the goal posts. For your sake and mine, I hope we get a vaccine sooner than later.
Then I hope you are prepared to wait years, or have mentally accepted the possibility that you may never go to another event again. There's the possibility that a vaccine is never produced and that we all just have to find a way to live with this virus.
You seriously will never go out again if that proves to be the case?
There will be a vaccine and also better (proven) treatments. I work in healthcare, I know how this works.
Hope you're right. I'm no medical expert but it sure seems like we are a long ways off from a workable vaccine even being approved, much less distributed on a massive global scale that is made readily available to your average everyday joes.
Wow. “I work in Health Care, I know how this works...”? That actually made me laugh out loud!!!!
I’m still laughing. Jesus thar was funny!!!!
I’m not negging you. I think that’s a personal choice for what’s best for you. We are not sure if and when a vaccine is going to be available and how effective it may be.
Add in the mutations and this is something we could likely be dealing with for years. Immunity may be seasonal or have a redeeming value. Lets hope this virus weakens in its ability to attack people over time and we discover treatments that lessen the severity.
Just because some people want to stay home doesn’t mean they should force everyone else to stay home also. People need to work and produce or we are all screwed.
You know the flu vaccine isn't very effective (46% for 2020) so I wouldn't hold your breath for the covid version to be much better: https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot
And if there is NEVER. A vaccine? HIV, SARS, etc are still waiting.
No thanks.
Anytime, anywhere. I'm very optimistic that Brown County in Wisconsin (lambeau field) is trending that way so I can attend my usual amount of packer games with my family's season tickets. Gotta have hope for something!
Anyone on here gotten COVID19 yet? (this is a serious question)
It's bound to happen... want to hear first hand what it's like, then I'll make my decision.
A couple people in threads several weeks ago described their experience.
I've got a cousin that works in a hospital in NYC that had it. She's a very healthy, very active person in her mid 30's. She recovered, but it did not sound like an experience I would want to have.
three in my family, but none in my household. 90 yr old passed. one 30 yr old was completely asymptomatic. one 23 yr old had the regular 'flu' and felt cruddy for 4-5 days. he is a former all-ivy track star type, very healthy (and a great kid).
The question is whether you trust the people making the decisions about whether there should be games or not.
My assumption is that if they're saying it's safe to have 100,000+ people in a stadium that there's some evidence for that. In that case, I'd consider it. I don't think this is a decision any of us will have the opportunity to make, but who knows what'll happen in the next few months.
I'm dying to watch UM sleepwalk through 40 minutes vs Mighty Arkansas State.
I'll be there masked up and ready to shell out $5 for a bottle of water!
I'm worried the fatties will take up too much space and would still be within 6ft since they hog 2 seats as it is.
will Vintage Harbaugh attend? If so, count me in.
on the other hand... vintage Harbaugh = increased spat fluids = increased risk. But F it, I miss passionate Harbaugh.
I would absolutely go, wearing a mask, like the beta cuck I am
That's me too but that doesn't make us betas, it makes us properly cautious. Masks are going to be part of life for a long time now. I have an Asian nurse wife and she demands I wear a mask any time I: cut the lawn, dust, clean, handle the pool chemicals, etc. So adding the mask to the trips to the store wasn't a big deal to me lol
I agree, I said that fully tongue-in-cheek.
I don't know the significance of your wife being Asian, but good to know lol
okay - now I'm paranoid.
Short of a therapeutic treatment being available, no way.
Hopefully, we see news on the efficacy of convalescent plasma and monoclonal antibody treatments by then. I don't think that amateur athletes should play until treatments are available, either.
Regarding athletes- I’s like to hear from THEM in whether they wish to play. I’m betting 95% or more would say YES!
We will be in our seats. My wife and I have both had Covid . My 70 yr old mother who is a breast cancer survivor and has a compromised immune system has had it and my 68 yr old aunt that’s 100lbs overweight has asthma and diabetes has had it and she’s already back working at the nursing home. I’m sure Covid is a bad thing for a very small percentage of people but that has not been me or my family’s experience. It wasn’t much different then the flu. Quit being scared!!
I’m really, honestly, happy for you and your family members that have had such favorable outcomes with this virus! You are really fortunate. That being said, to tell people not to be scared, and that the four cases you are familiar with are your sample size for suggesting that is irresponsible.
Telling people to be frightened of something that has a less 1% death rate is irresponsible. What all You so called smart people haven’t figured out yet is this. Everything has been shut down for 2 months. Except it hasn’t , Walmart, Meijer’s, target, Lowe’s , Home Depot and many more big box stores. Every single person in every single town has been going to at least one of these stores on several occasions. Like on a weekly basis to get groceries , yet with every single person in every city still shopping at their local grocier the infection and death rate has continued to drop.
So with everyone still going to their local liquor store, hardware store and grocery store touching everything this virus has still diminished and so has the death rate. Wake up!! It’s not fun to get it buts it’s not something we should be scared to death of and something we should sacrifice everything to avoid. Quit believing all the hype and use common sense. Don’t ignore it but don’t think that if you get it your doomed because 99.9 % chance is your not !! We have nothing to fear but fear itself
no "so-called smart person" suggested, ever, that shutting everything but "liquor stores, hardware stores and grocery stores" would do anything but reduce the infection in the overall population.
oh, fuck this. stay home when you can and wear a mask when you can't, dumbass.
