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Meh. Wikipedia hacking is passé. Dude took a promotion. Loyalty is not what it once was, in either direction. I feel no ill will and appreciate the consistency he brought to that defense post Richrod era. It set the foundation for the strong defenses we’ve fielded ever since.
Screw that and screw OSU
Can't agree as to zero ill will. Notre Dame AND OSU? I hope his defenses get torched.
By US especially!
And not the UK
But definitely torched by the East Germans!
March 28th, 2019 at 10:29 AM ^
I'm in agreement, as long as no couches are scorched in the process.
Yeah, when he was the D coordinator under Hoke we sure looked so “strong” against OSU especially giving up 34 to a freshman QB with marginal passing skills on a 6-6 team and then capping it off by giving up 42 to them the last 2 years.
That was 6 wins because the defense was good with an offense averaging about 12 first downs a game. Nope, woeful offense was the problem (no QB).
I am annoyed he left and even more for ND and OSU but maybe he wasn't allowed to recruit his players as he would like and would rather not have an extraordinary number of QBs, TEs, and FBs suck scholarships away from the d-line positions. Or maybe he told Brown that they needed to make a few changes for OSU and Brown wouldn't listen.
I am glass half full kind a guy. I am thankful Mattison contributed while he was here and now we are too busy moving forward to miss him.
If he was younger, then I might agree. Hell, even if he wasn't younger, if he was a career position coach who had never been a DC at an elite program before and this was his last shot, then I might agree. But at 70 years old, after an illustrious career as a DC at the highest levels of college and professional football, he decides that his urge to be a DC again is so intense that he's willing to give the middle finger to the program that considered him family?
Yeah, fuck that guy.
March 27th, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
This is my take. I don't care about Al Washington heading out for a promotion to his home town school. That's fair. But Mattison can fuck all the way off...
Saw it on Twitter, and at that time Mattison was described as "a traitor and defensive coordinator."
*Greg Attison
He no longer gets to use the letter M
Props to you sir:
I love this...fun for the rivalry...now we just have to win occasionally
That is a horribly written wiki. No flow and the timeline of his career jumps back and forth.
The Benedict Arnold references are funny though.
Awesome! Hope it stays there for a while
Mattison's defection didn't deserve its outrage. He's a *great* DL coach, don't get me wrong. But that's not the jewel that OSU got. They got him as a DC. And though he was excellent at revamping our defense from the RR years, he has his limits and breaking into the Top 5 is one of them. There's a fair chance both Durkin and Brown are better DCs.
So OSU didn't much help itself by hiring Mattison. He's good but limited, is old and his tenure will therefore be short-lived. That means the more relevant question isn't about what OSU got (a DC) but about what they stole (a DL coach) and how that hurts Michigan. And that's less about Mattison than about Shaun Nua. If he's excellent, then Day will regret his hire.
OSU needed an old veteran to reshape the D and Mattison is their big picture guy. He isn't being asked to coach a position, just drill fundamentals and more importantly develop 3 young coaches.
Larry Johnson was the last coach OSU hired who was "too old" to be effective for very long. Penn State fans said a lot of the same stuff when he left. All that guy has done is churn out first round picks and recruit like a 40 year old while making the DL a menace.
They had an embarrassment of talent in their back 7 and were an embarrassingly bad defense. Mattison is a safe albeit short-term hire. I have no doubts their D will be vastly improved with Mattison drilling fundamentals with the LB's in particular. That sucks because they were pretty vulnerable last year and most years you hang 39 on a team you beat them.
Agree with you, if Nua turns out to be great it really doesn't matter, however replacing one of the best DL coaches in the conference with a 37 year old guy who spent most of his career coaching at Navy is no slam dunk.
Yeah, it's an insult to Benedict Arnold
Arnold was only a traitor once. Mattison is like if Arnold joined the red coats and then helped the Barbary pirates (MGoHistorians help me out here, is that the proper reference?)
