January 31st, 2022 at 9:11 PM ^
It’s time to cut the rope here right? Recruiting will only get worse each year if he’s going to do this every offseason i would think?
January 31st, 2022 at 9:15 PM ^
I would presume that this is his shot at interviewing for these jobs; I can't imagine either UM or him want to do this every year. Last season they reporting was that UM basically told him to go look for another job or take a big pay cut and he did both, and this year he's looking at signing a long-term deal either at UM or the NFL. This is the first time in 7 years he's done any NFL interviewing and I presume this is sort of it for this next contract. It's not unreasonable and while it sucks as a fan I also don't begrudge a guy for wanting to see what's out there given the fact this is likely his last run at making a change.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:40 PM ^
Why would this be his last run? Is the NFL implementing a firing moratorium next year?
January 31st, 2022 at 9:59 PM ^
Because he strikes me as a guy who isn't going to sign a long-term contract with a school and then interview every year afterwards; again, this is the first interviewing he's done in 7 years despite near-constant speculation by various NFL talking heads. He's interviewing now because UM basically told him "here's a one-year contract to prove you've still got it" and he did so he's figuring out what direction he wants to take what is likely the last major change in his career, unless you think a guy post-60 is going to be on NFL radars.
Sure, maybe there's a world where he interviews constantly with a bunch of NFL teams going forward, but that would be against past precedent by him. Wherever he signs that's likely his last job as a coach, and so he's going to figure it out.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:06 PM ^
Isn't he currently under a long term contract? I know Harbaugh is magical in many people's eyes but how is he going to be post 60 next year when he's currently 58?
January 31st, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^
Lazy take. Being 60+ hasn't seemed to slow down Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick or Nick Saban. Believe it or not being 60 doesn't automatically mean you turn senile.
February 1st, 2022 at 4:51 AM ^
Nobody said that. But NFL teams also really aren’t looking to hire older coaches
February 1st, 2022 at 5:02 AM ^
He signed a four year extension for recruiting purposes. With low base pay and a low buyout. There was nothing “long term” about that deal. He was either going to do well in the first year or maybe two and get a bigger extension, or he was going to struggle and get fired for cheap.
February 1st, 2022 at 2:03 AM ^
To be fair, part of the reason it’s his first interview in seven years is because no one would give him an interview last year.
January 31st, 2022 at 11:15 PM ^
I'd imagine UMs extension that he hasn't signed yet has a significantly higher buyout than his current contract. It may be that if he signs the extension, financially he won't get the chance to look around again until the contract expires.
Pretty odd circumstances all around, especially considering where we were least offseason and the recent Tucker and Frames extensions.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:45 PM ^
I agree. I think this is the window and I think Harbaugh thinks this is the window, the now-or-never moment, so he is taking it seriously.
I honestly expect he’s going to wind up going. But if he comes back it’s long-term.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:55 PM ^
Yeah, I'm leaning more toward him going to the NFL than before because, well, he's actually interviewing with the Vikings (though to be fair the Vikings apparently just interviewed O'Connell for the second time so there are other options on the table). But I could also see this being one of those instances where you want to see if you actually want to make that transition again and so you go through the motions. I did something similar a couple years ago with my career and realized that the grass isn't always greener even at a new spot and stuck to my old employer, which has thus far worked out. But you want to do your due diligence and that's what Harbaugh is doing.
January 31st, 2022 at 11:37 PM ^
Harbaugh is the last person who need to go through the interview process to know whether he wants to go back to the NFL. That is not what this is about. He knows the NFL inside and out. He does not need to do an interview process to see what is it all about in the NFL.
February 1st, 2022 at 5:07 AM ^
He absolutely needs to go through the interview process to get a better feel for management (ya know, the people he reports to daily?) and I’m sure those NFL teams don’t want to offer a job to a guy they haven’t sat down with and talked to in person.
Considering he has to interview to even GET an offer, and he has to GET an offer to actually weigh his options… well here we are.
February 1st, 2022 at 7:54 AM ^
It's not about the NFL, in this case; it's about the Vikings, and whether they're a good fit.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:18 PM ^
Things people said about beilein
January 31st, 2022 at 11:22 PM ^
The difference I would say is that Beilein never coached in the NBA and so there was an allure of the unknown that Harbaugh wouldn't have; he's been in the NFL so he knows what he'd be getting into and if the situation looks tenable. I think Beilein took a bad job with the Cavs and then was ill-prepared for the differences and so he flamed out spectacularly.
Also, Harbaugh is from UM; Beilein isn't and while I'm sure he loved his time in A2 there's a difference between being the guy who replaced Tommy Amaker and the former golden boy and a family institution at the school.
Again, Harbaugh may leave but it's a unique situation.
February 1st, 2022 at 8:28 AM ^
If he is playing the long game, he should stay at Michigan. From what we have heard about his personality, it’s probably the only place that will give him most of all that he needs and wants.
