GVSU New OC Suspended for Wanting to Dine with Hitler
KV: So you graduated from Drury with a degree in History, you’re a history guy. If you could have dinner with three historical figures, living or dead, who would they be? And I’m ruling out football figures.
MB: This is probably not going to get a good review, but I’m going to say Adolf Hitler. It was obviously very sad and he had bad motives, but the way he was able to lead was second-to-none. How he rallied a group and a following, I want to know how he did that. Bad intentions of course, but you can’t deny he wasn’t a great leader.
http://lanthorn.com/73049/sports/inside-the-mind-of-gvsus-newest-offensive-coordinator/
January 27th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
Yeah but if this guy were a nihilist he could have said he'd have dinner with the lead singer of Green Day or some crap and he'd still have a job
January 27th, 2020 at 4:11 PM ^
If you are in an interview, or any public setting for that matter, and your answer starts with "This is probably not going to get a good review, but ...."
You are 100% going to be better off by just not saying whatever comes after the "but ..." and thinking of a new answer.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
It's like those people who say "I'm not racist, but..." or "I'm not sexist, but..." before they say something that is blatantly racist or sexist
January 27th, 2020 at 4:12 PM ^
Proving once again every question can have a wrong answer.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^
issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group ISIL. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
— wint (@dril) February 15, 2017
January 27th, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^
Snowflakism at its finest,... This right here is why i vote republican..... Liberal overreach into hurt feelings....
On a less note I once answered that same question with Hitler, Napoleon, and Bobby Fisher.
3 of the greatest strategic minds of all time.. all 3 considered enemies by their own doing. 2 almost took over the world and the 3rd was banned from his country over doing what he loved.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
I also vote republican, but you're going to get roasted for this comment.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
What you just thought it your head? Yep, you typed it and hit save.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:27 PM ^
Big yikes
January 27th, 2020 at 4:28 PM ^
See this right here is why the rest of us have no respect for you people.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:22 PM ^
How bout you shut the fuck up and go chop off your dick then cry that no one supports you like the rest of liberals
January 27th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^
Republicans love saying "I'm a Republican" and then immediately following that with an observation or opinion beyond the bounds of sanity.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^
And we wonder why Republicans get offended for being called Nazi sympathizers...
Here you got one straight admitting it.
Can’t make this shit up. We are Southpark.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:44 PM ^
Yeah, we're such snowflakes for not liking guys who gassed entire communities and burned their bodies in ovens.
A true Republican would recoil at Hitler's expansion of state powers (forced abortion? state-sponsored death squads?)
January 27th, 2020 at 5:12 PM ^
Those sound like "San Francisco" values to me. Or does SF stand for "SnowFlake"?
I guess not wanting to have dinner with a dictator who committed mass genocide and declared war on the United States makes us snowflakes now.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^
Cool reason to vote Republican brah.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^
You're a stupid fucking man. That much is clear.
edit: this is directed at our "libtard" hating brethren above, threading is screwed up.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^
Explain one good strategic decision Hitler made. They guy was good at getting a mob riled up. He wasn’t a natural leader he was a drug addict and the people closest to him didn’t trust his decision making.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:11 PM ^
The dude was strung out on amphetamines, paranoid, delusional, and a mass murderer. I’m not saying he didn’t have some qualities that people gravitated to or he never would have been the fuhrer but when you are offered the chance to have dinner with literally anyone in history and the best you can come up with is getting some leadership pointers from this whackbag of psychosis, you may want to think a little harder and reach for someone even just a tiny bit less genocidey. It’s a dumb answer if you are a liberal or a conservative or ya know breathing.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:33 PM ^
Wow, thank goodness your intellect is showing us how to do things properly
January 27th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
Wrong, guy. I can absolutely deny that he was a great leader.
#DoubleNegative
January 27th, 2020 at 4:15 PM ^
"Listen, you can't deny that the dude brought a lot of people from all different backgrounds together. Yes, I get they were in camps, but still, you get what I mean. No?"
