Does the Tucker situation help or hurt MSU?
I know there’s another Tucker thread but I’m curious to hear some opinions. I’ve seen several Spartan fans say this is a blessing because it gets them out of his ridiculous contract. While I can see that point, I’m not sure I agree. Is this setting up for a legal battle between Tucker and MSU? Or is he just looking to get some settlement cash. Either way, it seems like they are in limbo for a while since they can’t fire him yet but everyone knows he’s gone. I imagine that would make it difficult to put a plan in place for the next coach. Thoughts?
September 12th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^
Do you think Meyer would actually consider MSU? I think he'll stay away from it - recognizing what a tire fire it's quickly becoming.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:08 PM ^
I know msu has repeatedly proven they don't have a shred of moral fiber, but they can't go after Urban after all of this, right? RIGHT?!
September 12th, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^
From Mel Tugger to Urban Fingerblaster.
Why not?
September 12th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
Here I was just lurking to see the chatter, and then you go ahead and force me to login to up vote this. Damn you.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
It would seem that - in a way - Meyer would be the ideal fit - as he displayed at Florida.
Your point - "doesn't have a shred of moral fiber" - would indicate the fit would be ideal - a perfect match - just as he demonstrated in Florida.
However, times have changed as has acceptance of certain types of behavior. And, those Meyer practices which were acceptable in Gainesville or Columbus, believe it or not - probably won't be accepted at other institutions today.
I think that A&M is going to evaluate a lot this off-season. And, both Coach Prime and Meyer will be under consideration. My guess is that Florida will be looking too - Coach Prime would be a candidate there - Meyer, perhaps - not so much.
September 12th, 2023 at 1:30 PM ^
Even if they did, they couldn't afford him. That's the real issue.
September 12th, 2023 at 6:10 PM ^
Once you've coached at Florida and OSU, MSU would be a step down for Meyer even without Tuck Comin' on the Phonegate.
He's got plenty in the bank, and he can pontificate on TV without the pressures of being a HC at an institution whose fans would demand instant championships.
I could see him going back to Florida, and I doubt the administration down there or the state government would give a shit about his past transgressions.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
It's MSU. So that means of course they're going to get a mulligan on the worst contract in NCAA football history and not be saddled with a mediocre coach. We'll see if Tucker goes quietly or if he goes down swinging.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:20 PM ^
Oh, he’s got like 80,000,000 reasons to go down swinging. What’s the worst that could happen? He could ruin his reputation? That ship has sailed…
September 12th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
Short term: hurt
Long term: outlook remains cloudy
September 12th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^
Dunno. The devil you know....
But the "he's our coach" crowd turning quickly into, "thank God he's gone" is amusing to watch
September 12th, 2023 at 2:29 PM ^
Saturday evening around 9 PM he was "really turning things around" based on beating (checks notes) Richmond. Now he wasn't even part of game planning, in Vegas most of the week, drinking at his job, playing tetris 8 hours a day, etc. It's hilarious how tribes act. (Hey we do the same) but this is hilarious to watch how they have turned him into the worst coach in history in 24 hours.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:24 AM ^
If MSU is able to land a Jonathan Smith (Oregon State), Mike Elko (Duke) or Chris Klieman (Kansas State) I would say MSU definitely failed upwards with one of those guys. Can they or do they get one of those guys? I'm highly skeptical. However those 3 would be a significant upgrade in coaching from Tuck.
It will probably hurt MSU this season, especially with Washington, Maryland then @ Iowa they are staring down 2-3 pretty quickly and the train can spin off the tracks fast.
However, a decent hire with the transfer portal these days could turn them around pretty quickly.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
All good options though Smith will likely stay at OSU barring a godfather offer as he is an alum. Even in the MWC he could continue doing serious damage and find his way into the playoffs from time to time. Klieman seems like a plains kind of guy (was at NDSU previously and spent virtually his entire coaching career in Iowa, ND, and Kansas) and KSU is already kicking ass. Why leave that for a loser ass team like Staee? Maybe Elko but I don't really see the appeal. Virtually any established coach can see Staee is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 10th best in conference for the foreseeable future...not great.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:59 AM ^
Agree on all fronts, especially with those 3. The only thing MSU gets to sell is being in the Big 2 Conferences and should have money to throw around at these guys. That being said, those 3 don't seem like the "cash rules everything around me" like Mel Tucker was. If MSU is going to go with the big bag route again, that brings out the type of coaches that might bring problems along with them and I'm not sure MSU is going to play that game so quickly.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:12 PM ^
msu might be an equal or worse program than those three schools, but they're also in the B1G. Hell Oregon State isn't even in a conference anymore. I wouldn't be too surprised if the job is at least somewhat more interesting than the other 3, especially since msu now has a history of overpaying.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
Why isnt Oregon st and Washington St joining the MWC but renaming to the Pac12 while keeping all the previous deals in place? Im surprised the powers that be arent using this free pass to upgrade all the MWC teams (even if slightly) and give OSU and WSU a home again.
