CEO Coach Meaning

Submitted by Catchafire on December 4th, 2018 at 4:14 PM

I hear the term "CEO Coach" thrown around a lot and want to know exactly what does it mean.  As a guy in a leadership position, can I take this "CEO Coach" type mentality and surround myself with great talent?  Can a CEO type coach gain great success?  What is it?

CC_MFan

December 4th, 2018 at 4:19 PM ^

I believe what they are saying is that he delegates much of the coaching responsibility to the assistant coaches.  The head coach is an overseer in this type of system.  Some coaches are into every detail, but the CEO coach isn't.

tasnyder01

December 4th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^

"CEO" coaches

Cede
Everything
(to) Other

Coaches

CBO coaches are Cede Blame to Others Coaches.  Like Urban.
CMO coaches are Cede Morals to Others coaches.  Like Dark Mantonio.
CWO coaches are Cede Wins to Others coaches.  Rutger employs them.

 

Hope this helps.

DrMantisToboggan

December 4th, 2018 at 4:19 PM ^

When I call a coach a CEO type, I mean someone that doesn't know Xs or Os on other side of the ball very well, and is a delegator and a recruiter. 

Les Miles, Brady Hoke, James Franklin IMO, I called Bob Stoops a CEO type in another thread but he was a DC before he was the OU coach.

Guys that wouldn't be good coordinators on either side of the ball, generally, is what I mean when I say it. They're not there to call plays, they are there to manage the people who call plays, manage hiring of personnel and recruiting, and make sure that the program is running smoothly.

Sambojangles

December 4th, 2018 at 4:57 PM ^

I defer to you since I know you actually played and I'm just a random guy on the internet, but I think "doesn't know Xs or Os" is an overly harsh characterization of the CEO-type coach. I'm sure that every head coach in the country knows Xs and Os on at least one side of the ball. But the CEO archetype delegates more authority over system implementation, playcalling, etc. than other head coaches. In my mind, it's a trade-off: if Harbaugh is QB coach and intimately involved in the offense, there are defensive and other responsibilities (recruiting? PR? other random stuff?) that are obviously less emphasized, in terms of his time/attention. If the HC can leave more to the OC/DC, then he can focus on different things.

I think coaches can and do change styles as they get older. I would think that keeping up with tactical developments in the game is difficult, and ultimately a long-tenured head coach would rather hire an innovative, younger guy to do that. Seems to me that's what Bob Stoops did (though as I go through his coaching tree, I notice a lot of OCs that went on to become HCs, but few DCs, so maybe I'm assuming too much). 

B1G or Bust

December 4th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^

Mack Brown isn’t known as a great offensive or defensive mind, but he’s been known to sorround himself and fill his staff with people who are.

These “CEO” coaches will say that they want to run a base 4-3 or a more spread style offense, but they’ll generally let their coordinators fine-tune the interworkings on both sides of the ball.

Head coaches will still have final say on scheme, personnel decisions, and strategy (4th and short); but the coordinators often work more autonomously in this type of system. 

Hatin' Ass Harbaugh

December 4th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^

The coach in every sense is the CEO of the program, so it's kind of empty to say that.  Probably easier to contrast the CEO Coach to another type. 

I take it to mean he knows how to run a program.  Probably not the best at any one thing.  Not the best at Xs and Os.  Not the best recruiters.  But will surround himself with great people and can get there.

ThatTCGuy

December 4th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^

A CEO type coach is a coach that isn't heavilly involved in gameplanning and instead focuses on recruiting and managing assistants. This type of coaches can produce success, the prime example being Dabo Swinney.

chunkums

December 4th, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^

I was about to post about Dabo. He is the definition of a CEO coach and he basically had three phases in his coaching depending on who he had as coordinators: 

  • In the first three years, they were trash and they went 4-3, 9-5, and 6-7.
  • 2011-2014 he had Harbaugh-type success, getting 10-11 wins and never getting the big one. This lines up with when he hired Brent Venables, who is one of the best DCs out there.
  • In 2015 he hired his current OC (Jeff Scott) who was a WR coach in 2014. With Scott, they've gone 14-1, 14-1, 12-2, and 13-0.

Tom Pickle

December 4th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^

CEO coach is pretty much just code for guys that aren't a play caller on either side of the ball.

For you as a person in a leadership position, why wouldn't you try to surround yourself with great talent? Do you purposefully hire bad people to make yourself look good? I don't understand business I guess.

ESNY

December 4th, 2018 at 7:26 PM ^

It’s not that they purposefully hire bad people, but some people just aren’t good at letting go and/or delegating.  So they don’t cede control and it may cause the best and the brightest coordinators to move on or it might cause mixed messages so the O or D would appear disjointed. 

At my work, I have people that could execute on any test efficiently and accurately.  But tell them to compose a team of junior staff and have them do the work and have him oversee them and they are not as good at it. 

mgokev

December 4th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^

I view CEO Coach as one that sets strategy, does university/donor stuff, etc. and gets out of the way of execution, which is handled almost exclusively by high performing staff with a lot of autonomy.

mGrowOld

December 4th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^

Delegator not a doer.   Here in Cleveland Hue, the village idiot, Jackson was an alleged CEO HC for the Browns.  Gregg Williams ran all the defense and up to his well-deserved firing, Todd Haley ran the entire offense.

