Brady Hoke under fire
"What was reported to have happened should never happen," Hoke said. "Ever. It shouldn't happen to anyone. What has been important to us is that anyone who violates or violated the law or university policies, they'll be held accountable."
August 29th, 2022 at 9:48 PM ^
What about Brady Hoke?
August 29th, 2022 at 9:51 PM ^
He pulled a Brendan Gibbons with the Punt God
August 29th, 2022 at 9:59 PM ^
I think this is being hinted at, but I really hope it's not the case here.
August 30th, 2022 at 2:54 AM ^
Exactly, like Hoke is going to support a rape culture...
August 30th, 2022 at 9:17 AM ^
Can't tell if this is snark, either way terrible.
August 30th, 2022 at 10:10 AM ^
Yes, some topics should not be joked about.
August 30th, 2022 at 6:08 AM ^
If we know anything about Hoke, he learns from his mistakes and doesn't repeat them and certainly doesn't repeat them over and over in increasingly worse fashion.
August 30th, 2022 at 6:14 AM ^
Clap, Clap, Clap
August 30th, 2022 at 3:43 PM ^
More like sdsu immediately started an investigation and then the sdpd said to stop as it could mess up their investigation and the names of the accused weren’t even known by the university until this civil suit. Can’t exactly blame the coach or university when they were doing what the cops told them to do.
August 29th, 2022 at 9:51 PM ^
I didn't think Taco Bell was part of the TB12 Program.
Edit: Flippant comment regarding the typo. Not intended to make light of the subject matter.
August 29th, 2022 at 9:53 PM ^
I haven't seen anything substantive suggesting Hoke knew anything about this situation. It seems like there is more criticism of the way the university handled the investigation/delayed its own investigation.
August 29th, 2022 at 11:05 PM ^
SDSU held a presser, the AD and Hoke addressed the media reading scripted responses, and walked out after. 15 mins later, after realizing this was extremely insensitive (putting it mildly), the AD reproached the podium to field question…
August 29th, 2022 at 11:38 PM ^
Yikes. Yea, Brady and the AD do not get the benefit of the doubt in this situation. The details are fucking GRIM. University knew about it for a long time now and did nothing. This is so gross.
August 30th, 2022 at 12:02 AM ^
You would think after all the scandals these institutions would learn…
August 30th, 2022 at 4:58 AM ^
I'm always a little skeptical when the civil suit comes before the criminal charges.
August 30th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^
What’s being said to the public from her side is disgusting.
They seem to be waging a public campaign. Is it because they felt they were getting nowhere? Is it to leverage the civil suit?
These cases are truly just awful searching for the truth. I’m sure we all are hoping for justice.
August 30th, 2022 at 10:27 AM ^
It would seem like an open and shut case if she was truly underage, even if the players say she consented. Something isn't right.
August 30th, 2022 at 7:58 PM ^
Something isn’t right for sure.
I do think a 17 year old and 19/20 year old having consensual sex is a far different thing than drugging a girl and assaulting her for hours against her will while she comes in and out of consciousness.
August 30th, 2022 at 11:12 AM ^
I think that's more an indictment of the criminal system in a lot of cities than anything this individual is doing. She went to the hospital afterwards and sat for a rape kit (which is incredibly invasive) and then spoke to police and even recorded a conversation with the punter wherein he told her to get an STD test. I'm not sure how long it takes for detective to investigate the matter but they've had months to do so and still haven't announced whether or not they're planning on filing charges, which seems like a pretty long time given the fact that, again, they have a clear evidence of there at least being a sexual encounter as well as (I assume) a plethora of DNA evidence from the rape kit.
I see the civil suit being filed as more a push by the woman to get the investigation back into gear.
August 30th, 2022 at 11:23 AM ^
something big is 'off', and i have no idea what it is. SDPD would investigate this in nothing flat. DNA doesn't take a year to get back. having sex with an underage person is basically what is called a strict liability crime - if the act happened, you're (euphemistically) guilty and not knowing the age isn't a defense, and at that point you'd generate a criminal filing.
and as you point out, going through what is called a 'SANE' (sexual assault nurse exam) exam would be just miserable for any victim.
i would imagine that the young lady involved would be able to FOIA her own reports, even if the at-large public might be barred from getting the reports for other reasons.
August 30th, 2022 at 12:31 PM ^
Sounds like that is more a product of the police and university not doing their damn jobs than anything the victim did in this case from other details released.
August 30th, 2022 at 7:28 AM ^
What did the podium do to earn the AD's disapproval?
August 30th, 2022 at 8:55 AM ^
It's true. But hopefully they'll soon reach a rapprochement.
August 30th, 2022 at 8:48 AM ^
From what I've read it appears that SDSU knew about the criminal investigation around the time of the incident but didn't initiate their own Title IX one because the SD police asked them to wait. The insinuation is that Hoke and the AD likely knew there had been an incident involving some players at the very least.
This is different than the Gibbons situation in that the inciting incident occured before Hoke ever came to UM, but there's now a pattern wherein Hoke and his AD sort of ignore sexual assault situations surrounding valuable players until they are forced to act.