September 12th, 2023 at 1:02 PM ^
FWIW, I think this is what the joint Oregon State-Washington State lawsuit is all about. If they can take over control of the Pac 12 Board, then a merger with the MWC becomes possible.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:27 AM ^
There is not a chance in hell this helps Michigan State in any way, shape or form
September 12th, 2023 at 10:27 AM ^
You would have to be wearing your sparty green glasses to view this as a positive. Sure, it gets them out of that ridiculous contract, but it sure seems Tucker will not go quietly. I don't see a way where this ends without them paying some sort of settlement to make him go away. I also don't think the university is being totally transparent about what they knew and when they found out. With Whitmer posting a statement about getting to the bottom of things, I bet they are sweating. They are also trying to act like bringing Dantonio back will right the ship. Conveniently ignoring how bad he was late in his tenure and how tone deaf he has always been with these types of things in the past. It seems that the NCAA will have to grant the players some sort of hardship waiver to transfer when tucker is ultimately fired. The roster will be stripped, and an already terrible recruiting class will only get worse the longer this drags out towards NSD. A couple sparty coworkers actually think MSU will be able to land coach prime, or Bob Stoops. In my opinion I can't see any established name in coaching going anywhere near EL. Fickell's wife wouldn't go there because of the culture, which is now even worse. With the B10 expanding I see no way for MSU to be in the top half of the conference for the next decade. Long term rebuild incoming.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:36 AM ^
On a positive MGoBlog note - I haven’t seen Brian so fired up in a long time as he seems to be fighting MSU folks on Twitter over Dantonio’s failures as a disciplinarian making him a poor fit to come in in the interim.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:05 AM ^
Wow, you're not kidding. I think that it's pointless engaging on this with MSU twitter, but then again I don't live in MI or the CFB online ecosystem.
I think that MD, if he ends up being the HC for any length of time, will be appropriately covered this time around vis a vis his history of his fb team on and off the field, if only because of the situation with Tucker, et al.
I just hope they hire someone that, at a minimum, stops with the escalating language re: UM rivalry that has led to a lot of bad stuff.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:58 AM ^
Coach Prime to EL? If you can, put down a few dollars with your coworkers - it'll be easy money.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^
Wait do they seriously think they're more attractive than Colorado? I guess, because it's the B1G, most jobs are better than Big XII jobs but would he really blow up whatever progress he makes in Boulder to go to EL? wtf?
September 12th, 2023 at 1:02 PM ^
The answer is obviously NO. Prime has momentum and a great opportunity in Boulder.
And Colorado has a pretty impressive historical record, albeit inconsistent.
How is EL a step up?
September 12th, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^
Plus Boulder >>>> East Lansing
It's not even close. Also, Big 12 teams likely have a much easier path to the playoffs than Big 10 teams, even with the realignment and playoff expansion.
September 12th, 2023 at 2:33 PM ^
Mel disagreed with you. But Mel was a loser with limited options.
Coach Prime I am sure already has 3rd parties reaching out to him now. His brand alone brings unquantifiable free advertising to the school. Who the hell was talking about Colorado when Mel Tugger was there.
MSU is a gnat on Prime's ass cmon.
September 12th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
He will be at a top 10 job in 2 years. That won't be MSU. Hell it could be FSU.
September 12th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
Stoops lol.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^
I have posted his resume so many times, he is a HORRIBLE football coach. Literally one of the worst football coaches of all time. We WANT him there forever. MSU getting rid of him, especially not paying him all that money, GREATLY helps them. We want Tucker there as long as possible.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^
That's going too far. I think he's probably an average coach, not particularly good or bad - although he definitely isn't worth a $95M contract.
At Colorado he inherited a 5-7 team and went 5-7.
At MSU he went 2-5 (Covid year), 11-2, 5-7 and was 2-0 this season (against two cupcakes).
Your opinion of MSU's program must be very high if you think he's one of the worst coaches of all time. I look at them as a mediocre program, which had a fluky run under Dantonio for a few years and is very unlikely to do that anytime soon.
He's certainly one of the most overpaid coaches ever, though.
September 12th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
He has also interim coach of the Atlanta Falcons, going 2-3.