Also, very very very difficult to stay employed in the NFL. If Michigan was an NFL team, Jim would have been fired a long time ago. You don’t get 7 years to finally produce what you were hired for in the NFL. Where does JH go when in 3-5 years he is fired by the Vikings?
February 1st, 2022 at 8:58 AM ^
He would just retire.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:48 PM ^
Harbaugh has every right to see what's out there. I'm sure he and Warde have an agreed upon process to work through this. Personally, I care about what is best for Michigan. Even if Warde is okay with the process, I do wonder about the end state if Harbaugh stays. I know people will argue that if he stays he will be 100% committed because "Harbaugh". I'm beginning to wonder if that will be possible. He seems to really be looking for an NFL option. I think it will be very difficult for him to come back and be locked in long term if he really wanted to be in the NFL.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:05 PM ^
The patience being shown by Warde as well as the staff is interesting. Macdonald made a move which made sense and we brought Elston in the midst of all of this.
It leads me to speculate there is a plan. Harbaugh may stay but I’m betting Gattis is in line with plans to keep the staff together.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^
It’s still the off-season…a coach would have plenty of time to hire a new staff if they bring in an external hire.
February 1st, 2022 at 12:51 AM ^
It's the off-season, but the backend of the coaching carousel. A lot of moves have been made already, and a lot of coaches have already changed jobs. That limits who you can hire both head coach wise, and assistant coach wise.
February 1st, 2022 at 8:19 AM ^
Lindquist was in here and out of here for a new job in a month or 2. Clink was hired in May. Mel Tucker was hired in the middle of February.
This again is another coping mechanism for some in the fanbase that “hate change” so instead of doing a productive nationwide search. They will just “settle” for what’s here. Not realizing that Harbaugh(if he leaves) may take some coaches with him. So there will be staff turnover regardless. I like Gattis, but he has had 1 good year as a coordinator. Yet, Ppl are ready to turn the keys over to him for a top 10 program.
February 1st, 2022 at 10:44 AM ^
Warde needs to be patient because his deal that he did last year is the reason this is happening this year. He took the opportunity to put Jim on effectively a one year trial contract. Negotiations may seem like one time events, but if there is going to be a long term relationship, there are going to be lasting effects that last. And here are the ramifications of taking advantage of the situation presented by the 2020 season, which was by all measures bizarre.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:05 PM ^
Sure, there's always a chance he'll look elsewhere but that's always the deal with an HC. MSU just "locked up" Mel Tucker for an outrageous contract that pays him a metric ton of money and basically has no buyout; he can actively look for a new job every year and there's not much MSU can do to dissuade him from it. And all year he actively flirted with other programs about their HC jobs. And yet, recruits didn't seem to lose their shit and coaches kept working for him.
I think he knows this is likely his last contract one way or another, and i'm sure he feels like there's something missing from his NFL run. So maybe he does go to the Vikings because it's an NFL job (though I think if he gets an offer it'll be matched by the Dolphins so we'll see if he goes) because then he can scratch that itch, and so be it. But if not I do believe he'd be back for the long haul, and I think the people who wanted him shit canned last year will just have their knives sharpened for him when he inevitably doesn't make the CFP and beat OSU by 15 every year.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:38 PM ^
If he doesn’t bolt for the NFL then he should sign the contract and stay committed to UM and let Warde and everyone involved know he plans to stay and the program will not have to go through this every year because it will hurt the program. Make a final commitment and then stick with it. If it’s to stay at UM then let your agent and all NFL teams know you are no longer interested and you will finish your career at UM. It’s messed up to put the school through this every year and it’s tough to find a replacement in February when all top coaches have already signed
February 1st, 2022 at 7:51 AM ^
This makes sense. He operates with integrity, which is why, before he commits to perhaps his final deal, he takes one last look and then never looks back.
Having said that, if he gets an offer it feels like he takes it and goes.
February 1st, 2022 at 8:25 AM ^
Say it louder for the people in the back! I always encourage my employees take interviews. The last thing you want in your organization is people wondering “what if” or if there are better opportunities out there. Let him explore. If he doesn’t get hired by an NFL team, sign him to a long term deal with a massive buyout. Then, if he gets poached, at least you’ve made some money on it.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:15 PM ^
They should have cut the rope when he decided to field better offers than what the University gave him. If he really wants to go to the NFL, even $15mil a year from us won't stop him.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:20 PM ^
Unless he is somehow playing a leverage game and says as much, his real interest in the future will be impossible to gauge and with it recruiting will suffer.
If our AD has matched Franklin and Tucker's offer with something similar for Harbaugh and JH has not taken the offer, it is indeed time to cut the cord.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:43 PM ^
You don't fire him and pay out the rest of his current contract. That is insane.
We're coming off the CFP, he's recruiting, he's hiring staff, he's under contract...and you all want to just give him money?
It's so easy when the money isn't yours or you have no responsibility over it.
January 31st, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^
Leverage games do not involve actually getting on planes to do live interviews. This is not a leverage game. He wants the Minnesota job more than the Michigan job,
February 1st, 2022 at 5:12 AM ^
How does he know he wants the Minnesota job more than he wants the Michigan job? Seems like total speculation. That seems more like it would be dependent on what Minnesota is willing to offer him and he needs to interview with Minnesota to see if that’s somewhere he wants to be.
