Brady Hoke Retiring

Submitted by jimmyshi03 on November 13th, 2023 at 10:12 AM

https://x.com/chrisvannini/status/1724081373978275946?s=46&t=XkWAKdcheS-H4uqZ-PnX5g

Has been rumored for a bit as SDSU is not playing well and is not filling their new stadium, and this has been talked about as maybe a shout the door. 
I do wonder if this might be a Jay gig, especially since he grew up there. It’d be weird to be replaced by a father and a son in different jobs.

Cousin Larry

November 13th, 2023 at 10:15 AM ^

Despite his shortcomings as a coach, he loves the hell out of the school and the football program.

 

I hope he’s invited back as an honorary captain at a game someday soon.

RockinLoud

November 13th, 2023 at 11:20 AM ^

I would say the failure was showing OSU a formation, OSU calls time out, then coming right back out in the same exact formation and OSU knew for certain the ball was going to Dileo. Borges blew that one by making an elementary level tactical error, especially when they apparently had a killer 2-pt play they used in the bowl game. Coaching malpractice on that call. 

DonAZ

November 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

Well, I wish him the very best.  He's about a year older than me, so while he's 'of retirement age,' he's not really that old.  If he's healthy and otherwise still interested in coaching, he'd make a fine defensive line coach for some program ... all the pressures of HC gone, and just be a recruiter (which he's good at) and focus on the positioning coaching area he seems to really like.

Carpetbagger

November 13th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^

I like my wife. Those first few months of Covid when they closed the schools (she's a teacher) were great. I have hobbies, could add some back I have quit, and have never had enough time in the day to do all the stuff I want to do, plus do those damn work and sleep things.

I look forward to retirement and it cannot get here soon enough. I'd quit working now if I didn't enjoy vacations that don't involve sitting in my back yard watching the rabbits graze.

lhglrkwg

November 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

I suspect this is "retired".

I remain dumbfounded to this day that we actually hired him to be head coach here. Nice guy, good recruiter, good position coach, not a good head coach

rob f

November 13th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^

Counterpoint: who here would be optimally positioned for success while being excessively micromanaged by a Dave Brandon type boss?

I still believe that, while Brady Hoke wasn't the best choice to be Michigan's head coach, he would have been much more successful if he had been able to forge his own path.

dragonchild

November 13th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^

Fact:  RichRod and Brady Hoke were put in terrible situations and basically set up to fail.

Fact:  It wouldn't have worked out anyway.

Not that you said it but just to head off the twits who keep insisting it's one or the other, they're not mutually exclusive.

One of the issues I've noticed over the years is that you can't hire just any coach because Michigan doesn't get the same treatment as a SDSU or West Virginia.  Whether you have a conventional approach (Hoke) or a gimmick (RichRod), you can have success if no one looks your way.  You can take the world by surprise.  You can have a flaw or two and get away with it.  The minute you arrive at Michigan, every B1G program has already pumped an entire team of grad assistants full of meth and had them spend two weeks without a break going over every single thing you did for the last ten years.  You're not even off the plane and over a dozen head coaches have already got life-size photos of you in their office doing those horror movie things where they cut out the head and stick a knife into the wall at your chest or something.  As we've seen beyond a shadow of doubt over the last few weeks, everyone HATES Michigan, to deranged extremes.  That don't happen at Ball State or Glenville State.

You can be a B+ HC somewhere else but not here.  Unfortunately for these coaches, the ghost follows you out the door, so even after they leave, they don't have success elsewhere.  Those books by those meth-addled assistants have been written, and now haunt them everywhere.

Robbie Moore

November 13th, 2023 at 6:50 PM ^

Been thinking about the Peter Principle a lot recently. Brady is an excellent example. Among football coaches there are many. A truncated list:

Frames
Matt Patricia. Runner up: Josh McDaniels. Second runner up: Charlie Weis.
Scott Frost
Mario Cristobol
Josh Gattis
Brian Ferentz, though he’s been promoted two levels too high
7 L Mel
Darrell Hazell. Or was it Jim Colletto?
Bobby Williams




 

michengin87

November 13th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^

This is who Lloyd Carr wanted.  I still blame micromanager extraordinaire Dave Brandon for his poor performance here.  His records at SDSU and Ball State were strong.  He took his last 2 teams at Ball State to bowls and finished 12-1 in 2008.  Then, came back to rebuild SDSU from 4-8 to finish with a ranked team the following season and back to a bowl again last year.

Best of luck to Brady!

Eng1980

November 13th, 2023 at 5:57 PM ^

What I see throughout the Hoke story he does well if he has a good QB but doesn't seem to be terribly good at recruiting or developing QBs.  Denard was an RB good enough to play QB while Devin was a WR.  Many forget how many times RichRod benched Devin while trying to develop him.

There are a lot coaches perceived as successful only had a few outstanding years while maintaining an average record except for years with a phenomenal QB or the occasional senior heavy team.  If RichRod left Chad Henne #2 as a freshman recruit for Hoke, I suspect Hoke could be retiring from UofM today.

MGolem

November 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

Just saw an article about Manny Diaz looking for a head coaching gig. Seems like a Miss St or SDSU is about right considering his resume. Would love to see Franklin have to replace both coordinators in one season.

WestQuad

November 13th, 2023 at 10:18 AM ^

Congrats to Coach Hoke. He struggled at Michigan, but I always liked him and rooted for him.

I think Jay has been a great coach for us by all accounts, but doesn't he need to be a coordinator for a couple of years? 

PopeLando

November 13th, 2023 at 10:18 AM ^

He's 65, which is like 50 in Head Coach Years. Just hitting his stride.

$1 says this was a mutually-agreed-upon graceful exit for guy who just isn't getting it done. $1 also says that he ends up in a coaching gig next year somewhere.