CBS Article on Cheating in CFB
Nothing groundbreaking, and not really worth posting based solely on the quality of content. However, this (anonymous) quote from a coach made me chuckle:
"Out of the 130 FBS schools in FBS, I would say, in the SEC, 80 percent [knowingly cheat]. Everywhere else, about 20 percent."
File that one under obvious things being obvious.
Edit: if we take the 80% as true (and round up), that would mean there are 2 SEC schools that don't knowingly cheat. I say Vanderbilt and Arkansas, since I don't give Bielema enough credit to have successfully kept a cheating ring quiet for this long.
now that Hugh Freeze is out, the SEC is down to 60%
what makes you think his replacement doesn't know?
Your comment is such a "stretch."
not because we're holier than thou but 1) because I hope we've learned our lessons from the Fab Five days and 2) because we don't need to cheat to recruit and compete at a high level so we'd be dumb to risk it all for an extremely small gain
The question (in my mind anyway) isn't if the OL was getting kickbacks, it's how much and from who. I bought some guys drinks one night at the bar, that's an illegal kickback. I once offered Quenton Washington a hotdog at a tailgate after a game. He said no, but that would have been illegal too. Was it boosters giving hundred dollar handshake or was Lloyd Carr aware and assisting to pay off his mom's home? There's a wide range here and I'll believe every University has some booster willing to handout small change. I don't believe M has an orchestrated payment system in place and the staff/university are in on it.
so you have this information but people who would love to take michigan down dont? stop trying so hard to look like you know stuff that everone else doesnt.
No, but you adopted a "holier than thou" attitude toward other posters based solely on information that only you claim to have.
Sorry. I'm not buying it. I'm sure there has been some stuff happen at Michigan that shouldn't, but I am inclined to believe that your particular "revelation" was motivated by the desire to appear superior to, and better informed than, your fellow posters.
August 8th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^
...other than "did they know."
1. How diligently does a school try to find out about shenanigans? Or, in some cases, how diligently do they work at keeping their eyes and ears closed?
2. What do they do with the information when they get it?
You can't prevent it, but your actions have a lot to do with its prevalence.
August 7th, 2017 at 10:57 PM ^
Part of the problem is how can you prevent all impermissible benefits?
I know of soccer players at Division III Hope College that got impermissible benefits. An alumnus who owned apartments with less rent for athletes and jobs picking up trash where you don't actually show up. How do you stop that?
People are generally going to tell the truth under oath when they can be contradicted by anothers testimony that they are unaware of.
Brian has touched on this before, but when people say "cheating" if you actually break it down it's just kids receiving reasonably small benefits for playing a sport they are otherwise not compensated for. It's just called cheating because of some antiquated NCAA rulebook.
If Michigan is leveraging the use of this, it does not bother me in the slightest. When you're winning, nobody cares about any of this shit (see Saban, Nick).
"Otherwise not compensated for?" What dafuck? Do you have any idea the value of the scholarship and coaching these guys get is worth? Why do you think any of them go through the agony involved in playing an NCAA sport? Because they are morons, or because they are masochists?
They do it becuse they get coaching, training, and education that set themselves up for either professional football, or non-football professions.
You really think it is coincidence that the NFL drafts almost exclusively from the "otherwise not compensated" NCAA football players?
One thing we can say with certainty: Bama and Ohio State are the most prolific cheaters in football.
The Hogs have bagmen. They just don't have as much cash. Their boys get along just fine.
We all pretty much knew this, although hearing a coach confirm it hopefully can draw the NCAAs attention away from stopping kids from making YouTube videos.
Only 80% of the SEC cheats? Who besides Vandy is not cheating?
Nobody in the West is clean.
Based on results, Kentucky does not look like it is getting much lift, but it's Kentucky. Just being on the same campus as Calapari has to make you want to cheat.
Given how well it works for them in basketball, if they are in the SEC and they are not cheating in football, they are stupid.
Of course he's not there anymore and I don't think there's much doubt the administration is OK with a change in approach.
Miss St. did turn in Cam Newton and got left in the dust by a cheating Ole Miss. They recruit like a clean program.