And then at defensive coordinator of the Chicago Bears in 2013 and 2014, he led the Bears to the worst defensive performances in Chicago Bears storied history.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^
It has the potential to help if they don't screw up their next hire.The program has not been going in a positive direction with Tucker, but they could make it worse by hiring another Bobby Williams or Muddy Waters.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^
Both!!!
September 12th, 2023 at 10:32 AM ^
Reading the thread title, my initial thought was "who cares?"
Reading the thread I'm going with "who knows?"
It all depends on the hire and they could literally hire almost anyone. This is Sparty.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^
If you were a coach who's demonstrated success and interested in a P5 head coaching vacancy - where would MSU be "on the list"? It's nowhere near as desirable now as it was four years ago.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^
This absolutely hurts MSU.
Tucker is setting this up for a lawsuit if he ultimately gets fired. Settling this out of court is still going to cost MSU at least $20 million, IMO.
This also hurts recruiting for obvious reasons.
Finally, it’s hard to imagine a top tier head coach willing to walk into that dumpster fire in East Lansing.
My guess is that they give the keys back to Dantonio who already stuck it to MSU once, which as it turns out, is exactly what they deserve.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:38 AM ^
Replacement value: unknown. Fairly safe to say probably not a grand slam hire.
Settlement value: unknown. Tucker is going to demand $. Too much TBD.
Settlement time: unknown. It seems clear that Tucker and this woman want to argue the facts. Too much TBD.
In terms of coaching this year, I can’t see how that helps. In terms of recruiting this year, I can’t see how that helps. But next year? Who knows. Replacement value unknown, settlement time unknown…
If I’m a head coaching candidate, guess what I would ask MSU for in my contract? Guaranteed money… that’ll be a fun negotiation.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^
It feels like there's going to be a significant settlement, so they may not really be getting out from under the contract. But they get to move on for whatever that's worth.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
Money can't buy class, and with MSU's failings as an institution, it's probably not even a top 5 job in the Big Ten.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^
Assume you mean the current B10. So, UM, PSU, OSU, UW, Iowa. 6th is tops, and I'm not sure MSU is better than Minnesota.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:18 AM ^
could be outside the top 10 once we add USC/UCLA/Wash/Oregon
September 12th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
I'd say 10th would be tops for them next season.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:46 AM ^
Long-term, it absolutely helps them. He was a disaster of a coach.
And if you believe the RCMB posters, they will be getting Coach Prime, so there's that.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
How can things get any worse? Their starting QB from last year is starting at Auburn and, while not exactly lighting it up, has the Tigers at 2-0. Their top receiver from last year transferred and has 4 TDs in his first 2 games, including showing out in a nationally-televised matchup. They have maybe 2 guys worthy of a pick in the 2024 draft. Maybe. Their 2024 class is currently only ahead of IU and NW in the B1G. And with this MeLLLLLLL kerfuffle, how many of them will stay committed? I suppose they could post a winless season, but to get any worse from where they are now would almost require something catastrophic, a la the Univ of Chicago.
This program put itself in a tunnel, and, as of right now, there isn't even a light at the end of it.
September 12th, 2023 at 11:33 AM ^
There is a light, but it's a bleeping Freight Train.
- Dan Campbell paraphrasing Metallica
September 12th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^
Helps. Mel Tucker was guaranteed to lose them a lot of games over the life of the contract. Now, they can hire an up-and-comer from G5 or even the ACC/B12, with all the money they have. Leonhard, Narduzzi, et all would be upgrades from Tucker. Big win for MSU over the mid- to long-term.
September 12th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^
As a side note, I talked to my neighbor whose son is a PWO at MSU. He said the AD had a virtual meeting with all of the parents after this leaked out. The parents asked many questions, but according to this parent, the AD pretty much shut down every question - with the usual "we can't comment about an ongoing investigation" stuff. This parent, and many others, were not pleased at all (although he said this termination will turn out to be a blessing).
September 12th, 2023 at 10:58 AM ^
I think it's a big negative. The school just kinda got past the pervert gymnastics doctor scandal and now your most high profile athletics employee gets canned over sex pest allegations. They didn't can him so quickly to get out of the contract, they did so because the non-football people there know that they need to do all they can to avert permanent damage to their institutional reputation.
Of course, if the next guy they hire is a great hire and a program builder type then it could turn around for them. But that's a big unknown, of course, and it could also go the other direction.
September 12th, 2023 at 12:15 PM ^
now your most high profile athletics employee
Be careful, them's fighting words. Tiny Tim may want to have a talk with you.