How are we supposed to maintain a culture recruting pitch?

The single thing I’ve been looking for is a sign (any sign, really) of Moore being criticized on or off the record by players or other coaches/staff and have not seen anything to that extent. 

In my experience, Head Coach=Players>>>Other coaches (staff, etc) for making up “culture” 

While it’s true most teams that win a NC don’t have as much visible uncertainty at this point in the offseason, the players apparently love their new HC and are building from an amazing culture as well. I’ll take it and I suspect many recruits not scared off by NIL geared towards back-end compensation will take it as well.

Pretty simple actually. 

Team M (just a random letter off the top of my head) is very successful. Team M also happens to have one of the most desired head coaches at any level of football. Said coach has done all he can in college football and heads to the NFL to win their ultimate prize. But before doing so, he tabs a successor - someone who has been instrumental in Team M's culture and success on and off the field. 

Unfortunately, Team M cannot promote all of its remaining coaches and so some go elsewhere. Other teams notice and offer jobs to Team M's coaches - because they too would like some of that success, or simply because the coach wants a promotion / bigger role. Thus is the price of success. 

Conversely, take Team MSU (totally random assortment of letters). Team MSU sucks donkey balls. Team MSU has coaches leave to go elsewhere because the culture is awful and they are not winning. 

One of those is not like the other. In case you are still unclear how Michigan will maintain culture/recruiting, we are the former. 

Gosh.

Dude.

Most of the players coming to play in college dream of an NFL career. They understand that for many (most), the NFL is the ultimate destination. This often applies to coaches just as well as players, and I think they can understand that better than most. 

I would bet that most coaches "growing up" would say their goal is the NFL. Some never get the chance. Some do and wash out (Paging Mr Meyer...Mr Urban Meyer). 

Short term, yeah, it might cost you if a recruit was primarily coming for a specific coach. Long term, coaches come and coaches go. Has nothing to do with "culture"

Some of those other guys... Can't ever recall Day even being asked to interview for an NFL team

This happens at other programs all the time. It’s pretty common for head coaches to leave for the next higher level of the profession, and to take some of their staff with them. Every coach that departs is 100% committed to his current team, until he isn’t.

Harbaugh’s departure is pretty easily explainable, because he is leaving for the one thing he does not have on his resume that Michigan can’t provide: a Super Bowl ring. Besides, Harbaugh has been flirting with the NFL for several years. You think recruits don’t know this? Nobody could have been truly surprised by it.

It is not a program killer. We’re not used seeing a coach leave voluntarily for a higher-level job, but it is not unique just because Michigan fans have not seen it.

Good Lord. Just stop.

Nothing bad has happened. When you win a natty, your coaches become hot commodities. It's called a good problem. Learn to be happy.

Nobody does Chicken Little bullshit quite like the mgoboard.

There are things in the future that make me nervous about Michigan football. The culture is not one of them.

This might win the top shit post award in quite some time.

This hurt my head to read.

New rule: if you feel the need to write "Send me to Bolivia for this one and neg me as much as you want" - don't post your thread.

I agree somewhat with your concern; time will tell. However, I am always happy to neg someone who asks for it!

There is some truth to what you are saying if you take it from the perspective that all of the coaches leaving looks like a very transactional move on its face. I think the way that Michigan needs to sell its culture is to go back first to something that it used to do as part of its pitch. That is you are committing to Michigan the school and its values. You are not committing to a coaching staff. The coaching staff reflects Michigan’s culture and values. That’s why we hire in-house and why we promote continuity.

Answer: keep winning

I logged on to neg OP just because he asked for it.

Roll call for ANYONE here who enjoyed our first undisputed national championship in 75 years…for more than 3 weeks?!

JFC

The question of “how” is legit. What’s idiotic is “how…WHEN WE CAN’T????!!!! AAAHHHHHHH”

Let The Team actually Team itself during this transition. 

I expect recruits to be more comfortable with Moore than JH. The younger staff helped shape the current state of the program, and Moore is one of the main reason. I’m confident he knows how to sell it and speak to its results. We are the defending National Champs. 
 

this program doesn’t need to use the same Cliche from Bob any more. The program has elevated, which is a great thing. 
 

I've never seen a fanbase lose its mind so easily. Relax folks. Moore has a chance to build this thing his way now with his personality behind hires and day to day activity. Jim's gone, it's Moore's show now. If a S&C coach was is this detrimental, it wasn't going to work anyway 

Once again, I think this blog needs a "more points to post" requirement.  And a "bolivia" should be more points deducted.  

If you get -50 points on a post for example it should have a 10x multiplier.  And it should be -500.  

College football is just shy of fully professionalized at this point. In the NFL, location, culture, opportunity to win... these things matter and can give a slight edge, but money is king. Either Michigan joins the "mercenary" professional culture of college football or they get left in the dust. If you don't like it, welcome to the club of people who hate what has happened to college football. That said... DIII still exists if you want that true amateur feel!

Definition of concern trolling. Spartan or buckeye?

I mean I do believe Moore is the guy to continuing the cultural foundation that has been laid, but there is no doubt he will have to work harder to counteract the AD essentially not wanting to adapt to the current realities of the landscape. Player development and retention will continue to have to try and make up the difference. 

I'm sorry to be somewhat reductionist, but you know the main thing that creates "culture"?

Winning.

Nobody has "culture" at 6-6.

      Rob

PS - FWIW, I don't disbelieve in the concept of culture as an aide to a successful organization. However, I'm saying success and culture have a two way symbiosis, and I think sometimes people think the "love" is what creates the success, when it's more complicated than that.

We are Michigan …. Enough said 

Do you think that the coaching staff and philosophies do not change? There is a whole phone book of former coaches / coordinators / staff members who have left Harbaugh, and the University since Harbaugh was hired. They managed to still recruit with all of that turnover. There is not stability in college football coaching. If Moore hires a good staff, things will be fine. 

It doesn’t hurt to point out the NIL compensation for 2023.(#7 nationally) Corum $1.2 million and McCarthy $879,000 for 2023