Your the dumbass mindless troll that believes Everything your told. We didn’t know much about this when it started so we all made Decisions with very little info. Now we know that for most people theres no reason to get all panicky and worried. It’s a virus, not the first and won’t be the last last. But everyone said Georgia and Florida were gonna be in bad shape if they lifted restrictions . Well they’re not!! So sit in your house and listen to whitmer and be scared , be very scared. While all of us people that can think for ourselves look at more productive ways too handle this situation. This country was not built by idiots like you
Wow. I feel like I just read a summarized response from every single person that thinks this is no big deal; information littered in feelings and without actual data. Every person in your town has been going to the store? Multiple times per week? In the same fashion they were completing these tasks before the virus? Absolutely wrong. (Unless you live in a town of you and yours that you can vouch for). Most, if not all, of these places have limited the numbers of people that can be in the store, the amount of in store cleaning occurring, their hours, and the requirements of their patrons.
In addition, a LARGE number of people had their groceries delivered or did curbside pickup, drastically reducing their interactions.
Again, congrats to you and yours on your positive experience. But to generally say “it’s not fun to get” as a shrug off, is your personal experience and not one shared by THOUSANDS of other people.
Nobody is suggesting that we sacrifice everything. Actually, most people haven’t sacrificed very much at all in the scheme of things. You could actually make an argument that for a number of people they have gained during this (time with family, simple activities.
Your not even allowed to visit family and friends idiot. If your not willing to even acknowledge that this is not near as bad as we thought and that for most people the chances of death or serious complications are small then obviously you either haven’t paid attention to New Data or you refuse to believe anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.
It’s funny how you think your smarter then people who have had Covid, or the governors And leaders of states who have handled this differently With far better results. You have zero credibility because you can’t admit to anything other then the facts that fit your narrative
*You’re - just because you’re putting words in my mouth.
I probably am more educated on this virus than the average Covid survivor. That doesn’t mean that their experiences and opinions aren’t of benefit. By your logic “ I was struck by lightning and survived, therefore I know more about what happens to you when you’re struck by lightning AND because I survived nobody should be scared of it; play golf in thunderstorms, fly kites with keys, you’ll be fine.”
I am completely on board with opening things up. If you recall though, the premise of my response was that your comment was based on opinion from your experience. Not data. You have implied that your opinion is data driven, but have only further supported it with opinion. That’s not how it works.
Best wishes to you and yours as life gets moving again.
Is it true that a lasting side effect of the virus is a habit of randomly capitalizing words in the middle of sentences?
Wow.. your very witty. Let’s try to make a point by pointing out the spelling or grammatical errors of a poster whose typing on a 4” in screen on a sports blog. Damn your so smart. Thank god we have people like you in the world to save us from are typing errors . Great job sport!!
Cmon. That was funny.
I never went to a lot of sporting events, concerts or movies anyways. I'm just too old for those types of crowds and hassles. So the only change to my normal social schedule will be not eating out at restaurants.
Still, I have to wonder: why would anyone take the risk? Showing up because it's your livelihood is different, but I really don't think a lot of people are going to do big crowd events purely for entertainment purposes.
I miss sports primarily because it's the optimal way to mark the passage of time. But I'm starting to accept being without them until next year.
Do I have to pay $85 to watch them play a MAC school?
I'm sure stubhub will have them super cheap as a lot of people will say hell no to the games and want to dump their tickets
Would not go this year.
What I find especially interesting about this question is the change in tone of the responses. I recall feeling very proud reading the overwhelming support of the suggestions coming from the scientific community when this all started. Incredibly, a few months has really flipped the script.
To answer the question, as of right now, absolutely not. Based on the information that’s available there is no way I would place the people around me (in the stadium, at home, in the hospital, etc) at risk to watch a football game.
Unlike a fair number of people here, my desire to watch a football game live, go to a concert (damn you Corona, I had Rage tickets), mingle at my favorite watering hole, taking my young children to Disney, etc. do not outweigh the risks that those decisions have on other people around me.
Just as some of the argument against anti-vaxer’s go, it’s not just about you, it’s about everyone else.
I get it. This sucks. It sucks for everyone. It sucks that people are losing/have lost their jobs. It sucks that a lot of the things that bring us happiness are not currently favorable decisions. It won’t last forever.
Or after six weeks people have had a chance to absorb the information that is out there and figure out what they think is appropriate behavior or what they are comfortable with. Yeah, there are a ton of yahoos LARPing around the capital, but that's not really representative of the folks who are saying they would go to a game tomorrow. If I go to a game, I'd be wearing a mask and would also be outdoors, two things that seem to mitigate both my risk and the risk I would pose to others.
The goalposts keep getting moved in terms of what people need to feel comfortable, which is why i think you're seeing the pushback.