You skipped a step. After the Revolutionary War, Arnold would have had to have convinced George Washington and Congress to allow him back into the US and give him some kind of Cabinet position (sort of analogous to Mattison as coach at Michigan under Hoke and Harbaugh) before he could betray the US again with the Barbary pirates.
Which wouldn't have been impossible. According to the Wikipedia article, he outfitted a privateer after the French Revolution (he did business in the West Indies).
Apparently he wasn't real popular in New Brunswick, either--they burned him in effigy in St. John.
whatever it was it appears to be gone...or am I missing something?
Look above his picture, next to his name.
gotcha, thanks...missed it at first
I would have put him in my top 5 Michigan football coaches of all time had he just retired at Michigan...but running off to OSU of all places?
*Don Corleone voice* That I can not forgive.
which was worse? Greg Mattison or Justin Boron (sic)?
Greg by FAR. Justin was just a college kid egged on and forced to transfer by his Benedict Arnold dad mike boren. Greg has done this to us TWICE!
Just imagine what Bo would have said if he was still alive or even better if this happened while he was coaching!
March 28th, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^
Could you imagine Ryan Day calling Bo for a reference? lol
Ohio will forget him someday. Michigan will never forget.
Nice, but didn't Bo leave Ohio State to come here?
No, he was at Miami OH before Canham hired him.
OSU before that, to be sure. But he didn't leave OSU to come to Michigan.
In other words he didn’t sit in the lockeroom with his colleagues and his players preaching about work ethic, dedication, and loyalty to the team only to walk directly from that room to your primary rival, adversary, and enemy to share all of your current information.
Sellout.
I had a couple of beers with a D back on the 1997 team who told me Matty was not all that as a coach. I don't think he's a great loss as our D line underperformed last year. The DT's were not good and a lot of that was due to a drop off in recruiting. I really don't understand why OSU signed him but am not unhappy that they did.
I've had similar conversations. He's liked, but not necessarily held up as a "great" by players I know (or knew) from that era.
You want to see the difference ... talk to those guys about Bo. You'll see grown-ass men act like he was Zeus.
I know people don't like him going to OSU, but the guy coached at Notre Dame before coming to Michigan. I don't see how this is some huge shock to the system that he'd go to a better job for more money. Messing around with an community-driven encyclopedia to get some "revenge" just feels limp.
I wish him luck in every game except against UM. If that doesn't make me a cool enough fan, so be it. If someone offered me more money and it didn't require me to fundamentally alter my morals (and with Meyer gone, OSU is just sort of a shitty place in my eyes instead of a morally corrupt one), I'd jump.
Michigan THEN ND ... then a bunch of other stuff ... then back to Michigan, and THEN OSU.
That's what gets people pissed off. Left us twice for our two most hated rivals.
Of course, immediately after he left us for ND ... we won the NC.
I just don’t care. Just beat OSU.
Just picture the look on his face when he comes back to the big house and we hang a L on him. Harbaugh slapping him on the back saying, you look good in scared and grey. Enjoy the ride home to Columbus
OSU was morally corrupt before Meyer and will continue to be. Why would you wish any OSU coach luck? Anything OSU does good is bad for us.
I wish someone would make it their life's mission to trash Izzo and Morks Wikipedia pages. If you came from outer space you would think neither of these clowns had a hint of controversy in their careers.
If he was younger, then I might agree. Hell, even if he wasn't younger, if he was a career position coach who had never been a DC at an elite program before and this was his last shot, then I might agree. But at 70 years old, after an illustrious career as a DC in which he's coordinated defenses at the highest levels of college and professional football, he decides that his urge to be a DC again is so intense that he's willing to give the middle finger to the program that considered him family?
Yeah, fuck him.
Seems to have been cleaned up as of now.
I would have been upset if this happened before last season. But after I watched us not get a single pressure on a slightly above average OSU line, I was done with this dude. Rashan didn't learn a single thing under this guy. All he does is speed rush, Mattison looks like he never taught him anything. Obviously he did, but not something that translated to his ability as a pass rusher.
He did a heck of a job with Kwity Paye, Chase Winovich, Maurice Hurst, and lots of others.