Harbaugh Wins Another Playoff Game
Ravens 20, Titans 13. Afterwards, in the locker room: "I'll tell you this, Harbaugh did a little dance . I can't tell you exactly the dance."
I'm trying to understand why John Harbaugh continues to have success in the NFL while his brother, Jim, has trended down in college football to the current low point, despite yesterday's lifeline signing. Because both had the same mentor (Dad), and one has to assume all three talk to each other frequently, exchanging ideas to help each other's success.
Is the NFL so much easier to coach than college football?
Is John H. a better team manager and mentor and/or a better judge of talent and potential on-field success?
Is John H. simply not as stubborn, and more open to developing or copying emerging trends and strategies in football?
We Michigan fans can only hope that Jim will have a reason to dance in his locker room soon.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
For the love of God mods please make this stop already.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:22 PM ^
Will you rip out his eyes and piss on his brain?
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January 10th, 2021 at 10:09 PM ^
Where in the hell is that goddamned orange juice crop report?
We've got a market to corner here, Beeks!
January 10th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^
Jim's background in quarterbacking and offense means he's going to meddle in things like that, often to the team's detriment. John is more of a CEO type who, as you said, seems more willing to adapt to his personnel and to emerging trends in football.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:47 PM ^
I suppose people find it comforting in an endearingly sort of stupid way to think there is such simple cause and effect such as, 1) Jim Harbaugh "meddles" in the offense and is constantly going behind the backs of his position coaches and coordinators, 2) this is directly responsible for the struggles of the team.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^
He's gonna run his preferred offensive system. He brought in Gattis to run an offense that Jim doesn't believe in and hasn't fully committed to, and the result is the shitshow we've witnessed over the past 2 years. So yes, meddling.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:10 PM ^
[citation needed]
January 10th, 2021 at 6:21 PM ^
My own eyes. Don't remember Bama running sets with multiple TEs, a fullback, and predictably running the ball on 1st down most of the time when Gattis was there. I do remember Harbaugh doing that pretty much his whole coaching career.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:33 PM ^
How easily some forget the midseason renaissance we had with the running game in 2019 thanks to Jim's "meddling"...a playoff caliber notre dame team was a bug on the windshield that night. Maybe decades of experience as a player and coach is worth adding to the mix alongside young Gattis as long as that is the configuration that michigan sticks with.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:51 PM ^
Don't remember Bama running sets with multiple TEs, a fullback, and predictably running the ball
You mean the game where UM had pretty good numbers on the ground (> 160 yards, almost 4 yards/carry) against a stout Bama defense? The running game was far from the problem that day.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:41 PM ^
No, he means when Gattis was at Alabama, before he came to Michigan. His point is that the offense at Alabama doesn't do the things being done at UM currently, so he thinks that is JH's influence.
January 11th, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^
My bad. I misunderstood the post.
I guess my question would then be how much of a role did Gattis play in calling plays, scheming formations, etc. at Bama the one year he was there. Locksley was the OC in 2018 and won the Broyles award that same year.
Does JH get involved in the offense? I'm sure he does. But if he is going to be criticized for using TEs and fullbacks, then he should also be given credit for the things that go well such as the running game resurgence in the 2nd half of 2019 and the success of his scheme against Bama that I pointed out above.
January 11th, 2021 at 2:24 AM ^
He also brought in Gattis because the system before gattis went 2-2 against MSU and 0-4 against OSU with zero bowl wins. I mean you can continue to pretend that it’s everything except Harbaugh that is causing him to fail, but you also might be crazy.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:50 PM ^
Totally agree with this. John is more of the CEO and he lets his coaches coach unless he feels or needs to step in.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:00 PM ^
So the HC of Michigan football shouldn’t be involved with Michigan football?
If John doesn’t do anything and let’s the coaches coach then what’s the point of having a HC?
January 12th, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^
I am saying I think he has his hands TOO much into things at times. The offense to me personally looks like he has his hand in the play calling too much. That is what I am saying instead of having faith in the OC. Just my opinion.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^
Has it occurred to you that over a hundred people and all kinds of circumstances contribute to the relative success or failure of a football organization and not every little detail is directly attributable to the head coach?
No, who am I kidding, you're a fan posting your snowflakes to the MGoBoard, of course it hasn't occurred to you.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:19 PM ^
Well said, MGCB!
January 10th, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^
Every detail and decision and it’s result on a ship falls on the shoulders of the ship’s captain. Similarly, every detail and decision and it’s result on a football team falls on the shoulders of the head coach. Period. Furthermore, you don’t fire 100 people when a football team has gone to crap. You fire the head coach.
