Content Idea - Reader Input Desired

Submitted by Alex.Drain on May 21st, 2023 at 2:17 PM

I'm cooking up a summer content idea for all you fine people and wanted some input before I get going. The overarching idea is a weekly breakdown of sorts of an old Michigan football game... I'm not sure exactly how it would be formatted but essentially the concept is I, a baby who hasn't seen any games from before 2007ish, and Craig Ross, a guy who has seen every Michigan game for 50+ years, would watch an old Michigan game together (from any time spanning the late 60s up through the mid-2000s).

We'd watch the game, Craig talking about what he remembers and how what we're watching lines up with his memory, and me taking it all in and observing what I'm noticing (watching the game for the first time) and how it compares to a modern lens/what I'm learning about it. After we watch the game, I'd write up a piece about the game blending in both Craig and I's analysis, dropping in clips of the game, breaking down big plays, and then some context being added before and after the game about the lead up to the game, how the game impacted that season overall, and how it squares with Michigan football history overall. The idea is the pieces would be part nostalgic (since most of you folks are much older than me) but also in hopefully interesting and informative looks back in time as we get ready for another season. 

Assuming all of you, the readers, think this isn't a garbage idea for content, I'd like to know which games you'd most like to see us break down. Obviously I can't guarantee we have perfect footage of every game you nominate and I'd pick the most enticing ones, but let me know which ones stand out as the most interesting to see broken down in retrospect, or the ones you'd most like to have me watch, having never seen any of these before. I'd love to hear from all of you!

SFBayAreaBlue

May 21st, 2023 at 3:42 PM ^

Livestream it on a saturday and then edit it down to about 10 minutes of highlights for a post on tuesday.

Any M-OSU game is good, as are any competitive M-MSU or ND. 

The entire 1997 season. 

High ranked matchups...

When we got undressed by FSU and Syracuse.

The Anthony Thomas fumble game against NW. 

The early PSU games when they joined the conference.

thelomasbrowns

May 21st, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^

Don't know all of the legalities, but this would make for an excellent video podcast.

The Deer Hunter

May 21st, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^

1978 Clemson OSU Gator Bowl. J/K but that would be fun!

For me the 1979 Indiana game was epic. Not as sexy as ND/OSU/MSU games, but this one made the biggest impression on me as a kid. Corso thinking a tie is good as a win can keep sucking it. Ufer lost his cotton pickin mind calling it. 

1VaBlue1

May 22nd, 2023 at 8:30 AM ^

And dear God, Alex - if you and Craig review this game and don't include Ufer clips in the review, I'll fly to Ann Arbor and force feed an entire Ufer tape to you.

(Yes, there are several tapes/CD/albums, whatever, of Ufer clips from various games you can purchase.  And they are well worth the minimal cost!  Especially as the season gets near...)

HAIL 2 VICTORS

May 21st, 2023 at 4:20 PM ^

I was there.

I still cant explain.

How Drew Henson, David Terrell, A--Train, Marquise Walker, Maurice Williams, Bass, Hutchison, Backus lost to Darnell Autry and Northwestern.

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I fear my soul will only R.I.P. with a UFR.

Vote_Crisler_1937

May 21st, 2023 at 7:55 PM ^

Well. They didn’t lose to Darnell Autry.  They lost to Zak Kustok, Damien Anderson, Kunle Patrick, and a bunch of other guys you’ve either never heard of or don’t remember. 
 

Autry’s NU teams had way more talent. If we have to see Alex and Craig do a loss (and I don’t want them to) the 2000 NU game is definitely one to autopsy because there was no way that NU team belonged on the same field as THAT Michigan roster. I remember NU QB Brett Basanez laughing manically at me one time as I went through the Michigan roster with him position by position. He asked how they ever lost a game let alone to that NU squad. 

My suspicion is that NU’s “Winning Edge” conditioning program, additional hitting in practice, and “jet” hurry up offense gave them too many advantages in any aspect of the game that wasn’t pure talent. 
 

I once had an athletic trainer who was with Texas for the M vs Vince Young Rose Bowl, then came to Northwestern. He told me that Northwestern spent much less time in walk throughs and way more time hitting and playing full speed than Mack Brown ever would allow. He said he had heard Carr was similar to Brown in that he was much more concerned about alignments and walk throughs and never wanted anyone to get injured. This makes sense of course when you have the talent advantage. 

tybert

May 21st, 2023 at 8:24 PM ^

That was a great game. Iowa and UM played 3 games in 4 years decided by last second FG (we won 2 of 3). Beautiful day - sunsplashed day and sat with my sister in the other end of the field. Because of the nright sunshine, when Gillette kicked it, I lost flight of the ball but then saw the entire North EZ jumping up and down in excitement and knew it was good.

