Littlefurrybuddha

February 7th, 2021 at 11:20 PM ^

I don't have strong feelings for Tom Brady as a person one way or the other.  He's made his mistakes-broke it off with the mom of his kid to move on to someone else, probably a Trump supporter-but also seems to be a mostly decent human being in general.  If you are hating on everyone who has made mistakes and fallen short of perfection, then it's clear you have no friends.  Not going to downvote you, just wondering why you feel THIS strongly about Brady.

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CompleteLunacy

February 8th, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

I mean mock it all you want, there's absolutely a conversation to be had on where Brady stands up against GOATs from different sports. When you have 3 more rings than the next highest for a QB, and more than any single franchise in the whole league...that absolutely puts you in the conversation. 

 

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2morrow

February 7th, 2021 at 10:51 PM ^

Both. The fact that Henson kept starting and Brady had to be inserted to make the comeback.

However, I certainly would not claim to have been smart enough to know that Brady was going to become the GOAT. I think that is inarguable. He's done it with bad defenses and great defenses, with great receivers and a patchwork receiving corp, with no running game or a good running game, in a bad weather location, healthy and with injuries. He is not all that athletic, doesn't have the greatest arm, but maybe reads defenses better than anyone ever.

Seven Super Bowls, I would venture to say that it is a record that may never be broken.

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stephenrjking

February 7th, 2021 at 11:00 PM ^

Henson never started in 1999. Brady started every game, and Henson played second quarters. Henson hit a bomb td late in the first half against MSU, which prompted Carr to keep him in after halftime, but the offense ground to a halt while the Plexico Burress / Nick Saban MSU team kept scoring points, which brought Brady back in for a furious but ultimately futile comeback attempt.

One can argue that maybe Michigan can stay in the game against MSU if Brady comes back out there, but it’s far from obvious; Brady was clearly excellent at roaring back from deficits, but combine Carr’s notorious reluctance to open the throttle on the passing game with MSU’s genuine excellence that year and it’s no sure thing at all.

The other loss was the next game to Illinois, which was a stupid game and not really an issue with QB play either way. Michigan gagged away a huge lead after sending Anthony Thomas to the locker room with a minor ding that he could have played through if Carr didn’t think the game was already in hand. Brady still tried to bring the team back, and then he was nails the rest of the year.

Carr handled the Brady/Henson thing about as well as he could have. 

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Eng1980

February 7th, 2021 at 11:38 PM ^

Mostly agree but as a person that leans strongly to numbers such as 5th year in program versus 2nd year in program I didn't see where Henson ever earned equal time while on the field.  In the Syracuse game, Henson gets a completion for a first down that started by bouncing of the Syracuse defender's hands and then there was screen dump that Syracuse forgot to cover so maybe that was QB selling the deep pass but I never saw where Henson deserved to be on the field over Brady.

I do recognize that I don't see what the coaches see in practice.  (I was at that MSU game and following the game I had no appetite while my MSU brother gorged on steak.)

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stephenrjking

February 7th, 2021 at 11:58 PM ^

It was a tense QB battle. I felt at the time that Brady had better command of the offense, his experience overcoming Henson’s superior physical attributes. Henson was no slouch, but Brady moved the ball better, and the fact that Brady wound up usually being the guy to take the field in the third quarter backed that up.

Carr had two good QB options, but it seems clear to me that part of his goal was to keep Henson engaged on the roster. And I think that choice was eminently justifiable. Henson was terrific in 2000 and remains the last Michigan QB to win in Columbus, and the team would have been elite if he had come back in 01.

One might argue that it was a mistake to put all the eggs in the Henson basket with Navarre not being ready in 01, but that’s the train Michigan was already riding in 1999 and Carr kept the train on the tracks. 

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2morrow

February 8th, 2021 at 7:17 PM ^

Stephen - you are correct - I misspoke. I was watching the espn show last night prior to the super bowl on Brady's career. Brady started games, Henson was guaranteed the second quarter and then Carr said he would decide who to play after that. I thought they made several references to the fact that Brady had to bail us out more than a few times because we had fallen behind.

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shoes

February 7th, 2021 at 11:23 PM ^

Henson did not start a single game in the two seasons that he and Tom were on the team together-not a single one. He also played the vast majority of the non mop-up snaps at QB during the 2 years- 80 percent or more.

geez-even Mich fans keep pushing the false narrative that Brady essentially platooned with Henson- he didn't. Look it up!

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stephenrjking

February 8th, 2021 at 12:05 AM ^

Yeah, first half of the season only. And he was clearly the better QB. 

*he did get subbed out for Henson at Penn State, but that was a brilliant moment where Brady feigned injury, hobbled off the field in apparent agony, forcing Henson to come on the field... for a play that turned out to be old QB throwback trick play, with Henson on the field for his superior speed. Brady loped back on the field in perfect health one play later. 

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