Hockey hello: Rutger McGroarty

Submitted by pasadenablue on August 26th, 2021 at 3:59 PM

5* forward, friend of Hunter Brzustewicz and Adam Fantilli, formerly committed to Notre Dame.  Mel Pearson is on a roll.

 

From Puck Preps...

https://twitter.com/PuckPreps/status/1430964841187921925?s=20 https://twitter.com/PuckPreps/status/1430684729179656192?s=20
 

RoughRider

August 27th, 2021 at 12:25 PM ^

The NIL opportunities are also going to have a positive effect in having these kids not opt out at the last minute to go the Canadian Junior route (especially the Ontario players), and perhaps staying in college a second year. Seeing a similar thing in basketball, where the top 5 players are no longer going to the G-league.

lhglrkwg

August 26th, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^

This will be an interesting case study in recruiting philosophies. Teams that can recruit high level picks often do, but many others prefer to go over agers and win that way. Having a bunch of uber talented 18 year olds doesnt always fair well against skilled 21-24 year olds. Time will tell, but fingers crossed...

JamieH

August 26th, 2021 at 6:35 PM ^

Basketball is generally the easiest sport to transition into college and make an immediate impact.  Those top kids are already playing on high-school all-star teams against the best competition in the country.   When they get to college, the step up in competition is still big, but not insane. I'm pretty sure the top AAU team in the country could win some college basketball games.  

Football is much much different.  A low level Big Ten team would pancake pretty much any high school team out there just due to the physical changes that kids go through between 17 and 21.

I would guess hockey is somewhere in the middle.  Not as hard to come in right away as football, but not as easy as basketball.

UMinSF

August 27th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^

College basketball is pretty much a case study in this phenomenon.

Calipari fully embraced 1-and-done guys, Duke, Kansas and others followed suit.

Frankly, the strategy doesn't work as well as many people believe, at least as far as winning championships.

Teams full of uber-talented young guys often win a lot of games, but more experience usually wins the tournament.  Last 10 tournaments:

- '21 Baylor (top scorers JR, SR, JR)

- '18, '16 Villanova (2018 top scorers JR, JR, SO; 2016 JR, JR, SR)

- '19 UVa (top scorers SR, SO, SR)

- '17 UNC (top scorers JR, JR, SR, SR)

-  '11, '14 UConn (2014 - top scorers SR, JR, JR; 2011 JR, FR, SO - JR Kemba was the man)

- '13 Louisville* (JR, SR, SO) 

The only 2 championships led by 1-and-done guys were 2015 Duke and 2012 KY. That's it. Prior to Calipari, the Fab Five was the prime example of a frosh-led team, and we all know they came up just short.

Personally, I love watching UK stumble year after year despite a roster of NBA talent, while teams with coaching and experience win it all.

*I know, I know 

 

Trebor

August 26th, 2021 at 6:39 PM ^

It's more because very few basketball or football players start college when they're 20. In hockey, that's pretty common with some schools, especially those who aren't successful at getting college-ready 18 year olds to commit.

So these players who start college are 20 are now are 23-24 year old juniors and seniors, and are thus grown-ass men playing against teenagers. Even if the teenagers are more skilled, they're at a very large disadvantage from a physcial development perspective.

Sambojangles

August 26th, 2021 at 6:42 PM ^

1) In hockey, it's possible to play juniors until you're 20, there's no equivalent league in football or basketball. So, players come in whenever they finish high school, normally. 2) There are similar, though less popular paths in football/basketball - junior college, mission years (BYU) or just being an old HS graduate.

Hunter Dickinson graduated at 19 and turned 20 at the beginning of his freshman season, so he's basically an overager. Also - we saw last year how valuable Mike Smith (23 at the beginning of the season) was as an older, more experienced player. And there's been chatter about how old Brad Hawkins is on the football team this year. So it's possible, just less common.

LeCheezus

August 27th, 2021 at 9:57 AM ^

This does happen from time to time in football.  D'Antonio's best teams (2013, 14, 15) were filled with fourth, fifth and a sprinkling of sixth year players.  When teams tend to greatly outperform their recruiting rankings, it is usually because of a stable coaching staff and a lot of older, experienced players.  Northwestern is another good example, they win or contend for the west when they are old and experienced then fall below .500 the next year when everyone leaves and they have to start a bunch of first year starters, rinse and repeat.  Wisconsin is also like this to some extent, although they do get their share of top 250 players.  IMHO (and no, I'm not the first to say this) one of M's biggest problems is recruiting close to top level, but not retaining a lot of guys to play in years 4/5, essentially being stuck in the middle - not retaining like a Wisconsin, but not recruiting to the level of the top 5.

NittanyFan

August 26th, 2021 at 6:36 PM ^

Hockey is a tough one in terms of multiple championships being the standard.  Really wish they would revamp the tournament so the first 2 rounds are best-of-3.  Keep single-elimination for the Frozen Four though.

U-M could go 33-4-1 in the regular season and then lose an NCAA first-round regional game in 2OT because a goalie made 71 saves in a game where U-M outshot the opponent 72-23.

Harbaugh's Lef…

August 26th, 2021 at 4:15 PM ^

Wow, Mel's recruiting has been off the charts since he's been here but he's really taking it to a new level. I guess that's what happens when you recruit 4 of the top 5 picks in one a single NHL Entry Draft!

ThisGuyFawkes

August 26th, 2021 at 5:59 PM ^

Shane Wright is #1 and is almost certain to be the #1 pick in the NHL draft in 2022. Plays for Kingston Frontenacs in the CHL.

#2 is Matthew Sovoie (also of Canada) is a forward for the Winnipeg Ice, but was loaned to the Dubuque Fighting Saints of the USHL. He was committed to University of Denver but backed out after he was selected #1 overall in the WHL Bantam draft.

A better way to think about it, in this draft class all 3 of the top recruits expected to play college hockey, will do so at UM

JamieH

August 26th, 2021 at 6:36 PM ^

Has any college team ever recruited like this?  This seems like a historic level of recruiting success.

Still have to produce on the ice, but damn.

Blue Vet

August 26th, 2021 at 9:43 PM ^

Rutgers: named after a Revolutionary War hero and philanthropist, Henry Rutgers, who helped supported what was originally Queens College, later renamed Rutgers after his support. (He also supported a NY church which is now Rutgers Presbyterian Church on the Upper West Side.)

Rutger: whatever the reason, he's worthy of the name.

tspoon

August 27th, 2021 at 6:37 AM ^

Apologies for the slight tangent, but is there a general view that Seamus Casey will play at least a year here?

 Curious because a close friend coached him when he was nine years old on a very elite youth team, and when I saw him then it was obvious that he was so much more talented than all the other kids on the ice. It was a thrill to see he picked Michigan, and it would be so cool to see him actually wear the M sweater for at least one season. 
 

 

bfeeavveerr

August 27th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^

Hockey and basketball recruiting news shows me how good head coaches put their programs in position to compete for championships.