jdemille9

March 24th, 2024 at 7:17 AM ^

Turned in 6 straight winning seasons at a place that 4 in the previous 17? And the last two (sans an early tourney out) looked pretty dang good. 

I think this guy can coach. If he can take over a dumpster fire like FAU, I think he'll be fine here. Curious to see if he can bring any of his guys with him to help 'speed up' the transition here.

RobM_24

March 23rd, 2024 at 11:53 PM ^

I'm trying to think of coaches of non power programs in the 2000s with one-off final four runs:

  • Jim Larranaga - George Mason
  • Shaka - VCU
  • Porter Moser - Loyola Chicago
  • Gregg Marshall - Wichita State
  • Brad Stevens - Butler

I guess it's a mixed bag. I believe only one went back to a final four (Larranaga at Miami). Marshall got booted for conduct. Stevens went to the NBA. Shaka has been ok at times, but the hype has exceeded the results to this point. Moser has been bad at Oklahoma. 

I think May's resume would pretty easily put him at the bottom of this group of coaches at the time they left those programs. Moser would be the closest comparison. 

RobM_24

March 24th, 2024 at 1:12 AM ^

I somewhat agree, but we won't be happy if we're the "Texas" for May.

Also, Shaka hasn't gone past the round of 32 since his Final 4 run. Maybe this is the year he breaks through, but will we be happy if May takes 13 years to get back to a Sweet 16 or better?

I realize how loose the comparison is, but my point is that the "he made a final 4" fact might also not mean much, if the goal is to get us to the final 4.

MichiganiaMan

March 24th, 2024 at 3:35 AM ^

I don’t think we should expect May to be Shaka at Texas. Shaka clearly thrives at schools that move heaven and earth for basketball. May is coming from a school that, like Michigan and Texas, only reserves that kind of effort for football. 
 

Additionally, May doesn’t appear to rely on gimmicks as did Smart at VCU. The Texas tenure was basically him learning how to coach normal basketball. I don’t foresee May having a similar challenge here.

BostonWolverine

March 24th, 2024 at 12:15 AM ^

"One good year" is sometimes what it takes to identify coaching talent. In a market where coaches' leashes get shorter and shorter, schools are even faster to jump on the first mid-major coach that has a decent season. 

Your problem is not with May (or even Enfield, for that matter). It's with a system that doesn't afford teams any other option. This is college sports in 2024. 

RobM_24

March 23rd, 2024 at 11:22 PM ^

They all announce they are, then we get overly excited for an influx of mid-major transfers, then we get ominous rumblings that they might not be coming, then they individually post things on Instagram like "God has a plan"  ... and then we find out their credits wouldn't transfer or whatever other reason. Then they all go to other P5 teams with absolutely no issues. 

RobM_24

March 24th, 2024 at 1:23 AM ^

That's assuming there's a way to actually predict what admissions (or the individual departments) will require of incoming transfers. That's the real problem. Even Hinton said he couldn't get some of his Stanford credits approved. 

“Right now I’m in General Studies because the credits kind of messed up. I was Human Biology at Stanford. And then, for some reason, they didn’t take a lot of the credits,” Hinton said on Monday. “All my bio credits just dropped. I don't know. It's crazy.”

A reporter replied with the question everyone in the room was thinking: Michigan really didn’t accept credits from Stanford?

“I was like, ‘What in the world?’ I took an intro writing class last semester, and I was like, ‘What’s going on? What’s going on? I took this class freshman year.’ It was crazy,” Hinton explained.

It seems like unless you're a grad transfer, it's just rolling the dice. And you don't have much time to build if your transfers are all graduates. 

pescadero

March 24th, 2024 at 8:40 AM ^

You can literally check with an online app for about 90% of classes, and you can ask the department ahead of time about others.

 

...but you're never going to get to transfer more than half the credits needed for a degree in.

 

...and some of those "Stanford credits" that didn't transfer in were sub-100 level classes.

Blinkin

March 23rd, 2024 at 9:44 PM ^

I'll be honest, I was more sold on DeVries and Medved, but Mays was probably the most in-demand across the broader CBB market. There's something to the said for getting the guy everyone else wanted. 

Perkis-Size Me

March 23rd, 2024 at 10:38 PM ^

The question still remains of whether that run is more a product of the coach versus the players, but May still deserves a lot of credit for recruiting those players.

Either way, I think this is the best possible hire Michigan could’ve made. Jay Wright was not coming out of retirement, especially not to coach this team, and John Beilein isn’t 10 years younger and all of a sudden willing to throw away who he is over NIL. This guy may not work out, and he probably wasn’t the safest tire, but when you are as low as you are right now, what do you have to lose?

Given where Michigan’s program is right now, I’ll take the upside over the safe hire.

Blau

March 23rd, 2024 at 10:39 PM ^

Yeah I wasn’t really trying to make a comparison. My reply was in response to the line of “guy everyone else wanted”. As in, the universal top choice among teams looking for who they believe is the best coach.

When Patricia took the Lions HC job, he was universally deemed the best coach out on the market and in highest demand. And we all know how that worked out…

Either way, best of luck to May and the team. Gotta start somewhere.

bronxblue

March 23rd, 2024 at 9:47 PM ^

A top guy on the market and credit to Warde for nabbing him quickly.  No idea if it'll work out but I like that UM is being aggressive in the market for a new BB coach.

Jaxpo

March 23rd, 2024 at 9:47 PM ^

Michigan wasn't going to get a much bigger name than May with the current situation. Going to be interesting to see what he can do with the resources Michigan has available. He also is a Midwest guy, even though he coached mostly in the South.