February 1st, 2022 at 10:46 AM ^
Mike Leach's leverage games once included hanging out in a hotel lobby trying to snag an "interview" with an AD that wasn't even interested. So while the conclusion may well be true, I don't think the premise is.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:41 PM ^
People keep saying this.
If you fire him...you have to pay him! As long as he's doing this above board and not breaking his contract, there isn't anything we can do (within reason).
There is no "cutting rope."
Now is it time to have a heart to heart and try to come to some agreement? Sure.
But he's not violating his contract, he's still on the road working for Michigan...and we aren't going to fire him. It's just a shitty situation.
It's just time for the grown ups to act like grown ups, that's all there is to it.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:47 PM ^
I mean it's hard to believe that he's doing his job at Michigan right now. Signing day is the same day that he is flying out to Minnesota.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:00 PM ^
He's literally been flying across the country recruiting for 2023. What are you talking about Thad?
And we are not signing anyone so NSD means nothing for us (and a bunch of other schools) this year.
February 1st, 2022 at 1:01 AM ^
Harbaugh was in Portland last week recruiting 4* TE Riley Williams from Central Catholic. M is late to the recruitment of Williams, so Coach is still ‘crutin even the long shots.
If Coach wants to go, wish him well. If he wants to stay, just beat the Bucktards, again!!
January 31st, 2022 at 9:53 PM ^
There's not enough NFL interest to do this every year. This is it for him. The market for 60ish year old college coaches who haven't coached in the league for almost a decade would be expected to be zero.
There was no demonstrated interest this year, when his stock is as high as it's gonna get, until he hit the lottery with the Vikes hiring Adofo-Mensah as GM. Btw he had no pre-existing relationship with A-M despite their brief overlap in SF. The relationship was betwen A-M and a member of JH's staff.
Anyway, if he comes back, this isn't happening every year no matter how much he's jonesing for the league.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^
Not saying this isn't true, but it's kinda weird that it is, don't ya think?
The NFL shouldn't care about age like college would, and he's got the credentials.
But there's nothing pointing to anything you're saying being incorrect, it's just odd, IMO. I'd think teams would jump at a chance to get 5 years out of Harbaugh.
Whoever you hire, you're more likely to fire that person in the next 4-5 years anyway.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:16 PM ^
Oh I totally agree, it shouldn't make any difference, but hiring the Next Hot Coordinator (TM) has been a league trend for years now and the more venerable types have gotten fewer and fewer shots at it. I think it's an unfounded bias but it's there. Otherwise, he'd have gotten multiple offers given his credentials. Of course, you also have to factor in his personality (and reputation). He's seen as a weird dude (true) and hard to work with (depends on who you ask).
Look at the sidelines in the playoff games. Half the time the coaches look like they could still be playing age. Hell man, Zac Taylor is coaching in the Super Bowl. He was an assistant wide receivers coach in 2017 and a QB coach in 2018. In 2019 he's an HC. The league has really transitioned it's thinking on who is qualified to get the top job.
January 31st, 2022 at 10:44 PM ^
This is probably for the best. For years and years, retread coaches were recycled over and over. Not just in the NFL, but in many pro sports leagues.
January 31st, 2022 at 11:15 PM ^
It doesn't take a market. It takes one team. Just like it did for Beilein. If Michigan makes the playoffs again next year all it takes is one owner/GM seeing back to back good years and the nfl record and deciding to roll the dice. Maybe its not an every year thing but as long as it isn't Harbaugh making that call it could be an every year thing.
Its pretty clear he prefers to be in the NFL now and its been clear for a while now. As long as that is the case he is a flight risk, and its going to be a problem for recruiting next year no matter how hard he tries on the trail.
I think it seems like the best thing for all parties at this point is Harbaugh getting the Vikings job.
February 1st, 2022 at 8:52 AM ^
remember when he said he would entertain NFL offers? how can you do that if you don't get an offer? isn't it common to have an interview prior to being offered the job?
This isn't shocking....this isn't breaking news.... This doesn't even mean he's more likely to leave than stay. Its pretty much what everyone should have expected to happen.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:11 PM ^
Nice of them to fly him in
January 31st, 2022 at 9:29 PM ^
Surprised it didn’t mention wining & dining and then accommodations at a 4-star hotel.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:36 PM ^
Minnesota doesn't have any of those things.
January 31st, 2022 at 9:44 PM ^
We may not have much, but we have several excellent steakhouses and all the whole milk you could want. In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if his first endorsement deal is with Kemp's.
February 1st, 2022 at 5:58 AM ^
You’re in Minneapolis? I suppose it makes sense, Comrade. Another land of frozen steppes.
I like it. Hitch-hiked from there once to the Upper Peninsula (my money only got me a train ticket that far from Montana), almost ended up in school there, have been back a few times for work.