Medic

February 9th, 2016 at 8:53 PM ^

Brady took an inhuman amount of abuse from that same defense that Cam played against. The man stood in that pocket 56 times, was hit on at least half of them, and had even less time than Cam to throw the ball. 

All being said, Brady absolutely would have gone for that ball. The man would have gladly traded the rest of his career to win that game.

Sam1863

February 10th, 2016 at 8:08 AM ^

"Can we get over the fact that Cam Newton didn't fall on a loose ball that Brady or Manning wouldn't have sacrificed themselves to dive on or get under the same circumstances."

The only "fact" is that Newton didn't fall on the ball. The rest of this is just baseless assumption. Unless you're a friend or teammate of Brady or Manning, you have no idea what they nor any other QB would've done in the same situation. You can guess all you want, but you don't know.

Opinions don't become facts just because you constantly repeat them.

bluestaffah

February 9th, 2016 at 7:45 PM ^

the Charles Barkley of the NFL. He always said he wasn't a re model. Perhaps Cam just hasn't said it out loud yet but believes it in his heart. Ultimately, I really don't care about him, I equate him to Eric Lindros. Very talented but super selfish and not a good public figure... to many side stories.

Benoit Balls

February 9th, 2016 at 8:25 PM ^

but I HATED Eric Lindros. When he refused to play for Quebec I decided that the Nords would be my #2 NHL team. That didn't last long, and it certainly worked out pretty well for the Nords/Avs but I HATED (sports hate, natch) that guy. Back then when we didn't know any better, seeing Lindros get creamed and twitching in the fetal position on the ice was always worth watching sports center an extra time or two.

SBo

February 9th, 2016 at 7:11 PM ^

He's the first black quarterback to win the MVP. He's the first black quarterback who has become the talk of the NFL. This also means he was the first to compete in the super bowl and be the face of the NFL for a year. Missed opportunity. Add guys like Michael Vick to the stereotype, and one Russel Wilson can't make up for it. Sad situation really. I'm not saying it should be looked at as a black v white situation, I actually am completely against that. But it inevitably will.

charblue.

February 9th, 2016 at 7:26 PM ^

He's a dynamic quarterback who has won a Super Bowl and failed to cave under the pressure of winning big game like great white hopes such as Carson Palmer, a qb who threw 6 picks against the Panthers. Six. No black quarterback has ever had a worse performance.

A team that won more games than any other besides the Panthers were led by a white quarterback who totally sucked when it came to winning time. And did Manning outperform Newton? This is the storyline that nobody talks about because it's about Manning winning his fairytale last game while Newton gets blasted for taking a loss so bad and not diving on a loose ball Manning was sacked 5 times, threw no TDs, converted once on third down in the entire game. He had one successful drive that led to three points. Two defensive plays led to point blank scores. What did Manning do to win the game besides not turn it over?

CompleteLunacy

February 9th, 2016 at 7:53 PM ^

Because I haven't seen ANYONE say that Manning played well in that game. Oh sure, they talk a lot about him, but is that really surprising? He's one of the best QBs the game has ever seen, and there's a good chance that's the last game he ever played. Going out with a superbowl victory on your last game ever as a player is the stuff of dreams...and it happened. That's why people are talking about him. It's not that hard.

I know he hasn't technically retired yet, but honestly I would be shocked if he doesn't.

lilpenny1316

February 9th, 2016 at 7:41 PM ^

Russell Wilson was one coaching blunder away from being a two time SB winning quarterback.  And the NFL and other advertisers are marketing the hell out of him.  With Peyton retiring, he's going to be the face of the NFL if he isn't already.  Plus, Donovan McNabb and his mama had everyone eating up Chunky Soup 10 years ago.

Look at the top 10 QBs in terms of passing rating. Three are black and Cam is the oldest of the bunch I believe.  Jameis Winston is the face of the Bucs and you better believe the NFL hopes Tampa/Carolina becomes a big rivalry with those two guys leading their teams.  The NFL is looking forward to Deshaun Watson leaving Clemson ASAP.  

There's no need to turn this into a black/white situation when there are so many examples that say otherwise.  

lilpenny1316

February 9th, 2016 at 8:45 PM ^

People forget he was a 1st round draft pick of the Tampa Bay in the mid 70s.  And he led them to the playoffs before he left for the USFL because the owner refused to give him a raise comparable to other playoff QBs.  I think TB went almost 20 years without another playoff appearance after he left.

