Big Ten extends suspension of all organized team activities through June 1
Not a huge surprise, but at least there's now a more firm date before the next re-evaluation...
The thing that sucks about suspended all activities until June only to re-open fall camp is that Michigan losses out on valuable practice time and gaining experience. The off-season is so huge for this team.
When early-season struggles ensure, and they will, it's another excuse given to Harbaugh for the lack of cohesiveness and execution while ignoring the rest of the college football world stuck in similar scenarios.
Hopefully, the fall camp hype is actually legit this year.
The problem is, these activities are not optional for student athletes. It's fine to let loose the general population's restrictions to be out and about, because you can choose not to participate, these guys can't.
It's still not a great idea to bring groups of people together yet. I'm sure these guys all being young and in peak health have almost zero risk, but nevertheless they don't get a choice. Not to mention the coaches are quite often in higher risk age groups, plus a lot of them aren't the healthiest people in the universe, given their single focus lifestyle.
On the flip side, all teams are in the same boat. This is especially difficult for teams facing coaching transitions, like MSU.
...and Washington, who promoted their DC to HC and hired a new OC (who was terrible at Penn State). Loss of spring practices is weirdly Advantage Michigan for the opener.
Everyone's in the same boat. OSU and MSU lose just as much practice time as Michigan. In fact, this hurts MSU even more, because Tucker is getting no time whatsoever to install his system.
Assuming there's a season, Michigan will likely look pretty rusty coming out of the gate. But I wouldn't be surprised if the first few weeks of the season feature some extremely ugly games. I bet you'll see some games with both teams combining for 5-10 turnovers.
I was wondering if you were going to say 5-10 first downs but that seems a little low even for a rusty team.
People are already using that excuse for recruiting. "Recruits cant visit right now and Jim cant go out to visit recruits" yet Ohio State is in the same position and can still get 4 and 5 star players to commit.
To be fair, you can't sanitize an entire campus for a visit but you can very effectively sanitize a bag of cash...
Dude...are you still bitching about UM not recruiting on the same level as OSU? Have you checked their record over the last decade plus?
It would take a minor miracle (or upset victory or two) for UM or damn near ANY team to recruit at their level.
And that's not an excuse that fucking reality.
to be fair, michigan isn't even recruiting on Tennessee's level right now.. they are getting 5 stars left and right and high ranked 4 stars.. and they literally went down to the final minutes to beat an Indiana team we beat by 3 touchdowns..
Oh boy, here come all the posters with raging fear boners educating all us children about how football is done forever.
It is probably not happening this season.
People are not even having the same conversations right now as other people. Some are discussing testing, even though they are not really sure what the hell to do with it once they get it. Others are discussing antibodies, while antibody testing does not appear accurate and really doctors don't even really know what they means either, even if they are present. Some governers are opening economies with increasing cases and deaths, some governers are tightening guidelines amid plummeting cases and deaths. Some people are stocking up on food for a year, other people are booking vacations for over Thanksgiving. Some people cannot wait to take any vaccine that is released despite the "ludicrous speed" that would have to be employed for anything to be out soon and corresponding dangers, others would stay as far away from that needle as possible.
I say this not as a political statements, but the rhetoric on all sides of this thing has gotten so out of control that nobody can even agree on the basic framework of the discussion. There are some real imminent discussions that have to be had, and decisions that have to be made on front and center issues, schools, businesses, testing, etc. For football to have been a possibility, even without fans, society as a whole needed to be a lot further along on its "to do list" than we currently are. Last I heard, school districts were discussion "partitions" between school age children eating lunch. Like it or hate it, that does not sound promising for football at any level.
It must be the pattern on the pants
Good point...
With no national framework and instead every state setting its own rules how do you play football games/contact sports across state borders?
At least we'll have an excuse when we lose to OSU this year.
College football reportedly hoping to do a 10 game season with 9 conference games. Regional matchups will be prioritized. If football happens I highly doubt Michigan travels to Washington.
FWIW I don't see how it's even remotely possible to practice/play football unless on of three things happen:
1: We get a vaccine
2: We establish a clinically reliable and safe cure
3: We say collectively "fuck it, if he dies, he dies" and go back to life circa February, 2020.
If MLB can't figure out how to start the most socially distant sport of all how in the heck can the least socially distant sport begin?
The answers to this will not be black and white. It’s not shut everything vs. open everything. We cannot wait for a vaccine to resume a fair amount of activities – it’s going to take too long with a high chance of failure. A cure for the virus is also not a reasonable criteria. Since we can’t have 1 or 2 in the medium term does not mean the only option is #3. There is a good likelihood that we will get better treatments which will lower death and hospitalization rates. We will also get more testing and tracing. None of this will result in 100% safety from Covid-19 but can make it more manageable. If you want 100% safety you are out of luck.
The damn black and white arguments about this are not helpful
I mean, it is "remotely" possible...
Have everyone, including players, coaches, referees, etc. get tested. After the testing they are put in quarantine for 2 weeks. Afterwards, they can all interact, play, practice, etc. Everyone has to live in an isolated place with limited contact to outsiders and everyone is tested regularly.
Chances of that happening is remote, but it is possible.
Is this supposed to be read as "after they test positive" they are put in quarantine for two weeks?
Either way, this won't happen. This would be basically the NCAA conceding that the "Athlete" comes before the "Student" in Student-Athlete. If it isn't considered safe to have students on campus, it is not going to be safe enough to have athletes playing football.
If a season ends up being played, it will be a sloppy first few games to say the least. There will definitely be more wonky upsets than usual with the loss of practice reps, and will setup a bizzare narrative for the end of the season. The first half of the season might have a high-level backyard football game feel to it.
