Could this weekend's results nullify the Outback Bowl prediction for Michigan (back to San Diego)?

Submitted by SpikeFan2016 on

Earlier this week, it was reported that Michigan was near a lock to the Outback Bowl in Tampa, Florida. This rested on the following assumptions:

  • Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State are slotted for NY6 Bowls, but none of them in the Orange Bowl. 
  • The Citrus Bowl would select 9-3 MSU over 9-3 Northwestern, despite the head-to-head result, given the Spartan's larger fanbase/TV draw and higher rankings (in CFP, AP and Coaches). 
  • Northwestern will not return to the Outback as they have already been during this contract period (Iowa also cannot go to the Outback, for what it's worth).
    • EDIT: The Big Ten has to send a minimum of 5 different teams in a 6 year period, with no two in a rows. However, the stated goal is 6 teams in 6 years and the conference will not send a repeat, especially with multiple years left in the period, unless it is forced to or it's a very compelling matchup; Northwestern does not meet either criteria. 
  • This leaves Michigan as the only option for the Outback. 

 

However, it now appears at least somewhat likely that, given OSU's victory over Wisconsin by a close margin, Alabama will be #4 in the playoffs and OSU will be left out at #5.

This should send the Buckeyes to the Orange Bowl, which contractually pits the ACC against the highest ranked non-playoff team from SEC/B1G/Notre Dame. The Big Ten cannot play in the Citrus Bowl if they play in the Orange Bowl (the ACC takes their Citrus spot). 

This makes the Outback Bowl receive highest non-NY6 Big Ten team. You would think that the Outback Bowl/Big Ten Conference (remember, it's a mutual decision between the conference and bowl) would select Michigan State over Michigan, moving UM down in the bowl order, for the following reasons:

  • More money/views with a more efficient leveraging of Michigan's TV Draw.
    • Yes, the Outback is on New Year's Day. However, it is broadcast on lowly ESPN2 and has to compete directly with the Citrus Bowl (ABC) and Peach Bowl (ESPN). 
    • The Holiday Bowl is broadcast nationally on FOX (the Big Ten's preferred network) and only has to compete with the Alamo Bowl (PAC 12 vs. Big 12, on ESPN). 
    • The combo of MSU Outback/UM Holiday likely yields many more combined views than UM Outback/MSU holiday.
    • This is especially relevant with the storylines below. 
  • Better storylines.
    • Stanford's loss to USC leaves the Cardinal likely headed to the Holiday Bowl. This pits Harbaugh against his former employer. Would be HUGE storylines. 
    • Dantonio is a South Carolina alum (Smaller storyline but still relevant).
  • Resume/fairness.
    • MSU is ranked in all three polls, is 9-3 and has a head to head win over Michigan.
    • Michigan is unranked in all three polls, is 8-4 and has a head to head loss against MSU. 
  • Avoid Spartan outrage (a concern for the Big Ten offices, not the Outback Bowl). 
  • Recency/Keeping it Fresh (a supposed goal of the conference)
    • Michigan has played in Florida two years in a row and in three of its last four bowl games (2016, 2015, 2012).
    • On the other hand, Michigan State has not played in Florida since the 2011 season (Arizona '12, California '13, Texas '14/'15, no bowl '16). 

 

Maybe it's just my selfish mind wanting us West Coast Wolverines to have a closeby game, but I think that the results of the Conference Championship (Stanford loss, close OSU win) make the Outback prediction at least somewhat in doubt. 

LSAClassOf2000

December 3rd, 2017 at 8:00 AM ^

Well, if we're paying attention, I think the color of the jacket is going to matter if you want to match your pants and shoes with it as well. At least then you can fully coordinate with your bowl rather than be remembered has that guy who roamed the field in a silly-looking green jacket, although that might happen anyway. 

Boulderine

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:36 AM ^

Could be, but sounds like many talking heads think OSU will make the playoff. Would be bullshit, but basically we won’t know Michigan’s bowl game until tomorrow when the playoff teams are announced.

M-Dog

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:38 AM ^

OSU is going to the Playoff.

I don't like it, you don't like it.

But that's what's going to happen.

Nothing has changed, we are still going to the Outback bowl.

You did a lot of work writing that.  But it's for nothing.

 

DHughes5218

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:45 AM ^

I don’t like it, but do you know who does? Clemson. They get to roll OSU again and rest their starters the entire 4th quarter of the semifinals. They will be fresh for the championship while Georgia and OU beat the crap out of each other.

jdemille9

December 3rd, 2017 at 8:43 AM ^

I don't think it's that clear cut.. the committee left out an 11-2 Big Ten champ last year, one that had a bad blowout loss on their resume. OSU is basically the same. Jumping from 8 to 4 is huge, especially since that assumes Alabama doesn't even move up at all. 

I think compelling cases can be made for both OSU and Alabama.. likely will come down to whether OSU's resume (which is better than Bama's) is enough to trump their blowout loss to Iowa. I'm not so sure it is.. but we will see. 

I would like to see Clemson beat OSU badly again but I think Alabama gives them the best four teams. 

M-Dog

December 3rd, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

At the end of the day, the Playoff Committee is still a political animal.

Last year they did not leave out a Big Ten team entirely.  They just swapped Ohio State for Penn State.

This year they would leave out the Big Ten entirely, and instead give another conference two teams instead.
 

To review:  You would have no teams at all from the Midwest and the West Coast regions of the country.  You would have three from the Southeast and one from the Southwest.

You can make a lot of good arguments to justify this.  I don't have a problem with it.