August 30th, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^
It's different from the Gibbons case in that the student misconduct board was unable to proceed with their case because the victim refused to cooperate. It wasn't until late in the first semester of Gibbons's that the Title IX instructions were updated to require the school to conduct hearings even without witness cooperation. Gibbons was found to have violated the student conduct code (not a crime) and. when his appeal was denied. kicked out of school.
Comparing what this woman allegedly suffered to Gibbons's violation of the code for student conduct does her a grave mis-service, as does comparisons between Hoke's failure to kick Gibbons off the team for a conduct code violation and his failure to at least suspend players credibly accused of the crime of rape.
The university is also to blame for failing to exercise due diligence and conduct a Title IX investigation. They could coordinate with the SD police to ensure that, for instance, witnesses were interviewed by both agencies simultaneously, but the university had to obligation to its students to identify and expel sexual predators at the earliest opportunity.
August 30th, 2022 at 7:54 PM ^
My memory is fuzzy, but in 2018 didn’t a Circuit Court rule the UM processes being used were illegal? Would that have meant Gibbons and others that received discipline under an illegal process been able to sue the University? Perhaps that happened? Because Gibbons was disciplined under a process that was ruled illegal, it is unfair to assume he deserved his punishment. As we know, the University changed the policy because of the court ruling.
August 30th, 2022 at 9:41 AM ^
Hoke was asked if he knew that Araiza and the others specifically were involved and said, "I was not aware." Is that better or worse than being "not fully aware?"
August 30th, 2022 at 12:10 PM ^
Not being aware is no defense. He and others can say they were not aware but it's their responsibility to be aware. No excuses, no disownership, no bullshit. When it comes to sexual assault, and for that matter sexual harassment of any kind, ignorance is guilt IMHO.
August 29th, 2022 at 9:53 PM ^
Fire in the Hole?
August 29th, 2022 at 10:55 PM ^
There’s ointment for that, please see your local pharmacist
August 30th, 2022 at 6:08 AM ^
One morning in the Marketing Dept. at Bristol Myers Squibb:
Intern: "Hey, boss, I got a great name for our new hemorrhoid cream!"
Boss: "Sit down, Brandon."
August 30th, 2022 at 12:50 PM ^
Whose Brandon....
August 29th, 2022 at 10:04 PM ^
Unfortunate title typo considering the subject matter of this post.
August 29th, 2022 at 10:05 PM ^
Whale, there's been some accountability and some of that. And we teach toughness in that area. When the tough are going you gotta a be the accountable guy in there. We gotta, ah, execute, the, uh, toughness, and you can hear that some. When the players are doing that you know they're being the young men certainly that we want, ah, representative of the program. And uh, there's no place for the type of gang or any of the sexualz, uh, misconduct. We don't have some that, we certainly can't have it, not in our, ah, programs. - Brady Hole
August 30th, 2022 at 8:48 AM ^
Nice effort, but need to add about 10 repetitions of "there's no question."
Carr :: "tremendous"
Hoke :: "there's no question"
August 29th, 2022 at 10:15 PM ^
Hoke was unaware if he was fully aware.
August 30th, 2022 at 8:46 AM ^
Hoke seemed incredibly nervous during the presser.
August 31st, 2022 at 11:31 AM ^
Shaking those legs
August 30th, 2022 at 9:43 AM ^
Maybe if he had his headset on someone would have told him.
August 29th, 2022 at 10:25 PM ^
Next thing you know he’ll be selling jerseys in East Lansing
August 29th, 2022 at 10:39 PM ^
The sad part is that the University has seemingly been dragging its feet for months regarding this accusation from the accuser/victim. Not a good look at all for anyone.
August 29th, 2022 at 11:20 PM ^
Agreed, this is right out of the Louisville playbook only worse, We don't know & we don't want to know.
August 29th, 2022 at 11:03 PM ^
So.... Brady Hoke to Nebraska?
You have to have your Hoke after your RichRod.
August 29th, 2022 at 11:46 PM ^
“I was not aware.”
August 29th, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^
In fairness, it's hard to know exactly what to think re Hoke's role when the "investigation" seems so murky. There haven't been charges, right?
August 30th, 2022 at 8:16 AM ^
Nope, just the civil case.
August 30th, 2022 at 12:34 PM ^
I mean it's ongoing but they essentially have at minimum hard evidence of statuary rape. This sounds like a case that has been absolutely botched and ignored by the police and university.
August 30th, 2022 at 12:00 AM ^
I like Brady Hoke -- and from what I've heard, his players (including at Michigan) have always adored him. Yes, he was overmatched at Michigan, but I still believe he's a good guy. Hope it doesn't turn out he knew about this and turned away. That would, obviously, affect my opinion of him.
August 30th, 2022 at 12:05 AM ^
I realize I'm going to probably get massively downvoted for this, but it sounds like San Diego police asked the athletic dept not to get involved, which is perfectly reasonable. The AD basically said that the cops told them not to investigate because it could have a negative impact on the police's own investigation. I don't see anything wrong with that.
"They didn't act fast enough." From the athletic dept's perspective, a lot of this sounded like gossip and hearsay until the civil suit actually dropped. How were they supposed to know what is and what's not true? What, are you supposed to just cut and expel a player (or group of players) the moment you hear a rumor? That sounds like it could easily backfire.