Perkis-Size Me

September 5th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

Meh, as long as he doesn't force/pressure his team to participate and he doesn't shun the concept of other religions being practiced by his players/staff (or the idea of not practicing religion at all), I'm not going to lose sleep over this or get upset over it. 

Clemson is the deep south, folks. Lonnnnng way from Ann Arbor. Dabo Swinney is an "aww shucks" kind of guy (at least that's the way he portrays himself) who has gone on record and said that America has "got a sin problem." That's the kind of thought process and mentality you're going to find a lot of down south. Religion is much, much more in the driver's seat in these parts. We live in Atlanta, and we have folks a few houses down from my wife and I who after they met us, probably their second question to us after asking our names was "what church do you go to?" We're not religious, and those kinds of conversations have taken a little getting used to because you're sometimes a bit of a village pariah down here if you aren't parked in a pew every Sunday morning, but that's kind of what you sign up for when you live south of the Mason-Dixon line. 

TL;DR version: as long as he doesn't force his beliefs on his players and doesn't force participation, there's no point in fighting this. Its very much a product of the area of the country he lives in, and protesting it isn't worth your's or anyone's time. 

lostwages

September 5th, 2019 at 11:48 AM ^

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Elno Lewis

September 5th, 2019 at 11:51 AM ^

well. the evangelicals rationalize supporting Trump because he gets them what they want.

 

so, ipso facto, supporting law breaking or rule breaking must be fine as long as you are getting what you want.  

 

Why Satan ain't figured this out yet cornfuses me.  

 

what the hell do i know.  i'm just a chimp with a pistol

cornman

September 5th, 2019 at 12:16 PM ^

At that point, Patrick Elliott, an FFRF attorney, opened an investigation and, in April 2014, sent Clemson a letter noting that the First Amendment prohibited the school, as a public institution, from supporting, promoting or endorsing religion. The letter asked Clemson to stop its team prayers, Bible studies and organized church trips.

This guy should probably read the First Amendment.  It most certainly does not prohibit Swinney from promoting religion.  In fact, it does the exact opposite opposite: it protects Swinney's right to promote religion.

bluepdx

September 5th, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^

You quoted something about Clemson (the school itself) as "a public institution" supporting/promoting religion, and proceeded to reply about "Swinney from promoting religion."

The law treats a public institution and an individual differently as it relates to actions that promote one religion over non-religion or one religion over another. If, for practical purposes, Swinney is Clemson, then the legal issues become much more interesting.

HateSparty

September 5th, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^

A fraud is a fraud.  Whether it be "fake christian", a "bad cop/lawyer/judge", pedophile educator, Sinning clergy, etc.  

 

Dabo Swinney is a fraud.  Simple.

njvictor

September 5th, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^

Dabo is a cheating, shitty person who doesn't have the best interests of his players at heart then hides behind his "holier than thou" Christian persona. It's infuriating

Eph97

September 5th, 2019 at 1:13 PM ^

The thing that is most annoying about Dabo is that he is so adament against players getting paid, as if it is a sin, while he has no qualms signing a $100 million contract. That much money is available for him because the players are essentially playing for free. Dabo would be selling insurance if he weren't a coach, and in fact did sell insurance before he got into coaching. 

 

TU-UM-Owlverine

September 5th, 2019 at 1:34 PM ^

For me, as a non-Christian, it's about the exclusion.  At one point in the article, someone says something to the effect of "nobody feels pressured, it's all self-selection, if they feel uncomfortable they wouldn't come here."  To me, that raises issues of whether Clemson would ever feel like a place where a Josh Rosen (Jewish) or a Mustapha Muhammad (Muslim) or a Sione Houma (Mormon?) would feel comfortable enrolling in the first place, or if they'd even get recruited at all (related question, is there a current or recent Jewish Wolverine you'd use as an example?).

Perkis-Size Me

September 5th, 2019 at 4:20 PM ^

At the end of the day, guys like Saban, Meyer and Swinney are paid to win, above all else. If there's a five-star DE that is an absolute game-changer but happens to be Hindu, I doubt those guys are going to care about what god(s) that recruit prays to. If he can get to the QB, everything else is just details. 

But you probably don't see a lot of kids practicing other religions go to schools like Clemson because, quite honestly, there is just minimal to no presence there for those religions to begin with. Not like you'd see at Michigan. The south is very heavily Christian. Much more so than probably anywhere else in the country. Very homogenous by comparison vs. going up north or out west where you have a far more diverse cast of characters. That's just the way it is. People want to go be with others who are like them. Basic human nature. 

greatlakestate

September 5th, 2019 at 6:16 PM ^

That was my thought as a Catholic.  If people are self-selecting away from a public school program because of the religious atmosphere created by the coach,  that's a problem.  Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Muslims,Catholics and Orthodox Christians would probably feel like fish out of water there.

My other issue is that if he isn't running a clean program (as we all greatly suspect) then he is lying about it. Lying is a sin, covered in the ten commandments.  

tspoon

September 5th, 2019 at 9:32 PM ^

If it is a problem, then it is a problem for THEM.  We will gladly take all the 4*/5* Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Muslims,Catholics and Orthodox Christians who find his approach offputting.

Not sure why M fans would be upset about Dabo being "exclusionary" or "offensive" when it comes to recruiting or retention.

 

Dorothy_ Mantooth

September 5th, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^

     ...who knew?...turns out that in the new(est) testament Jesus was totally OK w/PEDs & "Rendering to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" ...as long as his last name isn't Ruiz

gremlin

September 5th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^

Cheating is immoral.  The last few years however have shown us that most Christians could give zero *%$&s about morality in choosing a leader.  Why would choosing a leader of a football team be any different?