But the CFP - a political animal - is going to be extremely shy about doing this without clear-cut black and white justification.  There is too much gray this season for them to take that leap.

 

 

jdemille9

December 3rd, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^

I do agree it is political and it is for that reason I think Alabama has a great shot. IF a conference was gonna get two in it'd be the SEC anyway. Not that I agree with it, just saying with the SEC bias going around it wouldn't shock me. 

But where I pause is considering did OSU really do enough last night to justify a jump of 4 spots in the poll? If it was a giant blowout win, yeah. I'm just not so sure what they did is worthy of a jump of 4 spots. #2 and #4 lost but Bama at #5 doesn't move up while OSU jumps 4 spots? 

Regardless, like we've said there are a lot of ways this could go and honestly I don't think I'd be upset by any of them. Aside from the fact I never want to see OSU in the playoff they have a compelling resume worthy of a spot. 

Excellent point about swapping OSU for PSU last year, but at some point we're gonna get two teams from one conference in, and that's a good thing I think. It'll likely spur expansion talk, hopefully, to 8 teams (power five champs and 3 at-large). Personally, I think 8 is the magic number, allows conference game champs to all get in and then three other worthy teams. But what do I know?

NittanyFan

December 3rd, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^

I went to bed convinced the CFP would pick Alabama.  I wake up convinced they'll pick Ohio State.  

As regards 2016, a lot of people get hung up on "PSU or OSU."  But, objectively, OSU did deserve that #3 spot, they had a great resume.  What the committee's choice really was "PSU or Washington."  And the team from "the 4th conference" won that choice.  I think the team from "the 4th conference" will win again in a couple hours.

NittanyFan

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:39 AM ^

they then go to the Orange Bowl as the best non-playoff team among the B1G, SEC and Notre Dame.

Wisconsin & PSU go to some other NYD6 Bowl games.

A B1G team in the Orange Bowl means the ACC gets the Citrus Bowl bid vs. an SEC team.

That sends Michigan State to the Outback.

And opens up Michigan to go to the Holiday.

Indiana Blue

December 3rd, 2017 at 7:25 AM ^

pretending that the refs had nothing to do with these ohio victories is just plainly fucking stupid.  There was PI on the same play as holding last night - which negates the holding call.  Huge call ...and if you cannot remember the atrocity in Columbus last year - then you need to stop dropping acid.

Go Blue!

Bodogblog

December 3rd, 2017 at 9:02 AM ^

Are you talking about Barrett's two interceptions tonight?  How about Weber's fumble?  

You're not a football coach.  They are the ones who need to say "you have to overcome" yada yada.  And it's just coach speak when they do. 

Great games have good and bad plays.  You overcome that with your play in the field.  You should not have to overcome red calls against you.  Yes, they do unfairly impact the game. 

NittanyFan

December 3rd, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

I had never read the "fine print" on that one until just now.

So if Ohio State is #5, the Orange gets the highest ranked among Wisconsin, PSU, Auburn and Notre Dame.  I'd guess that would be Wisconsin.  Which means, if my guess is correct, nothing changes as regards a B1G team not making the Citrus Bowl.

Alton

December 3rd, 2017 at 11:11 AM ^

So, here's an educated guess on the NY6:

1. Clemson
2. Georgia
3. Oklahoma
4/5. Ohio State/Alabama
6. Wisconsin
7. Southern Cal
8. Penn State
9. Miami
10. Washington
11. Central Florida
12. Auburn (or Notre Dame!)

So this means...

(a) Ohio State #4, Alabama #5

ROSE:  #2 Georgia v #3 Oklahoma
SUGAR:  #1 Clemson v #4 Ohio State
ORANGE:  #9 Miami v #5 Alabama
PEACH:  #8 Penn State v #11 Central Florida
COTTON:  #7 USC v #12 Auburn
FIESTA:  #6 Wisconsin v #10 Washington

(b) Alabama #4, Ohio State #5

ROSE:  #1 Clemson v #4 Alabama
SUGAR:  #2 Georgia v #3 Oklahoma
ORANGE:  #9 Miami v #6 Wisconsin
PEACH:  #8 Penn State v #11 Central Florida
COTTON:  #7 Southern Cal v #12 Auburn
FIESTA:  #5 Ohio State v #10 Washington

I think Notre Dame has a good shot at passing Auburn.  Really.  If they do, move Notre Dame to the Fiesta and OSU/Wisconsin to the Cotton.

I also think that the committee will try to "spice up" the Cotton Bowl because the Cotton Bowl gets stuck with the G5 champion every third year, when Peach & Fiesta get the semifinals.  For the record, I fully expect OSU to end up #4 and Alabama #5. 

Also, FTR, I expect the committee might put Michigan at #25 to help justify picking OSU...the same reason they put Fresno State at #25 this past week--to lay the groundwork for picking Alabama if necessary.  Fresno State blew that up by losing to Boise yesterday.

I'm giving you guys to the Peach Bowl for regional reasons, and because you travel well & get a good TV audience. 

UMxWolverines

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:39 AM ^

Tired of playing the same teams over and over in bowls. We've played Florida three times since 2000 plus once in the regular season and already played South Carolina. Give us a new matchup.

tommya14

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:39 AM ^

Believe you are wrong. No team can appear in back to back games and over 6 year contract 5 or 6 teams will appear. So a team can twice as long as it's not back to back years.

tlh908

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:43 AM ^

I hate the Ohio vs Alabama argument. There are other teams that could get in the playoffs with better resumes. We need an ESPN and Fox replacement.