- This guy, probably
January 27th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^
Who would want to eat with Hitler? He'd be yelling the whole time and probably getting his spit on my food.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Maybe. If I could punch him in the nose. Repeatedly.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
I wonder what his mgoboard handle is
January 27th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
Harbaughlin
January 27th, 2020 at 4:20 PM ^
Nein!
January 27th, 2020 at 4:23 PM ^
Why stop there? Throw in Stalin, Ghengis Kahn, Pol Pot and Atilla the Hun.
Yikes. Some guys need a friend as a sounding board.
Maybe they didn’t finish his full response....”so i could slit his throat and save millions of lives”
January 27th, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^
Tough guys always say they'd take out the tyrant if they were there, but it's the frog in water thing. You don't realize how bad the people are or how bad society's safeguards are until it is too late.
January 27th, 2020 at 6:11 PM ^
Hind sight is 20/20 and trying to assassinate a paranoid delusional dictator would certainly be a risky life changing event for the person who chose that and anyone close to them.
History is littered with dead heroes that were barely noticed.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
Top 10 Thread Title of all time
January 27th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
I'll probably get negged big time for this but here I go. He's not wrong, but I say that with the caveat of depending on how you define great.
If you define great as being able to rally people behind a common cause, to get everyone's head pointed the right way, how to tell people exactly what they need to hear, without any additional context you would define that person as a great leader. Hitler technically was all of those things and then some, so in those aspects alone, he was a great leader. Some might instead see that person as a manipulator or a snake oil salesman. You're not wrong either. All depends on how you define leadership. But that doesn't mean I define him as a great leader, because that only looks at part of the picture. A very, very, very small part of what defines Hitler's legacy.
Hitler had some of the characteristics/skills/traits of what would make a universally accepted great leader. But certainly not all. As far as my personal scale goes, he floats more to the "Scourge of mankind who can't receive any eternal punishment too great." side than he does "One of mankind's greatest leaders." But I can partially understand why some would define him that as a great leader, and I say that as someone with Jewish lineage.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^
There have been SO many great motivators throughout even the last 75 years. To choose Hitler is absolutely stupid and shows a total lack of understanding of history.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:48 PM ^
Well....technically....he was a great motivator. How else do you explain him being able to get an entire country, full of millions of people, to do what they did? And willingly?
I'm not saying that makes him a great man, nor do I disagree that there have been other great motivators in the last century or so who are better examples of leaders. Hitler was/is the embodiment of pure evil. But if you can separate who he was as a man from what his job was, you can say he was really, really good at his job. Sickeningly, he was great at it. I don't say that with any semblance of pride, but purely objectively.
I think we'd be foolish to disregard how he was able to do these things and to not try and learn from it. If you don't, how are you going to possibly prevent it from happening again? Think about it like studying an epidemic that wipes out millions of innocent lives. Are you not going to want to understand how that sickness formed, study it, learn from it, and take proactive steps to ensure it doesn't come back? To not do that is doing a disservice to those who come after you.
Saying Hitler was a great leader is, at best, taking a limited viewpoint into what constitutes leadership. At worst, it calls your personal humanity into question. More goes into it than motivating. Absolutely. But if you can't come to terms with the fact that he was a great motivator, like what a motivator is at its most basic foundations, then I don't know what to tell you.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:11 PM ^
Can't believe I'm taking the time to respond, but they didn't "all do it willingly." There were the millions of people placed in extermination camps, for one (including the Nazis' political enemies, not just those they deemed inferior by race or ethnicity). On the other hand, Hitler didn't convince a bunch of Germans to become racist and anti-Semitic. They already were those things! He tapped into their grievances over being punished as a nation for World War I and created scapegoats who had been long mistrusted and subjugated in Europe. Hitler did not invent some new way of seeing the world and the "motivation" to do what he said was based on the fact that he was a murderous dictator who wielded the power of a modern-industrial state, not because everyone was just real jazzed and fully bought in to doing everything he asked.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:45 PM ^
He's fucking football coach you awful opinion having dweeb. John Wooden was a great leader of men and a coach, why not choose him? Why not choose Lombardi, or Gerald Ford, or Winston Churchill? There should be absolutely no reverence or appreciation shown to Hitler or anything involving Nazis ever, for the rest of time. But you fake intelligent hacks with your dumbass fake edgy opinions all have to think you're "smarter than thou" by saying "Well you know Hitler was a good public speaker." Yeah dude, we fucking know. That doesn't make him worthy of praise. Just stfu please. If you have to start with "I'll get negged big time for this" then just shut, shut your mouth.