Hue's "job" so-to-speak was to make in-game decisions on challenges (always fucked it up), time management (bewildered him beyond measure) and 4th down calls.

Did I mention I was glad he was gone?   Oh...and the Bengals are now 0-3 since they hired that human turd.  It was also pointed out to me he lost his last 5 games as a Raider HC so Hue, the village idiot, Jackson is now 3-46-1 in his last 50 games.   That's a level of incompetence you just dont see everyday.

Hue was a CEO HC.  Not a great advert for the concept IMO.

karpodiem

December 4th, 2018 at 4:30 PM ^

There are a certain type of CEOs that 'sell'. Which is to say they are constantly in front of customers/prospects. I happen to despise this sort of CEO.

I like 'product' CEOs, such as the late Sergio Macrionne or Bill Gates (https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/06/16/my-first-billg-review/). People that obsess over details.

jtmc33

December 4th, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^

I first heard it over a decade ago when some media outlet was talking about Bobby Bowden at FSU.  Made the point that he is a figure-head coach that delegates .... but then they showed him at practice yelling out to “Hey number 56, you have to get low on that block!”   (Or something close to this.... so save your research and “I gotcha” moment)

Then they made the point that number 56 was his star lineman and it was common knowledge that Bowden didn’t take the time or attention to get to know his players, let alone their names.  

No idea if old school coaches were more “CEO” than new coaches; or if it’s just a new definition for a certain type of coach.  

 

jblaze

December 4th, 2018 at 4:48 PM ^

It's the difference between a CEO and COO in a company. The COO typically knows how the sausage is made, while the CEO says what types of sausage they want made.

In football, I'd say a CEO coach

  • Focuses on recruiting, fundraising, positive media coverage
  • Has coordinators that do the daily stuff (call plays, teach the technicals, draw up plays...) while the CEO Coach gives the philosophy of the O & D (e.g. I want an ultra aggressive, blitzing D knowing that we will give up more big plays)
  • Networks like a monster, so always has a next coordinator to hire, since his get poached.

I think the most successful ones were Mack Brown and Les Miles (which is why it's not crazy that they are HCs, even though they are old). While the most successful hands-on coaches are masters at one side of the ball Saban (D) and Urban (O).

The main issue is making sure you can constantly replace coordinators and don't become too dependent on one. 

leftrare

December 4th, 2018 at 5:30 PM ^

I think of it as limited to really big programs like Michigan and roughly the top third of P5 schools.  Big in terms of constituencies -- fan base, alum base, former players, the students, the press -- and also, of course big money involved.

Rich Rodriguez was not a "CEO" type of coach and it hurt him.  He didn't get buy-in from all of those constituencies.  Hoke was better at the off-field parts of that, but wasn't a good manager of his own program internally.

Harbaugh's idiosyncrasies make him more of a "maverick" type of CEO, which doesn't work everywhere, but sometimes works wonderfully.

ST3

December 4th, 2018 at 5:52 PM ^

Bill Frieder was a CEO coach while Steve Fisher was his COO. At least that’s what I took from going to Frieder’s summer basketball camp in 1985. Frieder sat around glad-handing all the top players while Fisher ran the drills and explained the techniques. I bet they ran practice differently, but Frieder never struck me as being a cerebral coach (he was the opposite of Beilein) which is odd because he was an infamous card-counter in Vegas. He was smart, I just didn’t get that from his basketball coaching.

buddhafrog

December 4th, 2018 at 6:01 PM ^

I would say a CEO coach, more than anything else, sets the culture. And a major part of that includes putting the right people in the right position. It also means getting the right talent at all levels, giving the resources and support when/where needed, understanding what the short/long term goals should be and who would be best at driving the goals, holding those accountable who need to be held accountable, building leaders that are team-driven, etc.

I've been praising Beilein for years b/c along with being such a great offensive coach, he is a tremendous CEO about creating the image of this program and getting all the players and staff to have complete buy-in.

(also, I'm an executive coach)

Craptain Crunch

December 4th, 2018 at 6:13 PM ^

means they get paid big bucks for poor to middling results, especially against their biggest rivals. And then get a golden parachute bonus when they get fired. 

1VaBlue1

December 4th, 2018 at 7:04 PM ^

The row the boat guy in Minnesota, PJ Fleck, is a CEO coach.  He can barely spell football and totally relies on his coordinators.  He's all motivation, that guy!

MGB

December 4th, 2018 at 9:18 PM ^

When people criticize Harbaugh’s offense, and call for Pep to be fired ( or Drevno last year )  I’ve seen people make the comment that the offense for better or worse, is harbaugh’s baby, and he’ll never bring in a “true” OC because Jim is not a CEO type coach. But then Urban has always been known has an offensive “mastermind”, yet he’s had guys like Tom Herman, Dan Mullen, Ryan Day, and Kevin Wilson as his OC’s. And all of them have brought different approaches to the offense with them. So how much of urban’s offense has been his own “genius” and how much has it been him hiring top notch people to run the offense for him? 

 

 

Brewers Yost

December 4th, 2018 at 9:53 PM ^

John Moglia, CEO of TD Ameritrade and head coach of Coastal Carolina. 

 

I heard an interview with him and it was interesting to say the least. He said Yale or some Ivy did a study and found CEO personality types made the most successful HC in football. Regardless, he has done well at Coastal and eems to have a passion for the game.