FSU to face significant penalties related to NIL
Interesting..wonder if tampering or??
January 11th, 2024 at 10:40 PM ^
This is the an extraordinarily whiny comment. First, read the article. The player did not go to FSU. Second, even if he did you could not remove that advantage without removing the player, which you can’t do until you finish the investigation. So, unlike the with Michigan, it’s just not an option. I am sorry if this is inconvenient, but it seems the NCAA might have done Michigan a favor, as bad as it seemed at the time. Ultimately, we have no idea what, if anything, the NCAA will do.
January 11th, 2024 at 11:09 PM ^
I agree that the timing, distracting as it was at the time, was almost kind of fortuitous. Giving hostile journalists and opposing fan bases a big cup of STFU is way better than having a mushroom cloud of doubt over the championship.
I know no one in this thread is arguing to the contrary, but I just have a real problem with how Baker implied (“no regrets”) that it all worked out for the best because of how the NCAA handled it. It could have very easily not (loss at PSU, at MD, vs OSU, etc) and he’s cynically rationalizing a bungled and nearly catastrophic (for us) approach.
January 12th, 2024 at 1:38 AM ^
Okay, but I get where he is coming from—this could be a "systematic breaking of the rules."
Maybe many more FSU players were illegally driven to cheeseburgers, $ and free apartments. Instead of negotiating in private with FSU, the NCAA should have warned all the other ACC teams on FSU's schedule so those teams could decide if it was still safe to play them. And maybe have a coach’s conference call.
I'm also thinking that “you can’t do until you finish the investigation” isn’t really the way the NCAA or the BIG have operated.
January 11th, 2024 at 11:54 PM ^
Now, you have to be an idiot to think it is tainted.
This statement is very true. Just take a look at RCMB and 11W for an abundance of evidence.
January 12th, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^
So about 60% of the population then?
January 11th, 2024 at 8:15 PM ^
Of course it’s FSU. Every team does it but FSU had a beef with the NCAA so the NCAA stick them against Georgia and does this. The sport is being ruined.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:18 PM ^
The people running that place are exuding little dick energy.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:53 PM ^
Kind of like how they hired Bama to kick our ass. That backfired bigger than shit.
January 12th, 2024 at 8:30 AM ^
To be fair, this isn't the sort of investigation that gets ginned up, investigated, reported to the school and a settlement reached in 6 months.
One scenario is that they have similar files on every major school and are waiting to unleash them the moment said school falls out of favor.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:15 PM ^
OK...and what about the 20-50 other schools doing the exact same damn thing?
January 11th, 2024 at 8:31 PM ^
They will filter them into two buckets: Who they like and who they don't.
You can figure out the rest from there.
Hint: Any original SEC school or Ohio State will be just fine.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:18 PM ^
The NCAA is a joke. They treat FSU even worse than Michigan, for some reason...
January 11th, 2024 at 8:21 PM ^
They do have their favorites. Woe to those who aren't.
IMO, they like Michigan just fine. But they hate Harbaugh and always will.
January 11th, 2024 at 10:55 PM ^
NCAA loves michigan. Michigan is the biggest of the football cash cows. When your 3 largest viewership games in a season feature the same team...you have to love them. As with everything in life....in the end all that matters is money. Harbaugh is a thorn in their side because he wants them to give up some of the money they are making off the UM cash cow to pay players thus allowing less money to pay NCAA staff....again all that matters is money. Greed conquers all.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:21 PM ^
The NCAA is such a stupid organization that is suspiciously incapable of investigating certain schools at the expense of some. This is an incompetent and should be defunct relic.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:42 PM ^
Username no longer applies
WE ARE CHAMPIONS
carry on
January 11th, 2024 at 8:23 PM ^
That is a load of bull if you ask me. Every school in the top 5 for recruits should face penalties, like OSU in an open bidding war for that WR... Or Miami for not doing shit but always having top recruits.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:23 PM ^
That should teach them to ask for transparency from the playoff committee again.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:24 PM ^
Huh, weird that FSU was allowed to play their entire season until completion while this investigation was kept quiet until today.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:49 PM ^
TBH the NCAA inadvertently did us a solid dropping that prior to the heart of the schedule. No one can seriously say we needed signs to beat Rutgers or Nebraska, but if it came out after the season, they sure as hell would claim it affected the outcome of our closer games.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:22 PM ^
Setting up Harbaugh and Michigan for suspensions for Penn St, Maryland, and Ohio State. With these kind of favors they can kindly fuck off. I wont buy into this rewriting of the actual intent. Yall can eat it up all you want but if we lose to OSU there are about 1400 articles of "See I told you so" by all the press and not a word about "oops sorry their season was clean". You need to see through that shit people.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:33 PM ^
In hindsight it seems to have worked out well. But that was more an affect of them trying to destroy our best team/season ever.
January 11th, 2024 at 11:01 PM ^
if we were getting useful Intel from the sign stealing operation....maybe we wouldnt have had any close games. maybe we could have blown the doors off the whole schedule if stalions had not been caught. thankfully we were able to win with likely much less intel available than any of our opponents as their intel programs remained intact...but it might have prevented us from winning those games in blowout fashion.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:33 PM ^
RCMB: “FSU should sue UM and the NCAA for getting excluded from the CFP due to their cheating!!!”
NCAA: “Let’s say UM won the CFP fair and square and punish FSU. Agreed?”