BTW: the former recruiting guy (3 day employee) is in the post game video celebration next to his dad for the Pat O'Brien interview. 

Grampy

May 21st, 2023 at 4:35 PM ^

An old-time game I’d like to hear CR’s take on was Wisconsin in 1968, a.k.a. Ron Johnson’s crowning glory as a Michigan RB. 347 yards in miserable November weather, upper 30’s, rain, and mud.  I was there as a 16 year old, and other than Ron running in beast mode, I mostly remember being miserable. I would love to hear you two compare the reasons for run dominance vs. our recent run game. 
[Edit] here’s some highlights, perhaps you can find full game footage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gbnFs_mQD9Q&pp=ygUXTWljaGlnYW4td2lzY29uc2luIDE5Njk%3D

 

M Ascending

May 21st, 2023 at 6:53 PM ^

I was there,  too. What a performance.  The weather was incredibly miserable and there couldn't have been more than 30,000 people in the stands.  But it was worth it.  Those were the days -- when you could count on butt kicking teams like Wiscy and Iowa by 30 points or more every year. 

CR

May 24th, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^

Thanks for bringing this up.

I was in college and attended that game.

One of the worst weather games, ever.

Cold, wet/ice. There were no more than 2,000 people there by the end, in my recall/estimation.

Johnson was the only player on the field who seemed to be able to stand up for more than a step or two, in my memory. 

He set the NCAA record of 347 rushing yards in that game (I hope this is right) but I am now suspicious since it seems like Heston must have rushed for more in the point a minute years, though no one might have been keeping track. One of these days, I will go through the old Dailies and see what can be pieced together.

Again, IIRC, that record was broken by another Big Ten back not long thereafter. Mike Adamle?

Yeah, I want to see this one again, too.

 

 

superstringer

May 21st, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^

I second/third/etc the 1991 ND game.  Not only was I in the stadium… lets face it, it was the breakout Desmond game.  And it was a crazy game, the momentum of the game shifted against us — our mojo was killed — when ND had an OL injured that took like a 20 minute break. And the ending of the game was spectacular.

The BC game the week earlier was the prelude to Desmond’s performance vs ND. The game wasn’t competitive or interesting other thand Desmond’s 4 TDs in a variety of ways  (I was also at that game in Boston… the BC fans had never seen an opponent fan base descend on their campus like we did.)

Cant help but also shout out to Amp Lee for killing the mood a week later….

Philip A. Duey

May 21st, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^

Top feel-good wins:

1. 1997 Ohio State

2. 1969 Ohio State

3. 1998 Rose Bowl vs. Washington State

4. 1995 Ohio State

5. 2004 Michigan State

6. 1996 @ Ohio State

7. 2006 @ Notre Dame

8. 2000 Orange Bowl vs. Alabama 

9. 1979 Indiana 

10. 1971 Ohio State

Top instructive losses:

1. 2000 @ Northwestern 

2. 2005 Rose Bowl vs. Texas

3. 1989 vs. Notre Dame

4. 2003 @ Iowa (or @ Oregon)

5. 1999 vs. Illinois 

6. 1979 vs. Ohio State

7. 1968 @ Ohio State

8. 1972 Rose Bowl vs. Stanford

9. 2001 Michigan State

10. 2001 Ohio State

Some noteworthy ties:

1. 1973 Ohio State

2. 1992 Ohio State

3. 1992 Illinois 

Some underrated gems:

1. 1997 Iowa

2. 2002 Penn State

3. 2003 Ohio State

4. 2004 Purdue

5. 2002 Washington 

 

 

 

 

bacon1431

May 21st, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^

2003 comeback at Minnesota 

2003 vs OSU

2004 Braylonfest

2006 vs Notre Dame

1999 Penn St

1997 Iowa, Penn St, OSU

2002 Brabbs from 44

 

Hotel Putingrad

May 21st, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^

The games most like to live through are the Little Brown Jug games. 

Ricky Foggie-Chip Lohmiller 

Lawrence Maroney-Marion Barber

The Friday night Metrodome comeback...