Also, when someone asks "Who is a great person to dine with" how the hell does your mind go to Hitler first? How often does this guy think about how cool Hitler was?
January 27th, 2020 at 5:05 PM ^
Just voicing an opinion. Not trying to show off intelligence. I get that the guy strikes a nerve with just about all of humanity, as he rightfully should. Whatever eternal damnation he's received is not sufficient enough punishment for what he's done. Just something I've always thought about.
I realize that whatever else I say on the subject, most everyone here will probably rush to judgment, think I'm some kind of Nazi sympathizer and should rot in hell with him. Whatever. You have your opinion, I'll have mine. Moving on with my day.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:24 PM ^
What if we think you’re an ignorant clown who should be embarrassed to voice his opinions in public?
January 27th, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^
He may get Das Boot!
January 27th, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^
Is DeBord still looking for a job?
January 27th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^
So, my opinion of the History Department at Drury just dropped a few notches.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^
Lucifer led 1/3 of God's children from Heaven away and continues to wreak havoc on earth.
I'm sure Lucifer is pretty pissed he's not getting his recognition.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:45 PM ^
The funny thing about all that is how wildly historically inaccurate it is. Hitler was a terrible leader, even if you manage to completely divorce his actions from the morality of them. He was completely incompetent and the only reason he became the leader of Germany in the first place is because he was such a walking/talking clown show that the right-of-center political parties formed coalition with him under the idea that they could control him, and that his racism was doing a good job of mobilizing a voting bloc to allow them to do what they really wanted to do: re-form the military. He did nothing but take enough speed to kill three mules and get shit on by his girlfriends all day. His military plans were completely insane nonsense, he was basically the kind of guy who says RUN THE BALL UP THE MIDDLE TO SHOW 'EM HOW TOUGH YOU ARE into a stacked box of 11 guys playing the run but for military strategy.
How he kept power in Germany is pretty simple: he brutalized all the people the conservatives didn't care about until finally there was no one left to protect them from him, at which time they either fell in line or got sent to the camps too. What the hell do you expect to learn from sitting with him? Where to buy scat porn?
One of the most insidious things we've allowed to take root is the idea that the fascists "at least made the trains run on time" or whatever nonsense apologia people offer for them. They didn't! Mussolini's government was even more incompetent than the famously incompetent Italian government he replaced! They were horrible at running things! Infrastructure was a mess, basic government duties were ignored, and any attempt to protest or speak up about any of that got you sent to a camp. It's just rare that any of the wealthy capitalists in Germany and Italy had to face any of that brutality, so I guess the fact they didn't disrupt Hugo Boss or Ferrari's shipping schedules means they weren't so bad.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:02 PM ^
Finally we get the accurate description from someone who's read a book or two.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:18 PM ^
I’m no history expert but that’s sort of my understanding as well. He didn’t rise to power because he was awesome, it was a lot of dumbass luck. He was an awful decision maker and those around him were trying to hold everything together as he constantly contradicted and undermined his own plans. Most likely because he was a drug addict.
January 27th, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^
Hitler was able to gain widespread support for his policies by sowing within part of his country's population a fear of other parts of its population and blaming the latter for the economic hardships they were enduring after WW I. I will stop short of noting any similarities to current events because obvs nopolitics.
January 27th, 2020 at 5:05 PM ^
Has coach been invited to the white house yet?
January 27th, 2020 at 5:10 PM ^
This board could use a little excitment