By time he led Washington to that SB win, he was near retirement age.

FauxMo

February 9th, 2016 at 7:11 PM ^

Exactly. Liking or disliking Cam only has to be about race if people make it so. White or black, it's pretty clear Cam has a lot of growing up to do.

Somewhat related, my son likes Cam. But he told me today that instead of Cam he was going to do a report later this month on a "famous sports personality" on Charles Woodson instead. I may or may not have had something to do with that... ;-)

FauxMo

February 9th, 2016 at 7:36 PM ^

It does not make me the least bit uncomfortable. Cam Newton is African-American. There is a great deal of racism in this country today, and I have no doubt there are many people who do not like Cam in large part (consciously or unconsciously) because he is black. I am not one of those people. I do not like Cam Newton because I think he is an immature front runner who has no problem celebrating when he is on top, but lacks class otherwise. His attitude today does nothing to change my mind.

charblue.

February 9th, 2016 at 7:41 PM ^

for failing to face the music of the moment, dealing with the media onslaught and the negativity of losing the biggest game of the year after going 17-1, guilty as charged. He has no excuse.

You want to accuse him of not trying to win because he didn't dive on a loose ball after a fumble that would have not saved his team from defeat, please. And had he done so and gotten hurt, this would have made him a losing martyr and a greater symbol in losing than not making the effort and being viewed as a lesser teammate? Seriously? The Panthers won 17 games this year, how many did your team win?

And how many made it to the final game of the season ? And which of you would be bitching if a Michigan player failed to dive for a loose ball under the same circumstance? I find this criticism totally without merit.

 

FauxMo

February 9th, 2016 at 7:52 PM ^

This comment draws several unfounded conclusions, like him going for that fumble could not possibly have had any impact on the outcome. Most of the rest is entirely unrelated to how one feels about Cam Newton, like, "how many [games] did your team win?"

 

Look, I can tell by your username that you have a horse in this race (and I really don't). But if you honestly think a huge percentage of the people on this board would NOT be critical of, say, Ruddock had he done something like what Cam did in, say, the MSU game if it were on the line, you're crazy. People on here would have been brutal on him, in my opinion, and for good reason.

Hail-Storm

February 10th, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^

I totally was not making the connection on the user name. I was reading through this thread and could not figure out why this guy was defending Newton so much.  He has gone on the defensive, bringing up anything and everything except for what you guys are talking about. 

Honestly, I think no one thinks Cam Newton isn't talented and didn't have a great season. I do think that his show boat personality turns certain people off, while he is very charasmatic to others. 

In regards to the play, it did matter at that time.  Punting and getting the ball back gives you atleast a shot.  Suprised a Carolina fan wouldn't be mad that his QB didn't make the play. 

charblue.

February 9th, 2016 at 7:54 PM ^

when those guys lost in Super Bowls nobody complained when they were less than cordial in defeat. I don't recall Brady being especially forthcoming in defeat; in fact, his response to losing and not accepting it well, is regarded as a sign of special  character. Newton is human first, not black, even if you view him through the lens of skin color and judge his behavior based on that.

I mean would this criticism be leveled at Rodgers or Palmer, or Luck or any other white quarterback? No fucking way.

wolverine1987

February 10th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^

that other QB's doing the same thing would not have been critcized. Completely and totally wrong.

What is perhaps true however is that Cam would get MORE criticism than other QB's who did the same thing. And why? Because he doesn't have a track record of years of people admiring him. The only thing non-Carolina fans know is that he is super talented and kind of a show boat. Therefore, he has less equity in the bank than other QB's--and rightfully so.

TIMMMAAY

February 9th, 2016 at 7:45 PM ^

Stop trying to make something that clearly isn't about race, about race. Cam Newton is a spoiled, overgrown man-child. He is getting exactly the grief he should get for not going 100% in the damn Superbowl. And yes, I think Brady would have been in that pile fighting for the ball. He's the most competitive player in the game. 

M-Dog

February 10th, 2016 at 9:25 AM ^

He was down only 6 points in the freaking SuperBowl  Retaining posession of the ball still gives him a chance.

Ask Tom Brady and the Patriots if miracle Hail Mary passes at the end of the game don't ever work.  Eli manning has one of Tom Brady's rings because of it.  Russell Wilson almost had another one.