Vasav

May 21st, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^

Could we go WAY WAY back to like the epic point a minute teams, or even earlier to the game that inspired The Victors? I know sometimes newspapers hade detailed drive charts and accounts from that era

Chaco

May 21st, 2023 at 5:13 PM ^

I'd read it for sure.  Off the top of my head:

- any of the Ten Year War games or the "We Own Cooper" era games

- Why we needed the miracle Wangler to Carter to beat Indiana

- the renewal of the ND games in the late 70's and some of those Lou Holtz era games were great when we won and sucked when we lost

- the first few PSU v UM games

- bowl game wins over Alabama (1987/88 and 2000)

 

WrestlingCoach

May 21st, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^

Bring back “This Week in Twitterverse”, more Unverified Voracity, and shorter articles about a bunch of random sports stuff from UofM and across the nation.

This also may be an opportunity to focus on some lower profile Olympic sports which a lot of readers may appreciate.

Love any and all content, though, thank you Alex!!!

Durham Blue

May 21st, 2023 at 5:32 PM ^

The Florida St game from 1991.  I know it's reliving a loss but I'd like to hear some expert breakdown on why we lost.  The only talk in the newspapers the next day was how slow Michigan was compared to FSU.  Was the loss mainly because of the difference in team speed?  I attended that game but I don't remember much.

tybert

May 21st, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^

I was at the game - truly two top 5 teams in talent. But yes the team speed at the skill positions was noticeably different. Other than Desmond, FSU had the edge with guys like Amp Lee and Terrell Buckley (pick six on play 2 of the game). Edgar Bennett was a tough guy to stop. 

One I've watched a few times on YouTube for fun. Final score 51-31 but game was closer until midway through 4th quarter. 

1VaBlue1

May 22nd, 2023 at 8:45 AM ^

Yeah, like Tybert said, FSU had more speed.  But the shitty part for me was that Moeller slowed it all down in the 2nd half and tried to force the running game - you know, the 'Michigan Way'...  The 1st half was a track meet that Michigan was keeping up with, but that was FSU's game.  For the 2nd half, Moeller kept running up the middle and stopped using the edge plays/passes that hit FSU hard, but didn't take any time off the clock.  Meanwhile, FSU kept up with its track meet first half.  Eventually, it just wore out Michigan's defense.

I've always put that game squarely on Moeller's shoulders.  He did not do the thing we usually give him credit for around here - opening up the offense in ways Bo never could have imagined.  Instead, he lost his nerve and went all-Bo in the 2nd half...

SC Wolverine

May 21st, 2023 at 5:33 PM ^

I'd love to see one of those early games we played against Penn State after they joined the conference.  They were supposed to be this great team and we bludgeoned them.  Must have been in the 90s.  Also, I think it was the 80 OSU game -- it was at Columbus and we beat Art Schliechter with an interception during the final drive.  My one time at the toilet bowl as a student.  We won and got straight out of town.  Good times.

EGD

May 31st, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^

Penn State joined the Big Ten in 1993, that was the game Michigan won in Happy Valley with the goal line stand. But then Penn State won the next three years.

The 1994 game was a classic but M lost at home. The 1995 game was played after a massive snowstorm that required Penn State to bring prison labor in to clear snow from the stands; lots of it was piled in the stadium and their fans were throwing snowballs at M's players, including one that hit Mercury Hayes the face. That prompted Paterno to take a bull horn and tell the fans to knock it off.  Penn State won the game, sealing the win with a fake FG. I remember being at the 1996 game and Penn State winning but not much else from that one, other than Greise coming in late off the bench and throwing some dimes. That may have been where he started to win the QB spot for good.

Then the 1997 "Judgment Day" win started M's long winning streak against Penn State--I don't think M lost to them again until 2008.

kdhoffma

May 21st, 2023 at 6:00 PM ^

Lots of great ones already mentioned.  One that I think deserves more love was 1996 at Ohio.

Was the game that got the ball rolling for the ‘97 season.  Buckeyes undefeated and eyeing a national championship.  They go into halftime up 9-0.  Griese comes in for the 2nd half, defense shuts them down and Michigan scores 13 to win 13-9.

runandshoot

May 21st, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^

If you also did a live stream of you and Craig watching a game together (and posted a link to the source so we can watch along with you), that would be fun too!

brad

May 21st, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^

This is a really neat idea, and it would be great if you could do one representative game from every season since 1969.  That would probably take several summers to accomplish, so in lieu of that, maybe break it out into coaches and decades.  Like one summer for Bo in the 70's, one for Bo in the 80's, one for the Moeller era, one for the Carr era, and then please stop there.

Regardless of how you set it up, I'm looking forward to reading the write ups!