BoFan

August 15th, 2020 at 5:08 PM ^

The BIG10 guidelines say it’s about at least a month before the athletes that test positive can play.  

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/football/big-ten-cardiologists-report-covid-19-heart-damage

So one outbreak can probably effect 10-40 players if they are shedding virus asymptotically during a practice.  That wipes out the team. It makes no sense to even try to play. 

SecretAgentMayne

August 15th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^

Sorry all, no football. We had a chance but ijohnb, NittanyFan, J, and freelion all made the decision 3 months ago that their constitutional right to sit down at Applebee’s was more important. Soooo here we are.

Clarence Beeks

August 15th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^

I’m kinda confused by what you mean, TBH. The US isn’t in the highest positive rate group (many other countries are) and LARGE swaths of the rest of the world report no data whatsoever. I wear a mask, I support wearing masks, but I honestly just don’t know what you mean.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed

WestQuad

August 15th, 2020 at 5:00 PM ^

That's sort of a meaningless stat that doesn't really back up any kind of argument.  Other (3rd world? Less developed?) countries who are probably only testing sick people have a higher positive rate? *gasp*  Denominators matter.   How about cases per million population?

Indonesia has 502 cases per million while the US is at 16,666 per million. Argentina ~6k,  Mexico ~4k, etc.  

BoFan

August 15th, 2020 at 6:03 PM ^

This does not mean what you seem to think it means or perhaps what you want to suggest it means.  But of course you probably know that already.  
 

By all reasonable measures the US has by far the worst government response in the entire world.  It’s not even disputable anymore. 
 

Government actions can reduce the number of cases and more indirectly the number of deaths.  Do it as a total or per pop.  Do it for any G20 or Top 30 industrialized country.  Do it for any country with a significant population.   Otherwise don't waste our time. 

snarling wolverine

August 16th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^

By all reasonable measures the US has by far the worst government response in the entire world.  It’s not even disputable anymore. 

We are down there.  But the clown show going on in Mexico is on a different level.  They still won't test on a large scale and President AMLO (who has said that an amulet will protect him) won't wear a mask until "corruption ends." 

Every expert agrees that Mexico's real Covid numbers are far, far higher than the official numbers they're releasing (which still aren't good).  They've barely conducted a million tests of their population of 125 million and half have been positive.

Mr Miggle

August 15th, 2020 at 6:10 PM ^

I’m kinda confused by what you mean, TBH. The US isn’t in the highest positive rate group (many other countries are) and LARGE swaths of the rest of the world report no data whatsoever. I wear a mask, I support wearing masks, but I honestly just don’t know what you mean.

You're kinda confused, but I'm really confused. Here's a chart of deaths from Covid from the same website you cited. At first glance it doesn't look so bad. We expect the USA to have more deaths since our population is greater. Then you notice the scale on the left. The USA has a daily death toll averaging around 1000. A lot of these other countries are right around 0, after hitting their peaks around the same time we did back in April.

Are you saying we're doing fine relative to other countries because of our positive test rate %? Or are you saying we're doing well because there are a lot of third world countries who don't have our resources to do testing? I guess I really don't understand what you mean, because the numbers that seem the most important to me are just dreadful.

bronxblue

August 15th, 2020 at 8:26 PM ^

I swear people believe America is this otherworldly super-power that other countries should genuflect toward whenever they are in its presence when they want to flex, yet when it comes to something like COVID-19 it's all "hey, at least we report our positive rate unlike Bolivia".

Again, the US has a positive test rate closer to Iran, India, and Senegal than they do Italy, Germany, Sweden, Japan, China, etc.  Is America the worst country in terms of his handling of COVID-19?  No.  It is depressing that the richest, most powerful nation in the world by most metrics is in that conversation?  Yep.

BernardC

August 16th, 2020 at 9:31 PM ^

The conclusion that someone with a bit of reading comprehension would draw from my statement would be that I wouldn’t listen to someone that I thought was an idiot  Therefore your statement about me listening to him was false. Follow me here big guy. 

TIMMMAAY

August 16th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^

You nitwit. 

Do you people ever say anything of substance? All I keep seeing are stupid fucking platitudes, and catchy words like "sheep", or "narrative". That, or ridiculously bad faith arguments, you didn't even provide that. Either say something coherent, or shut the fuck up. 

BroadneckBlue21

August 15th, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^

But the reason it is spreading is because there are people who decided that it was necessary to be out and about, and without a mask, and in restaurants. No, we’ve had to endure the small facts faction saying it was no big deal and would go away for four months. 

There would not be this many cases happening on campus if people isolated from each other. There could’ve been a different outcome, which is why folks belabor the point. 

ribby

August 16th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^

It isn't just that "people disagree on masks". It's that the president of the country has been actively obstructing the response and discouraging his minions from cooperating with measures to stop the virus. As a result, 170,000 Americans have died in five months.  And we are going to blow through the 200,000 upper estimate that Fauci gave at the end of March in about five weeks.

 

Conservatives are willing to destroy the country so that their in-group can feel like they are in control. If they are willing to kill 200,000 people, killing democracy is nothing to them.