Brown’s defense

Submitted by Matte Kudasai on
I love playing all man coverage, but if that’s the case should we be playing more corner types and less safeties since Metellus and Kinnel aren’t great cover guys? Would it be crazy to have 4 or 5 corners out there? Lavert, Long, Ambry, St. Juste and Sims?
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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 2:11 PM ^

I don't have inside information, but it would be insane not to bring Watson back.  If we don't, you can bring this up and I'll totally admit I was wrong.

But man, you can't have enough corners with all the WR formations that teams play and he played really well this year

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pescadero

January 8th, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^

Just because the team wants him back, and doesn't give him the "5th year handshake"... doesn't mean he comes back.

 

They wanted Blake Countess back.. but he left.

 

The player has some say in the decision also - it isn't completely up to whether the coaches want a player back or not.

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 2:28 PM ^

That's true.  I took the comment as we wouldn't be inviting him back, so that's what I was addressing.  Note the post I responded to said "Is Watson getting a fifth year."

But you're right, he is free to go assuming he has his degree.  Usually though that happens for players who aren't going to play and Watson would play.

But you're right, he may want to start at a MAC or equivalent school and play all the time even if he's going to play half the plays or so here

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 2:50 PM ^

Question to the site veterans. 

I'm new to the site.  I set up my account a little over a month ago.  But I've really only been posting the last week.

I don't get all the constant negging on the site.  Like this post, why would anyone neg me for saying we would certainly want Watson back?  I'm referring to the post "Watson is coming back for sure" a couple posts up.

It's definitely not me, I see posts constantly that are negged where I see zero reason to have neg them.  Sure, there are some where I totally get it.

It happens to a degree on every site with negative rep, but I've never seen one like this site, the negative repping is constant and everywhere.

I'm trying to understand.  I don't care about the rep, it doesn't really mean anything.  But I'd like to understand better how people on the site think

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^

Yes, and as I said I see it on all sites to a degree.  However, it's way more here than I've ever seen on any other site.  There are two things that stand out to me, and this is as compared to other sites:

1) The constant negging of people for no reason at all.  Posts that just aren't offensive in any way even if you disagree with them

2) The constant negging of pro-Michigan views on a Michigan fan site by people with Michigan logos who claim things like to have season tickets

Again, yes, I agree it happens on all sites.  But I see it way more here than other sites and I just want to understand why

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Mp1228

January 9th, 2018 at 9:42 AM ^

I feel your pain but that’s just the way it is. I’ve been reading mgoblog for years, reading comment threads and everything, and didn’t even make a profile until this past year. Even now I don’t comment very much, but when I do I proofread about 10 times. The issue is, obviously there’s stupid internet assholes on here like everywhere else, but the rest pride ourselves on our football knowledge quite a bit. I personally don’t downvote often, but the most downvoted posts are always the ones that show the poster didn’t do their homework or just don’t comprehend football at a high level. I’ve said before, this isn’t espn or bleacher report, it’s an in depth analysis of Michigan sports, primarily football obviously. It tends to attract more die hard, knowledgeable fans than casual ones. Like i said, I feel your pain. But it’s a small price to pay in my opinion, as it’s by far the best source of Michigan football information/news/discussions on the web.

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^

I know you're just being nice as well.  I am just asking though.  I just wonder when I'm reading through posts and I keep seeing what look like totally innocuous posts getting negged.  I just wondered if anyone had any insights to the crowd here.

Of course I do realize most people aren't doing that

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Reader71

January 8th, 2018 at 3:12 PM ^

1. People are often mean. 2. People are particularly mean after a mediocre season. 3. People are particularly mean when you write mean things about the players or coaches — especially the players. 4. People are particularly mean when your post is just a question — this isn’t really a place where we like to just muse. Now, had you made a post with pictures of plays, charts, percentages of completions against particular defenses or coverages or players, you would have hundreds of upvotes. 5. People are relentlessly hostile to posters who bring up mgopoints. I suggest creating dozens of secondary and tertiary accounts so that you can upvote yourself. Bonus points for talking to your other accounts, and bonus bonus for doing it in an obscure thread about like refs or something so people don’t notice. Bonus bonus bonus for gimmick accounts. We love those.

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^

I just want to understand the site better.  I've said that over and over.  Why do you need to be a dick about that?

1) I don't "constantly" bring up points.  This is the first and only time I ever did. And it will be the last

2) Also FYI, I get negged for defending the coaches and players way more than I do for criticizing them.  I never personally criticize any Wolverine

I've had enough of this though.  Thank you for those who gave me a thoughtful answer.

You, not so much

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Reader71

January 8th, 2018 at 3:29 PM ^

I ask that you reread my post. It’s a list of the things that get people negged, and I wrote it because you seem to genuinely want to understand the board better. I thought it was really thoughtful, and I posted in in totally good faith. I didn’t accuse you of anything; I don’t know that I’ve ever read one of your posts. But I will give one criticism now — read carefully. On here and everywhere. That way you can avoid misunderstandings.

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^

From your post.

"I suggest creating dozens of secondary and tertiary accounts so that you can upvote yourself. Bonus points for talking to your other accounts, and bonus bonus for doing it in an obscure thread about like refs or something so people don’t notice. Bonus bonus bonus for gimmick accounts. We love those."

I asked about negging and why people do that here.  I didn't ask how to build up points.  I wasn't taking it that way, but this is very clear.  Particularly starting with "I suggest"

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MGoGrendel

January 8th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^

Some people have developed "fans" that will neg whatever the person posts.  Say Honest Abe, for example, posts a picture of cute puppies.  At this point in his journey, he would get 5 negs (at least).  That's how we roll.