Personally, I don’t care if Jim Harbaugh does a dance. I don’t care if he is a crazy man on the sidelines. I don’t care if he is doing sleepovers or taking the team to Europe. Just win football games. Period. Have your recruiting and team performance in an upward / improving trajectory after 6 years in Ann Arbor.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:33 PM ^
Yeah, I thought playing Lamar Jackson was a brilliant move.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:46 PM ^
This board has turned into people coming here and posting their conversations they are having with their buddy at the time and it’s getting so old.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:48 PM ^
John is just a better coach than Jim. You saw it in the superbowl.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:26 PM ^
The score of that game was 34-31. He might be a better coach but I don’t think that game is airtight evidence.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:44 PM ^
John was lights out in that game.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^
John relates to the players. Jim does not. Jim's personality is better suited for the NFL.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:57 PM ^
Fuck... this fan base is something else
January 10th, 2021 at 6:39 PM ^
... and if by "something else", you mean "toxic", then +1
January 10th, 2021 at 5:58 PM ^
I have coached both in the NFL and in college. The NFL was so much easier. I was in at noon and gone by 5 with Fridays off.
The only Harbaugh I really know is the lesser know son, Bob. Don't know Jim or John so I don't know how they really are.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:21 PM ^
Pretty funny. +1.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:32 PM ^
Saw that you edited your reply to me, so my reply to you won't make sense, so I am editing my reply to this because I love the band and the song.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:07 PM ^
This is a weird note. Not all brothers are equally successful.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:19 PM ^
FYI:
Jim Harbaugh has a 68.8% regular season winning % in the NFL w/ 3 NFC championship appearances & 1 Super Bowl appearance in 4 seasons.
John Harbaugh has a 62.0% regular season winning % in the NFL w/ 3 AFC Championship appearances & 1 Super Bowl win in 13 seasons.
Today John Harbaugh just won his 1st playoff game since 2014-15 season.
I know Michigan fans are disappointed that Jim Harbaugh didn't turn out to be USC Pete Carroll or Alabama Nick Saban or Ohio State Urban Meyer but let's actually keep things grounded in reality.
(People forget that the Ravens were considering firing John Harbaugh until he switched from Joe Flacco to Lamar Jackson which changed the course of the 2018 team and the franchise.)
January 10th, 2021 at 8:02 PM ^
John Harbaugh was never in danger of getting fired. It was rumor from the media and fans.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:55 PM ^
Given that John Harbaugh's Ravens hadn't been to the playoffs in the past 3 seasons (2015-17) and the Ravens were struggling in 2018, I think it was more than just a media-driven and/or fan-driven rumor.
2005: 5-11
2006: 8-8
2017: 9-7
For context: Brian Billick was fired after a 5-11 season in 2007. The previous 2006 season the Ravens had been the #1 seed in the AFC after a 13-3 regular season but lost at home in the Divisional Round to the Colts.
January 11th, 2021 at 12:45 AM ^
Harbaugh was never in danger of getting fired. Plenty of NFL insiders didn't think that rumor had legs.
January 11th, 2021 at 1:36 AM ^
Maybe, maybe not.
But John Harbaugh had used up a lot of goodwill by 2018.
A Super Bowl victory is not license to underperform or be mediocre in perpetuity. I happen to think there's a 4-5 year grace period for most coaches after winning a Super Bowl. (But it seems Eagles HC Doug Pederson is putting that theory to the test in year 3 since the win in Super Bowl 52.)
January 10th, 2021 at 6:12 PM ^
This might be the dumbest thread yet. Congrats.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:12 PM ^
Jim will end up back in the pro's too. Will be much sooner than people realize. His run here is coming to an (crashing) end.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:21 PM ^
Keep spewing the hate Montana. But now a prediction than its “almost” over!? Lol.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^
I keep thinking we can't sink any lower.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:19 PM ^
Wrong Harbaugh, wrong playoffs.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:11 PM ^
Yeah, we all hoped 6 years ago that we would be saying this about OUR Harbaugh!
January 10th, 2021 at 6:19 PM ^
What the hell?
So you just thinked this up, and then you unfortunately thought,
"I'm gonna share my thing I just thinked up, yeah that's what I'm gonna do"
Sometimes there should be an internet zapper that disables URLs for such high quality thinking.
Play better moving forward, please.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:24 PM ^
I’m 100% behind the OP needing mod approval before it hits the page. This shit is annoying.
maybe keep one thread open at the top named “Harbaugh sucks” and let people continue posting the sM old shot iver and over and over again!
January 10th, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^
Wasn’t John rumored to be an option UM was exploring before Jim? I don’t know the validity of that, but...
Would UM be better off right now if they had hired John instead of Jim?
January 10th, 2021 at 6:26 PM ^
Hard to say. But likely would not have been worse.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:31 PM ^
This fanbase is the pits... Sour onions packed right in the butt.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:30 PM ^
Where else would you store your onions?
January 10th, 2021 at 8:22 PM ^
Unlike, in your case, Jimmy's member.