College Football Nerds Michigan-Penn State Preview is up

Submitted by MaizenBlue93 on October 11th, 2022 at 4:28 PM

https://youtu.be/KHYsfUWlQPY 

 

I've followed them for years and have always enjoyed their content. They're a great unbiased channel, and I highly recommend checking them out. They also do a live show every Saturday at 10pm EST that's a treat. 

 

Spoiler: They split on who they think will win, but both expect a really low scoring game.

 

I feel like it's hard to pick against Michigan here given history between Harbaugh and Franklin. I also expect both teams to put up points 🤷‍♂️. Regardless, I really wouldn't be surprised by any outcome except a Penn State blowout given how little we still know about both teams. 

 

 

swn

October 11th, 2022 at 5:22 PM ^

Seems like they are overrating the known commodity in Clifford over the less proven JJ. And also underrating our offense and assuming we haven't been holding stuff back.

Vasav

October 11th, 2022 at 5:24 PM ^

harbaugh vs franklin: The last 5 matchups have been PSU blowout, M blowout, PSU wins close, PSU wins comfy but both programs struggling in COVID year, M wins close en route to the Big Ten Title. The 6th matchup ago M blows out PSU, while PSU wins the title and 11 games, somehow. The year before that saw Harabugh's first squad win comfy against a sanctions-riddled PSU. The 2 programs have been very even and very consistent over this period.

This season both teams won close games against a decent top-25ish team - we beat Maryland at home, they came from behind @Purdue. Both of us have won uglyish - them in the rain against NW, us with a bad first half against IU. We went on the road and beat Iowa comfy. They went on the road and annihilated Auburn. We both pummeled some G5 teams - ours were worse than theirs, but we beat ours easier.

I think it'll be a dandy. Our LBs will probably blow something at some point. Clifford will test us in a way that only TaTa has so far. Their D is probably not as good as Iowa's, but we did put up 27 on Iowa, so I don't think it'll be low scoring but hope Harbaugh doesn't try to sit on a 2-score lead, or even a 3-score lead before the 4th. Don't know that we'll get up by that much tho. I think we look like the better squad but I expect it to be close the whole way.

urbanachiever

October 11th, 2022 at 5:56 PM ^

They kind of lost me when they said Penn State beat Auburn as badly as Georgia did. Down for down Auburn was competitive against Penn State. 4 turnovers took a game that was competitive on a yards per play basis into a laugher of a final score. The same could not be said of last week against Georgia, who doubled Auburn up in yards and was in control the entire way.

7 points at home feels about right to me. You typically get 3 for being at home, and given the relative unknowns about each team given the weak opposition, Michigan gets another 4 based on some combination of fancystats, holdover from last year's team, and better playmakers on offense.

If PSU wins this game, they need to make JJ look like a freshman QB and force turnovers. That could definitely happen, but it's not enough to make this game a toss up the way these guys are describing it

cfbnerds

October 12th, 2022 at 11:19 AM ^

UGA had a 21-3 lead on Auburn heading into the 4th.
PSU led Auburn 31-6 headed into the 4th.

PSU played Auburn at home when Auburn still had something to play for. Auburn had a bunch of yards because they ran a bunch of plays, but PSU dominated them in averages. (10.1 passing vs 7, 6.6 rushing vs 3.3)

UGA had better total yardage stats, but also was at home and got to face Robby Ashford after there was tape on him instead of him coming in middle of the game. 

Georgia really struggled passing vs Auburn, however (6.5 YPA).

Also, if you watched the LSU game, turnovers are part of who Auburn is.

urbanachiever

October 12th, 2022 at 9:01 PM ^

I did not expect to see you post here. Howdy from Mgoblog :)

My point is that score is only one measurement of performance in a game. Yeah, it's the only one that matters, but it is not the only one (or even the primary one) that is predictive. 

But I didn't realize YPP was so unbalanced. Fair point there. I guess Auburn just ran a bunch more plays?

I think my point about turnovers still stands. You guys made a point about how Michigan moved the ball methodically against Iowa, and it seems like Auburn did the same against PSU but was killed by turnovers. First half drives for Auburn:

  • 33 yards (FG)
  • 47 yards (interception)
  • 67 yards (FG)
  • 35 yards (fumble)
  • 30 yards (end of half)

212 yard of offense and 6 points. That's some methodical ball moving with not much to show for it. After a 3-and-out to start the 2nd half and then a fumble, they get the ball back down 3 scores and it's tough to make much of the game after that IMO.

That said, it is a good win for PSU, and probably better than any way UM has except for maybe @ Iowa.

UgLi Eric

October 12th, 2022 at 10:01 AM ^

This. I don't think our defense is proven enough to go all 2016 on them. But our offense could do that. 

Let's just simplify this game into 2 facets. 

1. Michigan is returning home after a 2 game, serious road trip around the Big 10. They return home to a familiar environment and get favorable calls. They are like rock stars. These kids will feed off the vibe. JJ and our receivers are going to thrive. 

2. Michigan's defense has some holes. But it's college. PSU probably has a decent offense, but it's not a world beater. The linebackers are getting coached and getting better over time (this hasn't really shown up yet, but it will). PSU will run some tight end and RBs might find some room (doubtful, possible), but Michigan can coach to cover up the gaps. College football nerds correctly said that both defenses haven't really proven much, but if last year is any indication, Michigan can coach certain positions better than anyone else (definitely better than PSU), and, more importantly, they can win big by scheming around their weaknesses. 

I am usually quite nervous this time of the week. Maryland / Iowa results haven't left me confident in some of our most speculative strengths (DL, Edge, QB, receivers), nor our most obvious weaknesses (LBs, possibly safety). Indiana didn't impress me as much as the score and raw data should. However, I don't see us as unproven and PSU is still a 0.500 team until they prove they aren't. 

