Brown’s defense
January 8th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
That thread would be Browns' defense instead of Brown's defense. Grammar is important.
January 8th, 2018 at 3:08 PM ^
I've used the internet long enough to know that grammar isn't always used properly.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^
It ain't? That's unpossible!
January 8th, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^
lmao, me.
January 8th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^
100%
January 8th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
I thought someone made a thread defending the Brown's 0-16 season. Probably would've been a better read than this.
January 8th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
but I was prepared to refute with the Chewbaca defense.
January 8th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^
be a discussion about who makes the best adult disposable diapers. My answer would have been it depends.
January 8th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^
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January 8th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
I’m willing to bet that Kinnel and Metellus are capable of being good in man coverage if coached properly.
January 8th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
I'm sure the cornerbacks and safeties work extensively together already
January 8th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^
10th ranked defense in the country.
Gary, Hudson, Bush, Hill, Long, Metellus were all 2nd year guys.
Our defense, Brown's defense, is spectacular. Get lost.
January 8th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^
Plus the whole "ZOMG HE ONLY EVER PLAYS MAN ALL THE TIME!!!!" is way over-blown. He plays man the majority of the time yes, but he mixes it up a lot too, playing things that look like man but are zone, hybrid type coverages, and straight up pure zone. Was it OSU? Can't recall which game, but one game he played a ton of his version of Tampa 2, but people just see one play where a safety gets beat on a corner route and go off the deep end with the "MAN ONLY WTF YOU SUCK" stuff.
January 8th, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^
Our safeties do much more than man coverage as well. Need to blitz, tackle, hold up against TEs, etc. Our corners were great in run support this year, but I'd choose Kinnel, Metellus or Woods over Long/Hill every day of the week one on one vs. a RB.
January 8th, 2018 at 2:35 PM ^
Yes. Coverage skills are certainly important to a safety, but they have other responsibilities for sure
January 8th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 4:16 PM ^
We were good, full stop. 10th in the country in not subjective.
January 8th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 5:34 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 3:16 PM ^
(I understand because a family member asked me this same question.)
The backdrop for the question: Our safeties were the weakest part of our defense in 2017. They were often isolated and targeted in coverage.
OP is essentially asking, "Knowing that our safeties struggle in pass coverage, why not substitute a back-up corner like Brandon Watson at safety when possible?"
The general answer is because safeties also have run defense responsibilities and (I suspect) Watson probably wasn't better than Kinnel or Metellus in that aspect.
January 8th, 2018 at 3:29 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 4:11 PM ^
to substitute on obvious passing downs then maybe.
But to put a lightweight CB(s) back there and expect him to step up in run game defense is asking to get someone hurt imo.
I don't pretend to know anything deeper than Master Brown does and so I will step back into my cornfields and let the man do his job.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:45 PM ^
We were known for running a 3-3-5
January 8th, 2018 at 4:16 PM ^
It is expected that safeties be capable of covering WRs 1on1 in high level college football. Delano Hill was really good at it, but we've seen Kinnel and Metellus get burned pretty badly multiple times this season, including some balls that were dropped or over thrown.
So while leaving 3 safeties on the field (I'm including Hudson) is the norm, yes it was... annoying(?) when, in obvious passing downs, all 3 of them were left on the field instead of bringing in Thomas and Watson.
Problem is, if you bring in 4 CBs, then your run support will be lacking unless the 3rd and 4th CB are willing to get their noses up in the run game. Plus, you'd take out 1 of the guys whose job it is to get everyone lined up correctly.
So while bringing in another CB could eleviate the pass defense issues, it doesn't solve all of the problems. Getting the safeties to a point where they can cover is the end goal.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:44 PM ^
And I think the DB recruiting reflects this: tall, rangy guys who can cover to varying degrees but whose "fight" will be discovered and developed in practice. This is to provide the versatility that Coach Brown wants so that the defense isn't dictated to by tempo and personnel packages.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^
Alas, Keith Washington.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:46 PM ^
The only thing I can see is that he was looking down the line past this year and saw his playing time fading. He sure would have had a chance this year to solidify himself like Watson has done though
January 8th, 2018 at 6:17 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 8:00 PM ^
And I think our CBs were so good this year that it made the safeties (and maybe McCray) look worse in coverage than they actually are. Anytime we'd get burned in the passing game it seemed to be Kinnel, Metellus, or McCray, so it gave the impression that they were a weak link in that regard.
January 8th, 2018 at 6:39 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 7:15 PM ^
What does that mean?
January 8th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
January 8th, 2018 at 9:41 PM ^
My theory is that we all neg each other so much because the constant pain football season brings has jaded everyone into being the internet equivilent of grumpy old men. This site is also full of people who think they are funny. I often neg people who have a ton of upvotes and upvote people getting negged to death.The mob rule of this site can be funny but it also wears on you. Contrarian viewpoints should be welcomed, not attacked.
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