🤣🤣🤣
January 11th, 2024 at 8:38 PM ^
I think Petitti tried to suspend Norvell, but the ACC reminded him that they have exclusive suspension rights over FSU until the end of time.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:39 PM ^
Weird.. You would think that the NCAA would have leaked this to the ACC and the world during the season since that's what they do now.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:42 PM ^
Do you know the difference between a car for a recruit at FSU and a Lamborghini for a prospect at Ole Miss?
It’s the same as the difference between the other conferences and the SEC.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:45 PM ^
Cheaters! Vacate the entire student body and the city of Tallahassee!
January 11th, 2024 at 8:46 PM ^
So someone on the staff drove a recruit to meet with the NIL collective? That's it? The NCAA are a fucking joke
January 11th, 2024 at 9:13 PM ^
That part is legit I think. Basically implicates the coach as a facilitator, which coaches aren’t supposed to do and (as discussed ad nauseam) could trigger Title IX issues.
January 11th, 2024 at 10:06 PM ^
But who the F cares? Players are getting paid. Everyone and their mother knows the ADs and coaches are involved. The coaches aren't even supposed to be oblivious to it anymore, they just can't pay the players themselves or be connected, for absolutely no reason. Everyone knows the money is being directed by them, because how the hell else would the collectives know who to pay? And these big dick swinging sanctions are not going to deter a single team from doing exactly what they're doing.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:46 PM ^
Hey, quick. Name the one school other than Michigan(Harbaugh) making waves and threatening the power base?
Not shocked. The NCAA is trying their damnest to keep these schools following the company line. Geesh. Too obvious.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:47 PM ^
No wonder Harbaugh wants guarantee from UM. Can you blame him? UM should be fighting this shit with NCAA. Harbaugh was suspended for 3 games while FSU is facing insignificant penalties for much bigger violations.
Where is Thamel and all the other assholes.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:49 PM ^
Well as if leaving them out of the playoff wasn't a big enough kick in the nuts now they get punished for less than what Texas pays to show up on campus for an official visit.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:50 PM ^
The fact this guy offered money and gave others money to play school at FSU and have other violations and only got 3 game suspension makes Jim's 3 games by school enough punishment where they should drop it. If they want more from Jim or Michigan then they need to go to court or at least bring up this as a comparison because this is way worse then anything Jim or Michigan did.
It would be nice to see the NCAA go after all the other schools that pay players to transfer to their school or commit after HS.
January 11th, 2024 at 8:58 PM ^
Seems like FSU got cornholed pretty good for probably way less than just about every school in the south and OSU does? Ncaa gone full Sopranos on those who pipe up.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:01 PM ^
Many burgers.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:09 PM ^
Read the ESPN version. It sounds like a set up to me. Another school sends their guy out on a recon to FSU, sticks it out with said school, then gives the NCAA evidence against (rival?) FSU.
January 11th, 2024 at 10:53 PM ^
That usually doesn't end well, but in this case UGA beat FSU once again.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:11 PM ^
There is too much stupid in this ruling to wrap my mind around. Never thought I’d feel bad for FSU but they’re really getting boned this year.
But for one: what does a show cause even mean if it doesn’t come with more of a suspension than 3 games? The guy is just keeping his job..
January 11th, 2024 at 9:12 PM ^
Hmm FSU huh? The same FSU the CFP fucked over? Far from the NCAA to pass up a chance to not double fuck an Non SEC power. Um fans should start taking this the enemy of my enemy is my friend shit seriously.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:17 PM ^
So . . . Warde may have to replace both his football coach and basketball coach this year.
Rest up, Warde.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:25 PM ^
Why does it always seem like the NCAA always goes after the teams that seem to not deserve it? The NCAA is a joke and should not be taken seriously by any university anymore.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:29 PM ^
Michigan stirs the pot and gets knocked around. FSU stirs the pot and gets knocked around.
Color me not surprised.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:43 PM ^
I'm confused - I thought if Florida State broke the rules, Jacksonville State got punished.
January 11th, 2024 at 9:59 PM ^
The severity of the punishment is out of whack and has me wondering if it's retribution for them openly disagreeing with the CFP Committee.
January 11th, 2024 at 10:27 PM ^
Besides suspension and disassociation from NIL collective, these additional penalties seem specific yet arbitrary. And on the last one, where is that 1% of the athletic budget going? Ugly.
Other penalties, which were confirmed by the NCAA Thursday, include:
"- two years of probation.
- scholarship reductions of 5% over the next two academic years.
- a reduction by seven in official recruiting visits for 2023-24.
- a prohibition on recruiting communication for six weeks over the next two academic years, including this next week (Jan. 12-18).
- a prohibition on communication with athletes in the transfer portal from April 15-21.
- a reduction by 18 evaluation days this spring.
- a financial penalty of 1% of the athletic department’s budget."
January 11th, 2024 at 10:47 PM ^
These are being reported as “major penalties” but as far as I can see one assistant got a show cause, they have to cut ties with one booster and they’ll pay a small fine + probation.
I’m not criticizing the NCAA here - these are better penalties than vacating wins, postseason bans, etc. They have decided not to punish the student athletes who were not involved. Good on them.
(Also, I’m guess our penalties for signgate are this but with a larger fine.)
January 11th, 2024 at 11:46 PM ^
LOL
It was just yesterday that Norvell was announced as the winner of the Bryant Coach of the Year award.
January 11th, 2024 at 11:58 PM ^
I’m still at a loss as to how FSU can get dinged for that, but Texas paying $60k for a recruits visit and Tennessee and others handing out “swag” bags at visits doesn’t move the needle for the NCAA.