I may be mistaken, but I would think that you would need to start allowing team activities by mid-July in order to start the football season on time on September 3. I am assuming that teams will want about 8 weeks total for re-conditioning, classroom time, and on-the-field drills.
I'm not sure I see that happening, so either you have to shorten the practice time leading up to the season or you shorten the season...or both.
Sorry for the thread jack.
he following will contain questions around traveling to Northern LP Michigan the 1st week of June and what to expect given current restrictions.
16 guys are slated to travel North of Traverse City to play some golf, hit up some breweries and visit a casino. The trip will take place the 1st week of June, with everyone staying in a vacation rental house.
For those of you near Traverse City, do you feel small businesses will be open by then? If so, will a large group be able to interact in them? I know that no one knows the answers for sure, but curious to hear the thoughts of locals. If it were you, would you drive up? fly in?
Thanks for any responses.
Having been there recently, and following the situation in Michigan very closely, I would say that you will be able to play all of the golf you have scheduled, with carts, but that will likely be all. It depends on continued public buy in with the lock down stuff though. The information used to justify the lock downs and the continued moving of the goal posts is really eroding public confidence in local and state leaders. It may be that by June in Michigan most businesses will just open regardless of what "order" is in place at the time. Michigan is in a continuing declared "state of emergency" right now in political theater only, the order is highly dubious and likely unenforceable. Anyway, golf courses will be rocking and rolling. Aside from that it will likely be takeout and poker with the guys.
PS - vacation rentals are illegal right now, so that will have to be "off the books" so to speak.
The state of emergency is not political theater. It's mandated by every expert. It's theater only to the sort of idiotic snowflakes who scream about their "liberty" because, in order to save lives, they can't visit their vacation homes or fishing-gear stores for a few weeks.
Experts cannot declare a state of emergency, only elected officials can. The legislature did not authorize an extension of the state of emergency. The governor has extended it based on a different prior statue that deals with state and federal funding. If it goes to court, and it likely will if she tries to extend stay at home based on that statue, my guess is that it will not be upheld. Just my opinion though.
Political theater or incompetence? Our governor has refused to explain the criteria used to issue the inital orders and won't tell us the criteria she will use to end the orders. So how does no criteria lead you say "not political theater"? Every expert? Try the experts that the Governor chooses to consult? There are many experts and many published models that say that the curve has not been flattened whatsoever due to stay at home orders. Notice how all the curves keep changing?
How do you justify the following? I can drive to my summer home on the lake and use my kayak but I cannot go into my house while my neighbor on the lake can drive from Chicago and use their home but not the powerboat. At the same store, I can buy a gallon of milk but not a gallon of paint; a can of corn but not an envelop or corn seeds. I can cut grass but not pay someone to cut my grass. Experts? Good grief. Experts he says.
I guess this means no return trip to the CWS...
The doom sayers above make their case about getting a vaccine first, etc, etc, etc. Unofficial reports saying the SEC will open football practice around June 1st.
Can the B1G let this happen then fall behind? I'd love to see this because the B1G will be compelled to open up football practice sooner vs later.
Also heard that Purdue wants to allow students to return to campus for the start of the fall semester. If true, then other universities would follow suit in the B1G conference.
All of this is not settled about the future of college football starting in the fall. Albeit with no spectators. The B1G ADs as well as university presidents are having ongoing debates on all of this and we do not know the outcome at this time.
Your post brings up an interesting situation that is very likely. What does the NCAA do, if lets say, 40 states are open to the point that college football can be played and the other 10 are still under orders that would prevent teams in those states from being able to play.
Does the NCAA cancel the season for all teams or do they have a season with teams that are in the "open" states?
The NCAA has essentially zero ability to cancel regular season games in any sport.
They can revoke the certification of bowl games in football, they can cancel postseason tournaments in every other sport, but regular season games are surprisingly far outside the purview of the NCAA.
For regular season games, all the NCAA really gets to do is write the rule book, set limits on the number of games and set the start & end dates of the season. Now obviously they can set the maximum number of games this season to 0, but it depends on a majority vote of the schools and also opens up antitrust questions that they generally want to avoid opening.
Really, it's the conferences that have the most power here to make decisions, so you might find the SEC and the Pac 12 making different choices.
At a national level, the decision to open and / or restrict campus life will be all over the place by this Fall. Some universities (or states) may aim for a return to normalcy and fully reopen campuses; some may enact restrictive measures that limit social clustering; and, some may not open at all, opting to continue with remote learning.
How does the NCAA handle this inevitability and the subsequent variability? Is it an all-for-one model, in which nobody plays unless everybody plays? Do certain conferences or - even - individual universities branch off to hold their own contests? Are they permitted to do so, in accordance with NCAA bylaws?! Etc.
Next up will be fall.
It's going to be a very boring 2020.
I love the hypotheticals in this thread.
Its going to get really interesting when the second wave of this Covid virus runs in parallel with flu season.
If you think things are weird now...Just wait.
The "second wave" is wrought with assumptions. The first wave had a lot of faulty assumptions that had to be revised downward. What are these assumptions about this second wave? Maybe because it will be in conjunction with the onset of the seasonal flu. Again, an assumption being made. If in fact many people under the age of 40 are asymptomatic, then there should not be a problem if a second wave where to hit. Another mass shut down and stay at home order would be highly unlikely.
Is the assumption being made that there will be less testing or having no remedy available to make matters worse?
Bunch of bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Overhyped bullshit.
1. The deaths from covid 19 has dropped way down the last 5 days. It was the lowest since March 30th. The end of June is 60 days away. Lots of time on the clock for testing.
2. DMac is not green with his receivers nor the offensive system. Though the OL is green.
3. The heat of summer is going to kill this virus. Arid places have low numbers of cases. IMO
4. I'm going to believe because it keeps me sane!