Friday i might change my mind, but right now this feels much closer to a 40-20 game than a 33-30 one. And it'd have to be a shit show of youthful mistakes to be a huge PSU advantage. 

If this were a night game in Happy Valley, i would be quaking in my boots. I think home field advantage is normally about one score, but for Harbaugh/Franklin it feels like it's worth 20-30 points. 

4godkingandwol…

October 11th, 2022 at 6:15 PM ^

I don’t know. Just watched it, and I didn’t find it very insightful. Nice dudes that are trying to keep the conversation positive, but felt a little like just two dudes talking. 

swn

October 11th, 2022 at 6:34 PM ^

I really don't think the O/U is that shocking. They even mentioned both defenses aren't truly tested. Michigan's offense has had some clinical drives the last couple weeks and barely missed some big plays while clearly trying to be conservative and limit JJ runs. PSU has a better QB than UM has played other than maybe Taulia and has a couple good backs.

The Oracle 2

October 11th, 2022 at 6:28 PM ^

Their computer model knows more than they do. Michigan will win convincingly and this will be the game where McCarthy starts to become a national name. And are these guys really unaware that a point spread isn’t really the oddsmakers’ view of how the game will turn out, but rather the point where they need to be in order draw equal betting on both sides? It’s their estimate of how the betting public views the game.

Ezekiels Creatures

October 11th, 2022 at 7:19 PM ^

There shouldn't be a blow out either way. Michigan should win. Just hope they come out firing on all 8 right away.

BlueKoj

October 11th, 2022 at 7:59 PM ^

I was disappointed in their analysis. They went against their model, Vegas and other models. They admitted, they didn't really know why. It was all just feelingsball and gut feel. They're usually better. This was just fingers in the wind and the shrug emoji.

sonie_me

October 11th, 2022 at 9:46 PM ^

42 - 27 Michigan WIns. JJ has 3 TD passes including a 2 in the 1st half. Followed by man-ball the rest of the game with 2 TDs by Corum. Frames  makes a gigantic error with a trick play that changes the game early in the 2nd half.

b618

October 12th, 2022 at 1:22 AM ^

One of the things I think Football Nerds are off on is judging offenses by the scoring stat they quote.  They cite that Maryland is 98th in scoring.

Maryland, however, has a pretty good offense.  F+ has them at #11 offense.  I think F+ and OFEI are better measures.

They also think Clifford is a better QB than McCarthy.  He's more experienced, yes.  But I have a far different opinion on that one.  They were not impressed with McCarthy vs. Iowa, for example.  But they probably aren't as familiar with how extremely conservative Michigan gets with its play calling in such a game.

I'm hoping their model (which predicts a decent Michigan win) is far more accurate than they are personally, of course. :)

Overall, I enjoy Football Nerds videos on Michigan.  This one is still fun and interesting to watch and gives a lot to think about.

Thank you, Football Nerds.

cfbnerds

October 12th, 2022 at 11:21 AM ^

Maryland is 40th in scoring, if Josh said 98th, he misspoke. We've actually credited Michigan in facing a very good offense in Maryland, though more in our live show than in this video (though they might have scored on that drive where Taulia got hurt). It's the other offenses that UM's faced that are atrocious.

b618

October 13th, 2022 at 12:29 AM ^

You are correct -- and you guys had it correct in the video, stating that Maryland is 40th in scoring.  I was wrong about Maryland being called 98th.

I do think OF+ or OFEI is a better measure of offense, though.  It takes into account opponent and other factors.

Other offenses Michigan faced were quite bad, as you say.  But Maryland has a pretty good offense as judged by OF+.

huntmich

October 12th, 2022 at 5:55 AM ^

I like these guys and think they usually give fair takes, but I could not fathom choosing Clifford over Mccarthy, even given the experience difference between the two. I've never seen anything from Clifford that makes me think he is anything but a B/B- big ten qb, whereas Mccarthy is somewhere between extremely efficient and top 5 qb in the country. If it really comes down to who has the better qb, michigan wins by 17.

Panther72

October 12th, 2022 at 7:03 AM ^

There are two factors to consider in this game IMO. JJ is improving every game and he is coming home from his first two road games. 

He will be the difference and the Penn State defense will fail to handle Michigans offense late game.   Michigan 31 Penn State 24

SAM love SWORD

October 12th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^

I normally like these guys enough but it's kinda frustrating for them to be so down on Michigan's offense for totally vague abstract reasons like "I didn't like what I saw out of McCarthy at Iowa" or "Ronnie Bell hasn't shown up as much as I thought", especially when their own model projects Michigan covering and the game hitting the over.  Like, if you're going to be "the nerds" what are you doing flying against all of the data just to say it'll be a 14-17 Big Ten Sludgefest because...reasons?

Gustavo Fring

October 12th, 2022 at 12:32 PM ^

I think they are underrating McCarthy (the guy on the right moreso).  It's fair to argue that Clifford's experience matters a lot in this game.  But the reasoning that "JJ wasn't good in the Iowa game" and "he's good when things are easy, not when they're difficult"...I mean he completed over 70% of his passes for close to 7 YPA in a "difficult game".

The concern earlier was "he's going to force plays and hold the ball instead of taking what the defense gives him."  Now he's shown hte ability to do that, so it's "doesn't adapt well when guys are open."

Either way, we will learn a lot about JJ this weekend and I for one am hoping he shuts the rest of the skeptics up.  

Still a great video and very enjoyable, thanks for sharing.  These guys do a great job, just feel like McCarthy has shown more than they're giving him credit for.