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Sam1863

January 8th, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^

This^^^. A lot of the votes are based on whether the voter is pro/anti the comment, as they should be.

But there are plenty that are simply personality based - they fall into the category of "Your very presence on this board pisses me off, so I'm going to neg everything you post. You could post the Declaration of Independence on the 4th of July, and I'd still hit the red triangle."

To be fair, those people are a minority on this blog, but often, they're a very vocal minority.

I've been part of this blog for over three years. I learned early on that there were two requirements: A love of Michigan football, and a thick skin. And sometimes, it helps me to remember what Bill Murray said in "Meatballs":

"It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter!"

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

After claiming to not care about points, you went up and negged every one of my posts.  I only negged the post you wrote this:

"I suggest creating dozens of secondary and tertiary accounts so that you can upvote yourself. Bonus points for talking to your other accounts, and bonus bonus for doing it in an obscure thread about like refs or something so people don’t notice. Bonus bonus bonus for gimmick accounts. We love those."

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Reader71

January 8th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^

I didn’t neg any of your posts. Take the advice of Moleskyn and don’t worry about it, or else you run the risk of doing this kind of thing. It’s just a thing on the internet. Neg me, don’t care. I pretty much only neg people who speak ill of Lloyd Carr. And people who don’t agree with me politically. No politics!

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:50 PM ^

We're good then.  I have nothing bad to say about Lloyd Carr and I hate politics on sports boards whether I agree or disagree with what is said.  Politics is everywhere, there has to be some places to get away from it, like a Michigan board

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Longballs Dong…

January 8th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^

I assume you're responding to Reader71, but I didn't think he was being a dick (sarcastic, sure), I thought it was exactly right.  I don't see many negs for you.  The OP got blasted but you don't appear to be the OP.  Here's why the OP got blasted, in my opinion at least:

1. The title says nothing informative.  People like a clean board so they can scan quickly.

2. The OP brings nothing to his own question.  As mentioned, it would be nice if there was an analysis of current formations or differences in players that might make a 5 back scheme better. 

3. I think he's trying to take a shot at our safeties by basically saying we should get them off the field for some other unproven names.  He wants Ambry, St Juste and Sims over experienced guys like Kinnel and Mettelus?  Why? He must think they are doing a bad job, but can he point to anything?  What might we lose by not using traditional safeties and instead going with all corners?  Those are different skill sets and different players. 

4. People don't like posts that appear as though you know more than one of the best coaches on our team (and in the country).  What can we do about this?  Should we call Don Brown and tell him he should try playing freshman corners as safeties?  It's a futile post with no info.  No one here knows if that would be better other than to say, "most teams use a safety or two and that seems to be standard at every level of football, I don't know why it would be better to remove that position." 

5. As Reader pointed out, if there is a case to be made that tall, lanky corners make better safeties than our current safeties, then you need to bring that to us not ask us to do that obscure homework.  That's like saying our running backs aren't good so let's replace them with WRs like DPJ and Martin.  Oh, ok, but why?  Because they are fast?  Are they any good at the position?  Do they know anything about playing RB?  Can they pick up a blitz?  Why are we even talking about this?  Maybe we should replace our entire OL with WRs because reasons. 

Seriously not trying to be too much of a dick but I can't believe you can read that OP and think it's a solid post.

 

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^

I wasn't calling him a dick over that, it was apparently a misunderstanding over part of his post he meant as a joke.  All's good.

On the OP, I agree with you, it's terrible.  It wasn't the OP that I wondered why people were negging, it's all the posts I see that aren't inflamatory or even disagreeable that people neg.

You wrote a lot of good points, thanks!

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Longballs Dong…

January 8th, 2018 at 4:25 PM ^

You can assume any innocuous comment that is overly down voted is likely due to that person's reputation. There is a lot of in-fighting on here lately and that can definitely spill into other threads. For example, Maizen or Wolverine Devotee can't make a single comment with out being down voted. That's just life around here. Comment all you want but if you're posting a new board topic, try to include some thought and content or have the decency to do a quick google search first.

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 4:12 PM ^

... I didn't ask about "points."  I asked about negging.  Which is saying "I don't like this post."  Being new to the site, I want to understand better why people neg so many seemingly innocuous posts here.  Some interesting points in the discussion, but I didn't get any clarity on the question from it.

I won't be starting any more discussions on the topic

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kaz

January 8th, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^

I remember a couple, but I don't remember that.  I remember Hill and Long getting burned a couple times too.  I remember some really good plays as well from Watson.  For sure I don't want him starting over Hill or Long, but the depth is needed

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reshp1

January 8th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

The guy opposite the Viper will probably remain a box safety type guy so the defense can flip strength without having to switch guys around. If you look at guys we've recruited recently like JKP, the other guy probably will be more like a 3rd corner. 

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Jibbroni

January 8th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

Yes, yes and yes. I believe the staff is heading that way. Long tall corners who also are good in run stopping. Also, Ambry is a freak and should serve as a good option fer nickel this year. JMarick needs seasoning but can see him getting there too. Mettulus and Kinnel are good but not rangy enough

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Lancer

January 8th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

Both safties were pretty good against the run. I think you give a lot of that up with playing corners every where. They were also first year starters and did a decent job. Hopefully they take some steps forward in 2018.

To your point, the staff is recruiting a bunch of corners this class and will convert a few of them into safties in college.

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