Missouri is a Big Ten school at heart. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Vandy is the obvious one.
Forgot about Mizz. They'll need to catch on.
August 8th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^
And not for the first time.
Their general counsel is a sports-law expert who made a career of representing NCAA coaches during scandals, including Norm Stewart when Missouri went on probation last time. They like his services so much they even made him interim president for a year.
I think they know what to do.
ran a clean program at Georgia song has gotten a lot of play over the years. Do we have any info to validate or invalidate this presumption?
Not trying to be an asshole, just curious if we know this or just base it on the fact that Richt always seemed like a good / not sleazy guy who didn't come off as a win at all costs guy. Senator Tressel seemed like Mr. Clean until the truth came out.
I mean, Richt was pulling in top 5-10 classes every year in the extremely competitive SEC recruiting grounds where UF, Bama, LSU, FSU (same region), Ole Miss, etc programs were going after the same kids. What was Richt selling that these kids would turn down a similar playing experience + $ ? Now U Miami is recruiting like gangbusters as well - just saying.
in CFB you can never be too sure.
Richt was at UGA for 15 years without any talk of cheating. He also didn't cut corners by oversigning or dropping recruits. Yes, a lot like Tressel, except without the rumors and the known cheating at YSU. Smart has coached one season and we're hearing rumors of cheating in his recruiting already.
UGA is one of the top few schools for recruiting. #4 state for talent with no real in-state competition. Miami has a great class, but almost all local recruits.
August 7th, 2017 at 10:30 PM ^
He may have but the boosters had other ideas...
A coach can't control what the boosters do.
a whole new enforcement division centering on churches. The purpose being trying to feret out the bogus money-laundering church "non-profits" from the legit ones. Has anyone else noticed the proliferation of all these new, non-denominational churches in the last 10 years? They operate out of all kinds of places - rented room in schools, strip center space, stand-alone commercial buildings, etc. I'm sure the majority of them are legitimate. But the non-profit status, lack of transparency, and limited reported required just invites the use of them as shells for illicit purposes.
There are a bunch in my area, and they are absolute showy palaces. Not exactly examples of humility and piousness.
And I don't even live in the south.
This can be done once a special prosecutor is assigned to investigating the Vacuum Repair store on Packard.
Assuming the mob hasn't already pulled the plug on them since I've left.
Well, I guess we know why guys like Hugh Freeze and Dabo Sweeny are always spouting off about their "faith". These guys are spending a lot of time in/around churches for something other than the salvation of their souls.
#noreligiononmgoblog
with OSU and Alabama leading the way
so assuming 20%...name the 2-3 big10 schools.
#1 OSU for sure, #2 ?, #3 ?
Franklin and PSU. And it wouldnt surprise me if his success at Vandy was predicated on dirty money. Number 3? State and steroids? Nebraska and their high rate of recruiting success in California? Maryland and Durkin who came from the SEC and turned around the recruiting at a moribund program in just 1 cycle? Rutgers building their fence with illicit Mexican money even Trump cant get his hands on?
August 7th, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^
When Howard Schnellenberger got to OU, he mentioned that OU had never won a national title without cheating.
August 9th, 2017 at 12:09 AM ^
The NCAA didn't start enforcement until '53; OU was on probation by '56. Slush funds, phantom jobs, free rental cars, boosters in the locker room after games dropping cash in players' upturned helmets. One of the assistant coaches had six figures in cash sitting in a locked desk drawer; they'd show it to recruits during visits. (That may not seem like much now but it was 15 years salary for the head coach in 1950.)
I don't actually recommend the book--it's basically a Wilkinson hagiography--but if you're curious there's plenty of information in https://www.amazon.com/Undefeated-Oklahoma-Sooners-Greatest-Football/dp…
Some of it's pretty funny--at one point the NCAA tries to schedule an appointment with a booster, an accountant who was supposedly keeping the records of the off-the-books stuff, and he disappears. Suddenly moved to Reno, it turns out.
It was more blatant than anything since, probably because it took a while to realize there might actually be consequences to getting caught.
August 9th, 2017 at 11:10 AM ^