Hockey performance reaching UNACCEPTABLE levels

Submitted by karpodiem on November 14th, 2019 at 9:19 PM

Brian needs to get a little ornery and complain about this in a level of detail greater than what most people can here, because I fan only muster a single word to describe the performance I saw tonight - bullshit.

Wolverine Devotee

November 14th, 2019 at 9:32 PM ^

This is unfortunately nothing new to this decade of Michigan Hockey. 

Starting the season this bad is what we’ve done every year for quite some time now. Even the 2015-16 CCM team it didn’t feel right because of how bad the defense was (winning games 10-6 etc)

bronxblue

November 14th, 2019 at 11:49 PM ^

That's the one thing I've picked up about hockey recruiting is that it has a massive delay in terms of bringing in top talent.  Some programs do the thing where they pick up a bunch of 22-year-old freshmen who aged out of minor league hockey, but otherwise you have this 2-3 year lead-up to guys actually signing with your team.

It's weird - this team feels like it's only a couple of breaks/some cohesiveness away from being pretty good.  This game was weird (I'll admit to only following it on Twitter), but if they can consistently score 3 goals a game they'll be pretty good.  

crg

November 15th, 2019 at 6:24 AM ^

From what I saw last night (only caught the last 2 periods), the talent is there but the execution is not - the puck handling was particularly sloppy with many turnovers in the defensive zone and poor passing in the offensive zone.  Having PPs with only one SOG (or less!) is rather damning.

JonnyHintz

November 15th, 2019 at 8:22 AM ^

This. Hockey recruiting at a top program boils down to two types of players. You have one and done types, where you’re lucky if they come back a second year (Quinn Hughes, Josh Norris, Johnny Beecher, Cam York for recency example) and then you have your “lifers.” Fringe/late round NHL type players who you expect to be contributors by their junior and senior seasons. Looking back a few years, you see guys like Hyman, Copp, Compher, and Motte filling these roles EXTREMELY well. Still NHL type talent, but not on that one and done level.  
 

Now the problem with this team, is we severely lack that upperclassmen offensive talent. Guys like Lockwood (more of a power forward) and Slaker that you’d need to lead the team offensively arent producing. A lot of that falls on Red’s recruiting on his way out of the door. Not his fault entirely, as not many top kids want to go play for a coach who is retiring. But you see the ramifications of that in the upperclassmen on this roster. Many of Mel’s freshmen and sophomores are playing and producing at the level of these upperclassmen, and that’s not how quality top programs are built. 
 

As for the future, you look at the current roster and you can see guys like Garrett Van Whye as a sophomore and he is a guy who looks like he can fill that upperclassmen role. Ciccolini is a late round pick, only a freshman, but he’s shown flashes that he can fill that role down the line. Jimmy Lambert is on that list too. But again, those are all young guys who you don’t expect to fill those roles until they’re upperclassmen. To really hammer that’s point home, Hyman had 89 points in his four years at Michigan, 54 of those came in his senior year. Michigan doesn’t have any upperclassmen who can fill that type of role, and that doesn’t fall on Mel. 
 

Michigan hockey as we see it today, is a prime example of the legendary coach getting out of there at the right time, and his successor trying to mold something out of the crumbling infrastructure. This was always going to be a rebuild, and unless you deeply understand college hockey and roster management, it was a rebuild you wouldn’t see coming. So it’s easy to blame Mel. But if you understand what is happening, none of this is on Mel. He needs time. He not only has to get his guys, but we have to get them deep into their Michigan careers. Championship teams aren’t built with one and dones in college hockey. You build a solid core of those “lifers,” and then you stagger top tier NHL talent around them. You pair a Larkin or a Conner with a Hyman or a Compher. Right now we have Beecher and a Pastujov. Not gonna cut it. 

LabattsBleu

November 14th, 2019 at 10:10 PM ^

its tough with hockey recruiting it seems like because even when you get great players to verbal, you can lose them to the OHL.

Pretty sure this has happened a couple of times where Michigan had kids ready to sign, only to have the OHL poach them late.

I think Canadian kids grow up with the CHL and don't have the same affinity for the college development track like football and basketball, so there is more kids that end up not signing...

Sideline

November 15th, 2019 at 5:23 PM ^

You stated they didn’t have any Club players on their D1 team— “two different worlds”— when in fact, they did have Club level players on their team. Of that group, a handful played ACHA-D1 club at other schools, Penn State, and US-Juniors. Yeah, it was to ease the transition from Club to D1, but the gap isn’t “two different worlds”. 

Arizona State did the same thing a few years ago as well. 

Sideline

November 15th, 2019 at 9:53 AM ^

They were a top-tier Club team, meaning they had a lot of players that were borderline D1/D3 players that opted to play club to win a NC— Davenport U in GR gets a LOT of these. They then had the unique opportunity for top-tier incoming freshmen to come in and be “the guy” for their team (as they were obviously better talent than the previously mentioned borderline D1/D3 guys)... not saying they were better off than M, just saying that’s how they got their program off the ground right away. 

ThadMattasagoblin

November 14th, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^

I will give the staff next year. We have a number of rad dudes coming in. If we still suck then I will be peeved. I do feel like a number of the penalties and bad passes tonight were totally preventable and we should have won this game.

stephenrjking

November 14th, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^

Yeah, time is needed.

One thing I've seen when I've been able to see the team on tv (thanks, BTN) is that the team's overall puck control just isn't that great. Passes aren't crisp, puck management isn't precise, a lot of guys seem to haven leaden hands. 

Not sure what it means. But it makes it tough to create good scoring opportunities, and that's been a real problem this year. 

goblue234

November 14th, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^

I haven't been to a UofM Hockey game in at least 10 years, although I live within walking distance of Yost. However, it still feels weird not having at least a better than average team after them being so consistently great throughout the first half of my life.

Commie_High96

November 14th, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^

I no longer understand college hockey.  It made sense at one time, now its a sport dominated by glorified community colleges like Mankato, St. Cloud, Yale and Lowell.

However, if you paid attention to what Brian has been saying for four years now, he predicted UM to have that Wile-y Coyete year two years ago and then, because of recruiting in hockey, UM would be bad for three years after that. Brian isnt going to "complain" because he said this is what was going to be.